Am I more likely to be a Capricorn or Aquarius Ascendant?

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I am still at odds with the right time of my chart. I know that I was born during the early hours (between 2 and 5) of the morning.


This is something that I am very interested in knowing due to the placements in Aquarius. Are they 12th house or 1st house natally?

I have included my chart to what would be if I have an Aquarius ascendent with Mars, Venus and the North Node as twelfth house placements. I am starting to doubt these placements, but could see how they might be natal. I can also see Aquarius being intercepted in the first house and having the same type of effect.

For whatever reason, this has kept me up tonight. I have altered my time of birth around and I can definitely see myself being natally a Capricorn or Aquarius ascendant. I am not sure of which one however, It would be a surprise to see that I have not had these "crucial" 12th house placements after all, and rather it being confused with dominate capricorn energies instead. A surprise indeed.


What can I do better my assumption of my correct time of birth? (being confuse with/which 12th house energies)

thank you

 

[The_Sundance_Kid]

Hello,

If I were you I would read up on progressions, especially what it means when the Ascendant and Midheaven progress into a new sign. For me these progressions were very noticeable. Similarly you can try to figure out when Mars or Venus progressed into your first house.

If you can try to pinpoint events in your life that correspond to those progressions you might get a more accurate birth time. I would also look at your Uranus transits - if you can pinpoint when you think Uranus was changing houses / conjuncting your asc. that might help you pinpoint a birth time, especially if the birth time you get from timing your Uranus transits matches the time you get from looking at your progressions. I would be careful using the same technique with Neptune though as I think Neptune transits are very nebulous and difficult to time, even with hindsight!

I would also think about your 11th house, as having a Capricorn Asc gives you a very different 11th house to having a an Aqua one.

If you cannot find any evidence of a progression occurring in your life, maybe you were born with an early Capricorn or Aqua asc. which has not changed signs yet.

Planets conjunct the asc. from the 12th house can cause 1st house / 12th house confusion.

Keep an open mind though as you might find future progressions / transits / synastry aspects will clarify things in the future.

 

[mdinaz]

I can help you with my rectification program - if you want, send me via PM 10 significant dates in your life - to within a couple of weeks - major events:
1. deaths of close family members that impacted you
2. births of children
3. first major job
4. major relocation (such as to another state, or going away to school)
5. graduations (high school, college)
6. first major relationship that had an impact on you
7. marriages
8. divorces
9. divorces of parents or when you were separated from them because of divorce

Get as close to the date as you can but within a couple weeks at most. With this we should be able to get it to within a half hour, and can refine it further from there.

 

[Sujay]

[My predictions are based on KP astrology]

I understand your confusion regarding this. Many people who are born at late ascendant or early ascendant should get the chart rectified. Also in these cases the astrologer has to first rectify by doing birth rectification before moving to the analysis/ prediction.

As per the inputs provided by you (the range of birth time) and as per the chart rectification done by me I can clearly state that your ascendant is Aquarius sign.

The ascendant being 2 degrees of Aquarius to be precise.

I am still at odds with the right time of my chart. I know that I was born during the early hours (between 2 and 5) of the morning.


This is something that I am very interested in knowing due to the placements in Aquarius. Are they 12th house or 1st house natally?

I have included my chart to what would be if I have an Aquarius ascendent with Mars, Venus and the North Node as twelfth house placements. I am starting to doubt these placements, but could see how they might be natal. I can also see Aquarius being intercepted in the first house and having the same type of effect.

For whatever reason, this has kept me up tonight. I have altered my time of birth around and I can definitely see myself being natally a Capricorn or Aquarius ascendant. I am not sure of which one however, It would be a surprise to see that I have not had these "crucial" 12th house placements after all, and rather it being confused with dominate capricorn energies instead. A surprise indeed.


What can I do better my assumption of my correct time of birth? (being confuse with/which 12th house energies)

thank you

 

[JUPITERASC]

I am still at odds with the right time of my chart. I know that I was born during the early hours (between 2 and 5) of the morning.

This is something that I am very interested in knowing due to the placements in Aquarius. Are they 12th house or 1st house natally?

I have included my chart to what would be if I have an Aquarius ascendent with Mars, Venus and the North Node as twelfth house placements. I am starting to doubt these placements, but could see how they might be natal. I can also see Aquarius being intercepted in the first house and having the same type of effect.

For whatever reason, this has kept me up tonight. I have altered my time of birth around and I can definitely see myself being natally a Capricorn or Aquarius ascendant. I am not sure of which one however, It would be a surprise to see that I have not had these "crucial" 12th house placements after all, and rather it being confused with dominate capricorn energies instead. A surprise indeed.

What can I do better my assumption of my correct time of birth? (being confuse with/which 12th house energies)

thank you

Physical appearance indications are important - there's interesting forty year research by RON BIPPUS which provided considerable data he has posted online along with illustrative photographs http://reocities.com/athens/delphi/1601/physical.html

BASIC STEPS
List major life events such as
academic rewards, degree, diplomas, exams passed
operations, hospital admissions of any kind, accidents,
relocation to a new home, relocation abroad,
marriages, divorces
births
deaths
starting first job
leaving old job
starting new job
anything important.

When reviewing transits for major events in life
as well as noting all aspects from transiting planets to the angles
remember to note in particular
aspects from all the rulers of the ASC/MC/IC/DESC
to other planets as well as to the angles themselves

If you focus on the seven visible planets to begin with, then you'll find that you have more than enough aspects to cope with - especially if you have many exact dates of events to check!

Btw exclude dates that are "give or take a couple of weeks" as being totally too inaccurate!

Specific dates for major events means the actual exact day as well as the precise time of the occurrence



(a) Health involves the physical body so examine transits to the ascendant, transits to the ascendant ruler and transits by the ascendant ruler to the angles/other planets on the specific day of any health issues

(b) divorce AND marriage BOTH involve transits to the Descendant, transits to the descendant ruler, and transits by the descendant ruler to the angles/other planets on the specific day of the decree nisi

(c) divorce AND marriage BOTH involve MC as well. So examine transits to MC and to MC ruler, as well as transits by MC ruler to any of the angles by conjunction, trine, square and/or opposition


By the way for those who are married then you can Rectify/Verify your Ascendant by Using Your Wedding Day Chart


During a wedding, particularly at the time the vows are spoken:


(a)

the Ascendant Ruler and the Ruler of Cusp Seven
must connect to the Natal Horizon DESC/ASC axis
because that is what a wedding is, astrologically!

(b)

On the wedding day
- Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars
must also connect to the Natal Horizon DESC/ASC axis

Why?

Venus and Mars
must connect in order to symbolise the 'Archetypal Lovers'

Sun and Moon
must connect in order to symbolise the 'Domestic Couple'
– now united and involved in 'house-keeping', child-bearing


Some of the ways the ASC/DESC rulers may connect to the Natal Horizon:


(1) Trine, sextile, square, opposition, conjunction

(2) Any ASC/DESC ruler conjunct the MC is considered to connect to the local horizon via the MC/IC AXIS

(3) I have noticed from my own personal observation, that the Midpoints of the transiting ASC/DESC rulers of the wedding date, frequently connect to the Natal Horizon.


An astrological friend who has since died told me they learned the technique to verify an ascendant while a student decades ago but never asked for payment for the information: I continue to pass the method on freely to others so that anyone may test it for themselves.

If it does not work for you then check out another method – there are plenty!


Focus on the basics when analyzing your data relating to specific dates and times of events:

(a) any planets on the angles, i.e. any planet conjunct, trine, square or opposing any angle.

(b) any ruler of any one of the four angles on any one of the angles. i.e. any ruling planet of any one of the four angles that is conjunct, trine, square or opposing any angle


Good idea to learn basic rectification, don't be put off by thinking it is 'too difficult/complicated/puzzling' - it is an interesting and rewarding exercise.

Have fun! What you are sleuthing for are :

(a) transiting planets close to or at the degree of your ascendant/descendant for the given time of birth

(b) transiting planets close to or at the degree of your MC/IC for the given time of birth

As you continue to focus on the seven visible planets and the degrees they occupy on the specific dates and times you have chosen
note in particular
IF on the same day a planet aspects by conjunction, opposition, square, sextile, trine:


(1) the approximate degree you currently have for the Ascendant

while another planet
on the same day
aspects by conjunction, opposition, square, sextile, trine:

(2) the approximate degree you currently have for the MC


Traditional ancient astrology planet domiciles for each ascendant are as follows:


Aries Ascendant = Mars
Taurus Ascendant = Venus
Gemini Ascendant = Mercury
Cancer Ascendant = Moon
Leo Ascendant = Sun
Virgo Ascendant = Mercury
Libra Ascendant = Venus
Scorpio Ascendant = Mars
Sagittarius Ascendant = Jupiter
Capricorn Ascendant = Saturn
Aquarius Ascendant = Saturn
Pisces Ascendant = Jupiter



Rectification is an ancient technique at least two thousand years old, long before Uranus, Neptune or Pluto could be observed with the aid of powerful telescopes. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto were simply not visible to ancient astrologers who nevertheless successfully rectified charts


An example of an ancient/traditional rectification technique is the “Animodar” method of rectification which is explained at this link http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html Animodar is just one rectification technique of which there are many... These are just the basics...
Good idea to assess/experiment with each method before drawing any firm conclusions.

Each astrologer has their own ideas as to which method is preferable
so examine/experiment with all methods
to find the method you prefer