Aspects between Algol and planets/points in the natal chart

[GeminiGrrl]

How would you be inclined to interpret Algol conjunct the Descendant in the natal chart -- say, at an orb of five degrees? Would you be more likely to see this as someone who experiences partnerships as a source of pain and suffering -- or as someone who causes other people to experience pain and suffering through partnership, even if only inadvertently?

Upon reviewing the natal chart of one of my former significant others -- a man whom I chose to cut all ties with after a year when I found out that he had been lying to me and unfaithful to me ever since we met -- I find it interesting that Algol apparently forms a fairly close square with his natal Venus. I would definitely say that at least when I knew him, this was a man with a distinct propensity for causing other people pain and suffering in the romantic sense (I found out after breaking up with him that I was by no means the only woman he had injured or offended). However, I've also read that planetary aspects with Algol in the natal chart can also be an indication of artistic talents -- and at least in my opinion, this man was also quite talented at writing poetry.

 

[IleneK]

Some interpret the descendant as how the native looks out into the world at the Other. If Algol is prominently placed, then he would see people with whom he is in relationship or prospects for relationship through the lens of Algol's symbolism. If he sees them that way, then they must appear very frightening to him, quite possibly evoking this kind of behaviour which is non-conducive to relationship. That is, in effect, "killing" it.
I do think that the orb is kind of wide. Some say that star orbs should be within a degree, two at most.

 

[JUPITERASC]

How would you be inclined to interpret Algol conjunct the Descendant in the natal chart
-- say, at an orb of five degrees?

Whether or not Algol conjuncts descendent
is entirely dependent on a reliable time of birth

and
if the time of birth is out by just four minutes

then
any purported Algol conjunction to descendant or any angle is unreliable

in fact conjunctions to fixed stars are noticeable
when conjunct by LATITUDE and/or DECLINATION
and not solely by Longitude
"additional tables pdf" above top left of astro.com chart
provide latitude as well as declination and longitude

 

[JUPITERASC]

Would you be more likely to see this as someone who experiences partnerships as a source of pain and suffering -
- or as someone who causes other people to experience pain
and suffering through partnership, even if only inadvertently?

Upon reviewing the natal chart of one of my former significant others
-- a man whom I chose to cut all ties with after a year when I found out that he had been lying to me
and unfaithful to me ever since we met
-- I find it interesting that Algol apparently forms a fairly close square with his natal Venus.
I would definitely say that at least when I knew him,
this was a man with a distinct propensity for causing other people pain and suffering in the romantic sense
(I found out after breaking up with him that I was by no means the only woman he had injured or offended).
However, I've also read that planetary aspects with Algol in the natal chart can also be an indication of artistic talents
-- and at least in my opinion, this man was also quite talented at writing poetry.

Fixed Stars are delineated by conjunction usually - orb one degree
"a fairly close square" is unlikely to have the effects you mention
and
the entire natal chart requires assessment
to find the potential for the factors you mentioned

constellations of words is a comprehensive fixed stars website http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Stars_alphabet.htm

 

[dr. farr]

I follow Robson (and others) and only count the influence of the "fixed stars" upon chart elements, by conjunction in longidtude or by parallel of declination; Robson did also allow for a connection by opposition, however I have never used aspects re stars to horoscopic points (including planets)-yet I am an avid advocate of delineating star connections and their meanings and ramifications in natal and mundane and event charts (one of the nicknames given me by some is "Fixed Star Farr")

 

[Emily56]

I have algol at about 5 degrees of my descendant/north node/part of fortune in taurus. My biggest fear was betrayal. I had this idea that a partner would perhaps betray me and leave me with all the work, pick up all the pieces. Perhaps this is only to do with taurus on the descendant because taurus' biggest fear is betrayal.

 

[IleneK]

I have Sun conjunct Algol within a degree in the 9th. I also share a Taurus north node.

While I do not presume to understate the violence of Algol with all the fear that characterizes Taurus, I see fear of betrayal more an attribute of Mars-ruled Scorpio.

 

[Emily56]

Some interpret the descendant as how the native looks out into the world at the Other. If Algol is prominently placed, then he would see people with whom he is in relationship or prospects for relationship through the lens of Algol's symbolism. If he sees them that way, then they must appear very frightening to him, quite possibly evoking this kind of behaviour which is non-conducive to relationship. That is, in effect, "killing" it.
I do think that the orb is kind of wide. Some say that star orbs should be within a degree, two at most.

Would they also attract bad people?

 

[IleneK]

Would they also attract bad people?

That could surely be possible. Nothing is ever all in one direction.

 

[Emily56]

I also encountered someone who has their north node conjunct algol (in their first) which lands in my 7th. I always wondered if they creeped me out, were they creepy or not i wondered. I always wondered if they had could have bad intentions toward me if I allowed them... Any thoughts?

 

[Emily56]

Their north node also lands on my algol (which is in 7th)..

 

[IleneK]

Their north node also lands on my algol (which is in 7th)..

You may seem creepy to them, too, with their experiencing Algol from you through their aspiration or calling in this life....?

 

[Emily56]

actually everyone's algol lands on their north node (which lies in their first house) because his north node is on algol... hrm..

Same goes for someone who has algol on their descendant. Other people will have their algol on their descendant which means they could be difficult/evil toward them..?

 

[FraterAC]

At the time of her death, some sensationalist media reported that Jayne Mansfield had been beheaded. This was not true, but the fiction survives to this day.
On the date of the accident, Jayne’s Mercury by Major progression was conjunct Algol at Taurus 25:54.
I'd refer anyone interested in Ms. Mansfield's transition to my fairly exhaustive analysis of the astrological factors at work, here:

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[JUPITERASC]

At the time of her death, some sensationalist media reported that Jayne Mansfield had been beheaded. This was not true, but the fiction survives to this day.
On the date of the accident, Jayne’s Mercury by Major progression was conjunct Algol at Taurus 25:54.
I'd refer anyone interested in Ms. Mansfield's transition to my fairly exhaustive analysis of the astrological factors at work, here:

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JAYNE MANSFIELD - Friends With ANTON LA VEY the CHURCH of SATAN - died by CAR ACCIDENT New Orleans LOUISIANA USA

. "..The official reason for the death of Jane Mansfield :) was a crushed skull and avulsion defining that is below:- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avulsion Actually it means the top of the skull was removed plus brain matter, so not exactly beheading, but near...

www.astrologyweekly.com

Mansfield’s death certificate confirms
that she suffered a crushed skull
and
a partial separation of her cranium
an injury more akin to a scalping than total decapitation.

But the beheading story remains oft-repeated
even finding its way into the 1996 movie Crash.

REASON/ORIGIN OF THE CURSE RUMOUR

Jealousy led Mansfields boyfriend Brody to mock LaVey’s house of satanic obscurities at any chance he could.
Barton writes that he picked up priceless objects and laughed at them and then lit a skull candle in LaVey’s ritual chamber.
This egregious act was the last straw for LaVey.
LaVey told him:
‘..That candle is used only for curses. I don’t know what’s going to happen to you now.
I only hope I’ve put it out in time..’
THEN
Later, the duel between Brody and LaVey reached breaking point
as Brody tried in vain to control Mansfield’s lust for the man
Barton writes that
after Brody tried to violently stop one telephone conversation between Mansfield and LaVey
by calling LaVey a ‘charlatan,’
the Satanist put an irrevocable curse on Brody’s life.

‘..My power exceeds anything you can imagine,
and now you’re going to feel it.
You will be dead in a year. Sam Brody,
I pronounce that you will be dead within one year,.’
thundered LaVey.

The relationship between LaVey and Mansfield was cut short by the actress’s death
on June 29, 1967. She was 34 years old.
She was in a Buick car traveling from Biloxi, Mississippi to New Orleans along with Brody,
driver Ronnie Harrison, and three of her children: Zoltan, Miklos and Mariska.
Harrison crashed into the rear of a tractor-trailer. The children survived, but all three adults perished
Later, LaVey conducted a Satanic memorial service for her at his Black House in San Francisco
In 1997, he died of pulmonary edema. He was 67.

Surprisingly, Jayne Mansfield’s death had a huge impact outside of her family and fans.
The accident that killed her spurred a change in federal law.

The back of modern semi-truck trailers include a low bar
known as a Mansfield Bar
to prevent cars from sliding under the trailer.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ordered all semi-trucks to change their design.
After Jayne Mansfield’s death, trailers require a steel bar
to prevent cars from rolling underneath the semi-truck
These bars, known as Mansfield bars, would ensure that no one else suffered the same tragedy
as Jayne Mansfield and her family.

It was clearly accidental
but as highlighted
Sam Brody was the one cursed

The problem was she was sitting next to Sam Brody and was killed by mistake, as the curse was attached to him, she just got in the way, i'm sure Lavey was upset by this, but that can happen with a curse, it can, due to karma be a double bladed sword.

"..The official reason for the death of Jane Mansfield
was
a crushed skull and avulsion
defining that is below:-

Definition of AVULSION

a forcible separation or detachment: such as; a tearing away of a body part accidentally or surgically… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Actually it means the top of the skull was removed plus brain matter,
so not exactly beheading, but near enough.."

Ronnie Harrison, the driver,
and Sam Brody, seated in the middle,
were physically intact
but literally crushed from the front
by the dashboard.

Jayne Mansfield was tossed out of the Buick by the impact
and she landed on the shoulder of the road.

One of those turns on that dark road had already earned the name
"..Dead Man's Curve.." for good reason

as they approached Dead Man's Curve they were about 23 miles from downtown New Orleans.
The impact was tremendous.
The Buick hit the back of the 18-wheeler, shearing off the car's top
and prompting later rumors that they had been riding in a convertible.


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[Monk]

Hi Jup,
Brody had two Algol paran alignments on Birth Chart with Mars.
Going under the back of of a truck at speed does have the symbolism of a guillotine.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Hi Jup,
Brody had two Algol paran alignments on Birth Chart with Mars.
Going under the back of of a truck at speed does have the symbolism of a guillotine.

 

[FraterAC]

Hi Jup,
Brody had two Algol paran alignments on Birth Chart with Mars.
Going under the back of of a truck at speed does have the symbolism of a guillotine.

Neither Brody nor the driver had the same kind of injury Ms. Mansfield did. Brody's head hit the dashboard, and the driver hit the steering wheel. Both head injuries were fatal.