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So, while I was talking about Carl Jung in the other thread, I got curious what the Sabian Symbols would say about Carl Jung's chart.
So, let's see... the place I think you're supposed to start this kind of analysis would be with the chart axis, right?
First, I'll see if the ascending degree makes any sense.
To my ears, that does indeed sound like it could be the personal face of Carl Jung, the man who wrote "Modern Man in Search of a Soul," and who got famous for his work in psychoanalysis that helped a lot of mentally ill people. This would be who Carl Jung is, at least in my mind.
Now, let's look at the descending degree.
This actually fits with some stuff I learned about Jung recently, how he was a bit of a womanizer and cheated a bit in academia, possibly feeling the need to compete with his peers in multiple ways while appearing respectable. I also remember hearing something about him owning a gun. In Sabian Symbol analysis, this would be the where-to, where he's going in his life. Well, in his life he triumphed over a lot of his peers for attention and recognition, maybe even grants and tenure, and probably had a lot more women around him. He started off mostly interested in healing psychological illness, but it's possible the glory and fame he got from his work went to his head making him more interested in keeping the Jungian movement going and not sharing credit with Freud, than in the truth of things. His sun is also conjunct the descendant on this very degree, which gives it added significance.
So, the other main personal point in a chart is the IC. Let's look at that degree.
This immediately makes me think of the Red Book his family didn't want anyone to see for a very long time after he passed away. In it, I seem to recall he had all kinds of private stuff about hallucinations and visions that helped him get in touch with his subconscious mind, things that would probably have cast doubt on his own mental health and discredited him in terms of character if it were revealed. He was very good at seeing what lurks in the depths of the human mind because he had no filter, he was on the verge of being insane himself, but somehow managed to function well enough to keep coming back from insanity to reality with fresh insights on what being insane or out of balance feels like. The veil was thin for him, he couldn't look away from the unconscious like other people could. This would seem to be the why of Carl Jung's chart, which makes sense given that I suspect for all his flaws, he was more spiritually oriented.
Finally, let's look at the MC of the chart.
This recalls his descendant point, especially since he did serve in the Swiss military. Perhaps Jung relied a lot on his old Swiss military buddies to help him achieve recognition and respect for the ideas he wanted to promote in society, and convinced them that his ideas were of vital importance to everything their civilization stood for, maybe even necessary to ensuring the place of Switzerland itself in world history. It could even be that he was protected somewhat he because he is such a famous Swiss man that his image was seen as impacting the image of the country as a whole, and that's why they couldn't bear to have his legacy tarnished. Maybe they blamed some of his psychological issues on his military service and didn't want him to be judged for that, covering for him at times. This would be the how of his chart, explaining how it is he was able to get where he was going.
Though, I suppose a less charitable person could easily decide that Jung was actually a bit materialistic, and say that he used his awareness of the unconscious to achieve status among his peers. Though with Jung it honestly seems like it could be a bit of both, like he had both a spiritual and a materialistic side that were in conflict. Not unlike the conflict between Intuition and Sensing in his typology.
Two other symbols I find interesting are the ones for his moon and Uranus, because they are actually in an antiscia relationship. The moon is at 16 Taurus:
Uranus is at 15 Leo:
Interestingly, in a total coincidence, I just happened to talk about both of these symbols recently on another thread of mine I recently revived:
www.astrologyweekly.com
This suggests to me that Jung was most attuned with traditional, old knowledge of the same kind I tend to be interested in, like the wisdom of Greek philosophers, ancient mythology, Gnostic Christianity, various esoteric traditions, as well as the wisdom lost during the fall of Rome. But he found that contemporary people weren't interested in that stuff, thought it was pseudoscience and nonsense. So, what did he do? He looked at the kind of things contemporary people found exciting, and secretly (because this is an antiscia relationship) repackaged those old ideas into new forms that would appeal to the masses, transforming the ancient wisdom that appealed to his soul into something exciting and seemingly revolutionary that was suited for consumption by a modern world obsessed with science and Freudian ideas.
That is to say, I believe Carl Jung turned traditional wisdom that failed to interest people into exactly the kind of spectacle that would have captured their attention at the time, he took all of that and dressed it up in respectable clothes, gave it a veneer of scientific respectability. Used his knowledge of the unconscious to take advantage of the biases of people in his time to know what they wouldn't scrutinize too closely, what they wouldn't tend to question too harshly, and put most of the methodology into the blind spots of average educated people. But mostly with the end of creating an appealing package of traditional wisdom that would appeal to the masses.
I'm about to head to school, so I don't have much more time to write about this today, but so far I think it's pretty believable that this is indeed Jung's chart.
So, let's see... the place I think you're supposed to start this kind of analysis would be with the chart axis, right?
First, I'll see if the ascending degree makes any sense.
To my ears, that does indeed sound like it could be the personal face of Carl Jung, the man who wrote "Modern Man in Search of a Soul," and who got famous for his work in psychoanalysis that helped a lot of mentally ill people. This would be who Carl Jung is, at least in my mind.
Now, let's look at the descending degree.
This actually fits with some stuff I learned about Jung recently, how he was a bit of a womanizer and cheated a bit in academia, possibly feeling the need to compete with his peers in multiple ways while appearing respectable. I also remember hearing something about him owning a gun. In Sabian Symbol analysis, this would be the where-to, where he's going in his life. Well, in his life he triumphed over a lot of his peers for attention and recognition, maybe even grants and tenure, and probably had a lot more women around him. He started off mostly interested in healing psychological illness, but it's possible the glory and fame he got from his work went to his head making him more interested in keeping the Jungian movement going and not sharing credit with Freud, than in the truth of things. His sun is also conjunct the descendant on this very degree, which gives it added significance.
So, the other main personal point in a chart is the IC. Let's look at that degree.
This immediately makes me think of the Red Book his family didn't want anyone to see for a very long time after he passed away. In it, I seem to recall he had all kinds of private stuff about hallucinations and visions that helped him get in touch with his subconscious mind, things that would probably have cast doubt on his own mental health and discredited him in terms of character if it were revealed. He was very good at seeing what lurks in the depths of the human mind because he had no filter, he was on the verge of being insane himself, but somehow managed to function well enough to keep coming back from insanity to reality with fresh insights on what being insane or out of balance feels like. The veil was thin for him, he couldn't look away from the unconscious like other people could. This would seem to be the why of Carl Jung's chart, which makes sense given that I suspect for all his flaws, he was more spiritually oriented.
Finally, let's look at the MC of the chart.
This recalls his descendant point, especially since he did serve in the Swiss military. Perhaps Jung relied a lot on his old Swiss military buddies to help him achieve recognition and respect for the ideas he wanted to promote in society, and convinced them that his ideas were of vital importance to everything their civilization stood for, maybe even necessary to ensuring the place of Switzerland itself in world history. It could even be that he was protected somewhat he because he is such a famous Swiss man that his image was seen as impacting the image of the country as a whole, and that's why they couldn't bear to have his legacy tarnished. Maybe they blamed some of his psychological issues on his military service and didn't want him to be judged for that, covering for him at times. This would be the how of his chart, explaining how it is he was able to get where he was going.
Though, I suppose a less charitable person could easily decide that Jung was actually a bit materialistic, and say that he used his awareness of the unconscious to achieve status among his peers. Though with Jung it honestly seems like it could be a bit of both, like he had both a spiritual and a materialistic side that were in conflict. Not unlike the conflict between Intuition and Sensing in his typology.
Two other symbols I find interesting are the ones for his moon and Uranus, because they are actually in an antiscia relationship. The moon is at 16 Taurus:
Uranus is at 15 Leo:
Interestingly, in a total coincidence, I just happened to talk about both of these symbols recently on another thread of mine I recently revived:
Sabian symbols and Antiscions.
I've had entirely too much time on my hands for the past month, and so I came up with a crazy idea. There's an old concept called Antiscia, that involves looking at the "shadow" of a planet across the Cancer-Capricorn axis. Two planets located in each antiscion relationship were said to benefit...
www.astrologyweekly.com
This suggests to me that Jung was most attuned with traditional, old knowledge of the same kind I tend to be interested in, like the wisdom of Greek philosophers, ancient mythology, Gnostic Christianity, various esoteric traditions, as well as the wisdom lost during the fall of Rome. But he found that contemporary people weren't interested in that stuff, thought it was pseudoscience and nonsense. So, what did he do? He looked at the kind of things contemporary people found exciting, and secretly (because this is an antiscia relationship) repackaged those old ideas into new forms that would appeal to the masses, transforming the ancient wisdom that appealed to his soul into something exciting and seemingly revolutionary that was suited for consumption by a modern world obsessed with science and Freudian ideas.
That is to say, I believe Carl Jung turned traditional wisdom that failed to interest people into exactly the kind of spectacle that would have captured their attention at the time, he took all of that and dressed it up in respectable clothes, gave it a veneer of scientific respectability. Used his knowledge of the unconscious to take advantage of the biases of people in his time to know what they wouldn't scrutinize too closely, what they wouldn't tend to question too harshly, and put most of the methodology into the blind spots of average educated people. But mostly with the end of creating an appealing package of traditional wisdom that would appeal to the masses.
I'm about to head to school, so I don't have much more time to write about this today, but so far I think it's pretty believable that this is indeed Jung's chart.
