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I have known people of other religions who were very uncomfortable with me studying astrology, but then I have known people who follow no particular religion to feel the same discomfort. Perhaps it just depends on how accepting the person is of something they do not understand, or something they want to control or keep a handle of...?

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Neppy

there are always people who feel discomfort about somehting and anything. when someone is shoving their beliefs into you that is where hell begins. back in ancient days, if you were into astrology you were considered to be a wise one

if someone is bi or homosexual, people start having a fit.

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Thats an interesting clip HeyPlay Girl, I've seen if before, nice to see it again.

It brought to my mind, that astrology is symbolic, and the story of the birth of Christ could also be symbolic as depicted in the clip... therefore alot of things in life, as we take them at face value, can also somehow be symbolic... need to think about that one for a bit.. :sideways:
 
Quite often there is always controversy about how "valid" Astrology is versus Christianity. I will offer this little point to ponder:HOW did the Wisemen know WHERE and WHEN the Christ Child would be born? In case it isn't known The Essenes were also Avid and Practicing Astrologers and Jesus was made a High Priest After The Order Of Melchezedek (Heb. 5:6 and Heb.6:20) & Jesus became part of the Essenes as well. EVERY ancient culture had an Astrological System in place. Arrogantly anything before The Big 3 religions existed is often looked at as myth or conjecture and with not enough Objective thought. So all of this backlash against Astrology is more based on fear and belief and not on FACT. Through experience,evidence,and reason one can learn how effective Astrology really is. Historically ANYthing and ANYone who doesn't conform with the Church view met harsh scrutiny,painful retribution,unjust persecution,and often execution. I say all of this to make the point that Religion may be made to appear to look like it is a way for man to reach up to God. On the other hand Astrology is God's way of reaching down to Woman and Man to make Us better. Things that open Our Minds are definitely from the Divine and will assist Our Evolution Physically and Spiritually. Things that make us fear are NOT from the Divine and ultimately should be avoided. As Einstein said:"Superior Souls Have Always Met Violent Oppostion From Mediocore Minds."
 
I believe that most Scientists recognise universal laws like gravity etc,and spend their whole time attempting to discover more but dont attribute a conciousness to these laws.
I believe that most people in religions recognise that the universe is organised and attribute a higher conciousness to these laws.
I believe that astrology is somewhere between these 2 systems of 'knowing',but is open to conciousness/no consciousness
I believe these 3 views are very similar but from different ways of 'knowing'.
I believe that its quite possible for a person to 'know' from 2 of the ways of 'knowing',but its rare for someone to be able to accept all 3 ways as equally valid.
But i see no reason why someone cannot be a christian and an astrologer,
or a christian and a scientist,or a scientist and an astrologer.much harder to be all 3.
As astrologers we know the art works,we know we need to use scientific methods to calculate a chart,We know we need to have a spiritual attitude to interpret a chart well for the client.
All 3 views are valid in their correct place.
 
well .. since you brought it up

occult is quite acceptable in old testament. there are sinagogues in middle east that have astrological 12 signs in mosaics on the floor. if you dont believe me .. googl sinagogues and astrological mosaics.
in new testament it is a problem. Now, Jesus Christ himself knew what is waiting for him and who will betray him. It is a self prophecy but it is a prophecy after all. Contradiction from all over the the place.

Look at this

Jer 10-2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
then it contradicts itself

in Luke, it goes to accept astrology And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars.
Quite honestly, this just proves 1 thing.... the bible was and still is a tool in politics and nothing more.

my argument towards all this is .. Let's just say there is a GOD *i am angostic - i dont know i dont care - all religions have blood on their hands except agnostics and athiests.. i refuse to join or believe in any religions that have screamed "My god is better than yours" *** If horary astrology holds 100% solid rock answers, why did God (if it created the universe) "create" stars and the Moon and the Sun to in certain locations to get to 100% proof?

Check out this rant

http://www.konig.org/astrology.htm

this is my favorite

"Astrologers, Satanists, witches, psychics, and all those who are dabbling in magic of some kind - take heed: Man's efforts to predict omens and tell the future through magic are always fruitless. These "gifts" come from Satan, not from your Creator. Dabbling in these will only result in certain spiritual death. God says so. "

I guess we all spiritually dead! happy afterlife people!




Quite often there is always controversy about how "valid" Astrology is versus Christianity. I will offer this little point to ponder:HOW did the Wisemen know WHERE and WHEN the Christ Child would be born? In case it isn't known The Essenes were also Avid and Practicing Astrologers and Jesus was made a High Priest After The Order Of Melchezedek (Heb. 5:6 and Heb.6:20) & Jesus became part of the Essenes as well. EVERY ancient culture had an Astrological System in place. Arrogantly anything before The Big 3 religions existed is often looked at as myth or conjecture and with not enough Objective thought. So all of this backlash against Astrology is more based on fear and belief and not on FACT. Through experience,evidence,and reason one can learn how effective Astrology really is. Historically ANYthing and ANYone who doesn't conform with the Church view met harsh scrutiny,painful retribution,unjust persecution,and often execution. I say all of this to make the point that Religion may be made to appear to look like it is a way for man to reach up to God. On the other hand Astrology is God's way of reaching down to Woman and Man to make Us better. Things that open Our Minds are definitely from the Divine and will assist Our Evolution Physically and Spiritually. Things that make us fear are NOT from the Divine and ultimately should be avoided. As Einstein said:"Superior Souls Have Always Met Violent Oppostion From Mediocore Minds."
 
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I think there is a real chance Christianity and Astrology can co-exisit in harmony. However I doubt Christian religion and astrology can co-exisit in harmony without religious institutions reevaluating what is preached in church. There are too many right and wrong, black and white ideologies. :unsure:
 
very interesting topic.

I used to be a born again christian and they made me burn my astrology books for being works of the devil. I actually believed it was a sin for some time. After a few years of trying to conform to their teachings, I couldnt do it anymore and left the church and came back to my passion for astrology and belief in reincarnation., and felt like I'd come home to myself.

They obviously told me I was going to hell and its took a lot of time to shake free from the brainwashing and to shake off my fear of hell.

I no longer think Im going to hell..........and have a deeper faith that my own soul knows the truth and that no man can ever tell you what to believe.

But it took a long time, and I lived in a constant state of anxiety being a christian because of my love for astrology and belief in reincarnation.

Personally I dont think you can mix the two.
 
Christian or not,I always have a thing about learning as much as I can and predicting stuff.In the past I was really into the occult and it gave me nigthmares so I HAD to stop it.Astrology is different,because you study something that exists,the planets,and even the planets were created by God.I'm not a hardcore Christian and I'm not naive either but when it comes to predicting with astrology I always have an inner limit where I stop and think about it,just out of respect for the One who created the universe.
 
It appears to me that christianity has had a lot of astrological data removed or modified over the centuries.I presume the powers that be didnt think it was suitable for their agenda,or it was seen as incompatible with other parts of the bible.I would be interested to know why this happened.
For many astrologers the art suggests reincarnation and consequently they have to choose budhism or a similar type of religion/spirituality that is compatible with this concept.
I would have thought that for independent spiritual thinkers they could interpret the bible in a way that could incorporate astrology irrespective of whether the main stream christians accepted the concept or not.We dont have to be bots.There are many varieties and different factions of christianity,Be your own master i say.
For me conciousness is the only thing that exists,consequently i believe that is the most likely part to continue after my planetary bodies demise.Astrologically its the only thing that makes sense to me that im involved in a conciousness refining program and there is no idealistic retirement home for my aledged one incarnation existence...unfortunately.
Onwards and upwards :)
 
Christian or not,I always have a thing about learning as much as I can and predicting stuff.In the past I was really into the occult and it gave me nigthmares so I HAD to stop it.Astrology is different,because you study something that exists,the planets,and even the planets were created by God.I'm not a hardcore Christian and I'm not naive either but when it comes to predicting with astrology I always have an inner limit where I stop and think about it,just out of respect for the One who created the universe.

very well put....yes, I do think its good to have limits on predictive astrology. We need to trust God more and his timing...."Be still and know that I am God" :innocent:
 
interesting conversation- heres something I heard recently ---really had me thinking of going back to study the bible more

1st 12 chapters of Genesis define the signs.
1st 7 books the planets.

that above I can't explain but yeah when I heard it just last week.....real interesting.

i will add what i learned in my 1st formal astrology class.

from the late Norman Arens teacher and lecturer of the Astrological Science.


The Bible is the Astrologers most revered reference; meaning of course, to the truly spiritually motivated Astrologers.



In early Biblical days Astrology and Religion were one and the same.
from the Bible.
Genesis 1:14" And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."
Matthew 2;1 (new English bible) "Jesus was born at Bethleham in Judea during the reign of Herod. After the birth Astrologers from the east arrived in Jerusalem asking: "Where is the child who is born to be king of the Jews? We have observed the rising of his star and have come to pay him homage."
Ecclesiastes 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven;
Rev. 21;11 Description of the Holy city with 12 gates (3 to the North 3 to the South 3 to the East 3 to the West, 12 Angels, 12 Foundation stones (re;12 signs of the zodiac)
Job 38:31 "Can'st thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"
Rev. 22:2 "Tree of Life which yields 12 crops of fruit"
Psalm 19 The Heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament showeth his handiwork.
Luke 21;25 "Portents will appear in the Sun Moon Stars.."
Ezekiel 4;6 "I have appointed thee each day for a year." (Regarding Progressions)


awesome isn't it

julie
 
love that neptune rising !!! as a matter a fact @ tikina jesus was the one that said "judge not lest ye be judged "~he spoke a lot to the religious sector about judging others and being hypocritical~he was all about mercy, forgivness ,non- judgment and treating everyone with love.It is some of the christian dogma that is judging not jesus. the planets fortold his birth.
 
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I agree with that Piscesnurse, there is so much segregation in the name of religion, and this may be a very controversial thing to say but its true. How many wars, fighting, anger is caused because of this, when the actual message of the prophets was peace, compassion and understanding. Somehow, ego became involved. I have heard of church halls that don't let yoga teachers teach there because they think its against their religion...:andy: All of these teachings teach love (for self and others), compassion and understanding. This is also what astrology teaches us, how to understand ourselves better, and through self understanding, it surely is a good way for us to understand each other better which may lead to some compassion? I am not sure where the actual harm is there except that it empowers people, not good for the people in power. Its the control, guilt, power and ego things like that that make me sad that the original message has become so distorted.
 
love that neptune rising !!! as a matter a fact @ tikina jesus was the one that said "judge not lest ye be judged "~he spoke a lot to the religious sector about judging others and being hypocritical~he was all about mercy, forgivness ,non- judgment and treating everyone with love.It is some of the christian dogma that is judging not jesus. the planets fortold his birth.

yeah well i am not Christian..I dont care what Jesus said. Planets fortold your birth too, look at your parents'transits 9 months before your birth. i was baptised but walked away from this all ages ago... How can a person love another (in Jesus'time) when ppl were tortured at the forum in Rome as a enterntaiment? Middle east with Europe back then were brutal places to be living in ESP if you are colonized by Rome. Nero was emperor when Jesus was around. Check that psycho out. Christianity (this aplies to all religions) has blood on its hands and i have a problem with that. Dont bring up judging issue. look at Florida pastor. he burned Quaran. Every holy book should be treated with respect and not misinterpreted and used as politicial tool. Roman Empire's Constantine had the Roman empire switch to Christianity because of his political agenda.. Every country pretty much failed at that.
A few ppl dead due to riots in Afganistan. in protest. you are preaching "dont judge" to a wrong person. I dont care what person believes in as long as he/she does no harm in the name of "whover and however it is called in their term - God, Allah, Buddah... whatever" Forginess? what forgiveness!!!??? Tell me how many ppl have died protecting their faith from being monopolized into accepting Chrisitanity throughout the 2k years? it was done by force and blood.
Viking tribes, Native americans, African tribes, Azeteks, aboriginal tribes, inquisition victims, Salem witchhunt, the Crusaders, the astrologers, medicine people who were labeled as heretics, the astrologers in middle ages. How many astronomers have we lost because of Xstianity? The world is round! OHHH nooo .. Church said it is flat! Hang the astronomer that heretic!"
Now they are playing a stupid game called - trying to make itself valid by stating ohh MAYBE just maybe there is life on other planets. Before they were saying "OHHH NOOO there is nothing up there, you heretics!" the list goes on and on and on. Agnostics and athiests do not run around and kill ppl, torch holy books, and torture ppl cause they dont believe in what we dont believe in. So i guess Agnostics and athiests are the ideal 2 groups out of all religious groups.

Did you see those azzholes walking around with those signs "thank god for dead soldiers"???? FORGIVE THESE AZZHOLES?! tell me something when is
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Enough is enough? Our sons, daughters, sisters, mothers, brothers are risking their lives and no one can stop these b*tches?



i hate to rain on your parade, Pisces and Neptune, but its IMPOSSIBLE to have peace and understanding in any religion. as i have said before i will say it again. Every war has either started because of religion (my god is better than yours) or has religious pretones. so you have to be very realistic. Religion will always be part of every war you can think of. Get rid of all religions, you will get your peace.

Neptune, "there is so much segregation in the name of religion," not really it is there is so much segregation in the name of GOD. Scrap all descrptions, all you know and you have read, you will find God.
 
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Agnostics and atheists do the same for self and money, rather than pretending it's for God. Does that really make you feel better?
 
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