How we will all be spied upon by CIA and others

[JUPITERASC]

I mean, how many government employees in any kind of surveillance work do you imagine there are, in comparison with the number of Americans? How many people, then, would each government surveillance employee have to spy on for how much time and with what data in order to glean anything useable about your life?

The thread title states "How we will be spied upon by CIA and others" - Government employees are not always involved because the climate of fear inspired by the "war on terror" encourages all and sundry to spy on neighbors and strangers alike.

Example from within the past week of 17 year old Trayvon Martin who just died after being gunned down by Neighborhood Watchvolunteer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman who was on surveillance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNzpsHB6zI

 

[waybread]

Well, if this is the best example available, I rest my case.

The Trayvon Martin case was tragic. But I believe George Zimmermann will be charged with his murder. Zimmermann was not a government employee, but a member of his local non-government Neighborhood Watch chapter. His behaviour leading up to this event was pretty bizarre.

So all you folks living in the US-- when were you last asked by a government employee to spy on your neighbours?

Never? OK. When did you last take it upon yourself to spy on your neighbours? How often do you do this? Have you ever gotten any "goods" on someone to report?

I didn't think so.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Well, if this is the best example available, I rest my case.

Prematurely IMO

The Trayvon Martin case was tragic. But I believe George Zimmermann will be charged with his murder. Zimmermann was not a government employee, but a member of his local non-government Neighborhood Watch chapter. His behaviour leading up to this event was pretty bizarre.

Exactly my point. George Zimmerman patrolled for a non government organisation. There are tens of thousands of non-government security organisations of varying sizes from small family businesses to big companies – e.g. 'security' for business premises/private citizens and others. i.e. Security companies unrelated to government are big earners.

So all you folks living in the US-- when were you last asked by a government employee to spy on your neighbours?

Apparently an hilarious idea - but consider the "war on terror" - citizens are required to "remain alert and report any suspicious packages/behavior" to the "authorities"

Never?

Good dialogue if speaking to some kind of puppet - but in actuality you have not asked any flesh and blood person - in particular, no one in your own neighborhood

OK. When did you last take it upon yourself to spy on your neighbours? How often do you do this? Have you ever gotten any "goods" on someone to report?

The foregoing series of questions is clearly designed to obtain information, therefore the very people you are questioning could unsurprisingly suspect you of spying on them.

In any event, in large as well as small towns/cities many homes have surveillance cameras and some homes in rural areas also have surveillance cameras.

I didn't think so.

Having asked a series of questions - but to imaginary rather than flesh and blood people - you yourself then immediately provided a response that is to your approval. Interesting dialogue

 

[Zonark]

Thanks again, Zonark-- this one was Today's Chuckle. I am old enough to be your mother and then some-- but I imagine you lecture her in the same way about her proper "place".

Your explanation of conspiracy theories was helpful. I am beginning to see the problem. Silly me: I thought that some people actually believe in these things, rather than seeing them as a flight of fancy.

I am not an "occultist." It isn't a term I particularly like. I don't apologize for astrology, BTW. I might apologize for specific individuals who practice (or think they practice) astrology because their writings just make me cringe.

Anyway, it would appear from your post that Google does collect a lot of information on you that you voluntarily signed away.

Look waybread, I've never even bothered to glance at your age. I'll let you know that I don't lecture my mother, much less about her place in life. If anything I'm always encouraging her to not paint herself into a corner. She's a wonderful person and I'm sure you are too, please do not conflate yourself with her, it is insulting to the unique qualities you both have. Leave her and any other simplistic Freudian implications out of this.

Okay, so you're not an occultist. I suppose I wrongly assume most people who are into astrology, tarot and various other methods of scrying, divination and unorthodox personality assessment unaccepted or avoided by ~academia~ would befit the title occultist, amateur or otherwise. I also think that feeling any sort of emotional aversion to the beliefs and opinions of the community that surrounds one's particular area of interest and then feeling the need to somehow change any negative perception of said community qualifies for being an apologist.

Yes, some people do take their conspiracy theories to the level of absolute belief. Personally, I try and avoid that, not only with conspiracy theories, it applies just as definitively to the 'hard facts' you are fond of. Sometimes I don't succeed in keeping up this precarious balance of suspended belief. Either way it makes life interesting. Your introduction of contrary 'hard facts' to my speculation only causes me to consider other possibilities. Such is the curse of a paranoid and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Good to know you've taken an interest in Googling information on me. I'm flattered

 

[Monk]

C.I.A established on 18th September 1947 in Washington D.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency

Well Zonark, no surprise there, like everything else in D.C. aligned to Alnilam, Belt of Orion or Sirius.

As Sun rises, Alnilam culminates, graph on link:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3907&mode=view

 

[princess valhalla]

Right On Zonark and Mae Mae! And I have a feeling you are correct Rushwing.
I do have to point out something Ixaee.
Quote from your second post: "Of course I did... I have personally researched government conspiracy for years and years, bound and determined to find the 'truth'."
Quote from fifth post: "Most writers involved in the conspiracy fields have a very deep rooted fear of censorship, and it spills out into their warnings and writings....

Fear is also what gets most people hooked onto researching conspiracy too..that surge of adrenaline we feel washing over ourselves as we're reading about the many things attempting to limit us.. (we all feel it because it taps into our primitive survival needs).

And fear is such a powerful emotion that it can spawn events where they are face-to-face with the very thing that they fear. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy..

Its irony, really.. like the man who is so convinced into believing that everyone is plotting against him, so it causes him to behave in a very defensive way -- going so far to even begin attacking others (or the government) for what he feels! Which, of course, causes them to become blatant enemies in return (as no one likes to be attacked for nothing). Then.... he really does have others plotting against him.

By fearing censorship, or someone coming to take them down, they're losing immense power... our inner worlds are so subtle, but the very core of all of creation; which should be embraced and harnessed into our betterment (------ not, instead, unknowingly used as an instrument of our own demise)."

Can you say contradiction much??
{personal attack deleted by moderator} lol

 

[waybread]

Look, folks. I have a super idea for anyone who doesn't like my posts. Don't read them. Don't dignify them with a reply. Do your blood pressure a favour.

I'll get over it.

Frankly, I am relieved that the conspiracy theorists on this thread are turning to "shoot the messenger" posts. It takes the attention off the CIA, Neighbourhood Watch, your neighbours, Zonark's misinterpretations of my posts, JA's digressions, the latest YouTube hysteria, and what would appear to be masses of paranoid Americans.

Zonark, how can you conflate astrology with "tarot and various other methods of scrying, divination and unorthodox personality assessment unaccepted or avoided by ~academia~"????? Are you saying you don't believe in "hard facts"? Alas, no-- I haven't googled you. What am I missing?

JupiterAsc-- Neighborhood Watch has been around in various forms since the 1960s. Decades prior to the latest spate of conspiracy theories. It was never intended to be a vigilante organization. Try living in Israel if you don't think "suspicious packages" left at bus stops, &c. could contain bombs. Frankly, I have yet to see a "suspicious package" so my paranoia-o-meter is relatively flat.

BTW, I am a dual citizen living in Canada. I follow US news closely (more than most Americans) and visit the US often. I file US income tax returns. My US credentials are solid. Thankfully people aren't so paranoid up here. We do worry about the Conservatives playing dirty tricks on the NDP; or whether Americans' peculiar claim that Alberta tar sands will be part of their "domestic" energy program has a hidden imperialist agenda. That's about as conspiratorial as it gets.

Think about it. Pluto in Capricorn affects everybody planet-wide. If you actually think it is making the US government readier to spy on its citizens, you would have to find this occuring globally; or else show why the US should be particularly prone.

 

[Zonark]

C.I.A established on 18th September 1947 in Washington D.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency

Well Zonark, no surprise there, like everything else in D.C. aligned to Alnilam, Belt of Orion or Sirius.

As Sun rises, Alnilam culminates, graph on link:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3907&mode=view

Oh wow, you say no surprise but excuse me while I retrieve my jaw from the floor!

For those who don't get it, what other famous monumental wonders are aligned with the belt of Osiris?

 

[Zonark]

Look, folks. I have a super idea for anyone who doesn't like my posts. Don't read them. Don't dignify them with a reply. Do your blood pressure a favour.

I'll get over it.

Frankly, I am relieved that the conspiracy theorists on this thread are turning to "shoot the messenger" posts. It takes the attention off the CIA, Neighbourhood Watch, your neighbours, Zonark's misinterpretations of my posts, JA's digressions, the latest YouTube hysteria, and what would appear to be masses of paranoid Americans.

Zonark, how can you conflate astrology with "tarot and various other methods of scrying, divination and unorthodox personality assessment unaccepted or avoided by ~academia~"????? Are you saying you don't believe in "hard facts"? Alas, no-- I haven't googled you. What am I missing?

JupiterAsc-- Neighborhood Watch has been around in various forms since the 1960s. Decades prior to the latest spate of conspiracy theories. It was never intended to be a vigilante organization. Try living in Israel if you don't think "suspicious packages" left at bus stops, &c. could contain bombs. Frankly, I have yet to see a "suspicious package" so my paranoia-o-meter is relatively flat.

BTW, I am a dual citizen living in Canada. I follow US news closely (more than most Americans) and visit the US often. I file US income tax returns. My US credentials are solid. Thankfully people aren't so paranoid up here. We do worry about the Conservatives playing dirty tricks on the NDP; or whether Americans' peculiar claim that Alberta tar sands will be part of their "domestic" energy program has a hidden imperialist agenda. That's about as conspiratorial as it gets.

Think about it. Pluto in Capricorn affects everybody planet-wide. If you actually think it is making the US government readier to spy on its citizens, you would have to find this occuring globally; or else show why the US should be particularly prone.

I could pick your post apart and have you do the same in turn so this keeps going on and on like the sick and twisted game it is but all I'm saying is, you've said in your post all the things I wanted to say about your postings but bit my tongue over because I wanted to be diplomatic.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Agree to disagree? I'll shake on it if you will.

 

[Sweet Pea]

Well I started the thread so I do feel obliged to read your postings Waybread.

It is apparent to me that governments everywhere are tightening the screws on their citizens in many ways. If people are unaware of this, then they're simply not looking at the websites that reveal what's going on.

They don't need employees everywhere to do this. They just need the supercomputers they undoubtedly have to draw together the threads of our lives and compile a dossier on anyone they choose to look at. They can filter everything and determine whether somebody is worthy of their attention at any particular time. I don't believe they are specifically watching "me" at all moments, but should I write something they deem of interest out here on the web, then I see no reason why they wouldn't or couldn't turn their gaze in my direction and using their own databases, swiftly pull up a factsheet on who I am.

 

[Monk]

Hi Zonark,

Hell it would take a month to list everything aligned to Alnilam and Sirius in Washington D.C., however i will give a few more, probably what most people see is the Great Seal of the United States on the dollar bill, that was aligned at adoption in the same way as the C.I.A., nice pyramid, link to image to reverse of seal below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Great_Seal_Reverse.svg

This was adopted by Congress on 15th September 1789, you will find the date on first paragraph below:-

http://www.caribeinsider.com/en/atributosnacionalesen/404

At this time Washington D.C. wasn't built, so Congress was sitting in New York, link below:-

http://www.gwu.edu/~ffcp/exhibit/p2/

So now we had date and location, graph on link below, King Tut would have loved it, Egyptian daymarker used, as Sun rose, Alnilam, Osiris star culminated in centre of sky

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3911&mode=view

 

[Mark]

You know what? This is just funny now. Should we all keep acting as if opinions mean something? Not today. Today, I feel like giving the world the finger, cackling like a madman, and dancing in the ashes of a fallen society. You want to keep shoring up a broken and corrupt system? Fine! It will tumble down on top of you and I will be dancing over there when it happens. This world is made of dust. Everything that is important to you doesn't really exist and you will find this out when it all blows away. The hilarious part is that there is absolutely nothing anyone here can do to change it! Here's your only real choice: laugh or cry. It's all going away, kids. Plan on it.

*releases over-the-top, ridiculous laughter and skips freely out of the room*

See you on the other side!

 

[Rebel Uranian]

How about one of you conspiracy theorists astral project your way into CIA headquarters and afterwards draw me a diagram and a few pictures of how utterly simple the system is and how easy it is for people to take advantage of us. Of course there are genuine conspiracies, but they don't sound like the plot to a bad thriller. The fact that bad thrillers seem to be more interesting than real life to most people is another story entirely...

 

[JUPITERASC]

JupiterAsc-- Neighborhood Watch has been around in various forms since the 1960s...... Frankly, I have yet to see a "suspicious package" so my paranoia-o-meter is relatively flat.

But your home is in the Canadian Rockies... you are free from the urban sprawl of large Cities and in fact cougars and/or bears are more likely to get your paranoia-o-meter going - not "suspicious packages"

My neighbours recently informed me that there have been several cougar sightings close to my house. (I live in the Canadian Rockies.) I am going to double-check those old predictions about death by lion attacks.

JA, mountain lion sightings are not rare in rural/wild western Canada, although this is the first one I've heard of so close to our house. Due to knee troubles I'm not snow-shoeing or hiking in the hills behind our house as I have in the past. Otherwise, the sensible plan is to go with a group, make noise, and stay close together. The word out here is, don't let your cats outside, and don't keep your dog chained by the house, however, as cougars will go after small pets. Smart people don't leave messy barbecue grills outside, either, as the smell attracts them. Bears are common out here, and people who expect that they might encounter them generally take bear spray.

My road is well-settled, but there are kazillions of miles/km of forested mountains in two other directions from my house.

You have said your home is on a "well-settled" road with "kazillions of miles/km of forested mountains in two other directions".

Obviously, your neighborhood scene is very different from that of City dwellers for whom continual camera surveillance and potential danger from "suspicious packages" is indeed very real.

There is no camera surveillance where your home is. That's why you say, and think, that there is therefore no surveillance anywhere - because, for you there is none...

but for City dwellers - there most definitely is - continual daily, hourly, surveillance of their lives.

How about one of you conspiracy theorists astral project your way into CIA headquarters and afterwards draw me a diagram and a few pictures of how utterly simple the system is and how easy it is for people to take advantage of us.Of course there are genuine conspiracies, but they don't sound like the plot to a bad thriller. The fact that bad thrillers seem to be more interesting than real life to most people is another story entirely...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGg-rS26c4&feature=fvwrel

 

[Zonark]

How about one of you conspiracy theorists astral project your way into CIA headquarters and afterwards draw me a diagram and a few pictures of how utterly simple the system is and how easy it is for people to take advantage of us. Of course there are genuine conspiracies, but they don't sound like the plot to a bad thriller. The fact that bad thrillers seem to be more interesting than real life to most people is another story entirely...

Don't be silly, the CIA protect their headquarters with wards designed to keep astral intrusions out. The Pentagon does this too, it being shaped like a gigantic magical seal and all

 

[waybread]

Well I started the thread so I do feel obliged to read your postings Waybread.

You keep asking whether we've signed up to google/facebook, etc. Well my Mercury in Scorpio considers that to be my business, not yours. But you can use your imagination to guess the answer.

It is apparent to me that governments everywhere are tightening the screws on their citizens in many ways. If people are unaware of this, then they're simply not looking at the websites that reveal what's going on.

They don't need employees everywhere to do this. They just need the supercomputers they undoubtedly have to draw together the threads of our lives and compile a dossier on anyone they choose to look at. They can filter everything and determine whether somebody is worthy of their attention at any particular time. I don't believe they are specifically watching "me" at all moments, but should I write something they deem of interest out here on the web, then I see no reason why they wouldn't or couldn't turn their gaze in my direction and using their own databases, swiftly pull up a factsheet on who I am.

You know, Sweatpea, maybe you should move to Canada. Look into the immigration requirements. About the scariest thing we have to look at up here is out-of-control ice hockey violence and whether the NDP party can get its act together sufficiently to be a viable political force.

Of course it's NOMB whether you have signed away your privacy rights to Google without batting an eyelash!!! Or to any of the social networking sites or blogs whose fine-print so-called "privacy" policies mean they can do anything they want with your data. I just don't fathom why people who happily give away their privacy rights to commercial enterprises should worry about the CIA-- which is basically focused on overseas issues, anyhow.

I have huge concerns about my personal privacy, incidentally. This is why I do not post my birth data, email address, or photos on this forum. I do not appear on Facebook or any other social networking site, have a personal website, or answer telephone surveys. I do not give out my phone number or postal code to clerks who ask for it. I have just one credit card in order to minimize the chance of identity theft.

It is funny that I should do all these things, yet not worry about Big Brother in the CIA monitoring my every move.

I blush to mention this, but somebody has to read all these alleged dossiers, and make sense of them after the computers collate and spew out the data on something on the order of 250 million Americans. Who does this? Count up the number of CIA employees and multiply by their average work-week, backing out the ones who mop the floors and serve as cultural attaches in Malawi.

BTW, my husband has Mercury in Scorpio, and he has no patience with conspiracy theories.

Zonark, you're a real sweetie. I knew that all along.

 

[waybread]

JA, I just love it when you think you've gotten a real "gotcha!" moment at me with one of your posts! Your latest one is more ingenious than most, although it creeps me out a bit. I mean, do you work for the CIA, such that you would keep a dossier of my old posts??? Do you have all of them catalogued on an electronic dossier of the sort that Sweet Pea warned me about?

I do live in a rather remote rural area surrounded my wildlife. Just the day before yesterday, we saw an elk, deer, and wild turkeys (the winged sort) along the highway. But a couple of things.

1. They do let us out occasionally. I get into urban areas periodically. I spent most of my life in the city prior to my retirement. So I am well aware of surveillance cameras.

Gosh! Do you think the CIA got hold of the surveillance tapes from my last trip to Costco? Also, we have a couple of supermarkets in our nearest town, as well as some convenience stores with gas pumps. I haven't checked to see if they have surveillance cameras to catch shop-lifters or gas thieves, but I'll look, next time. Maybe I'll try to find out if they sent my footage to the RCMP or the Pentagon.

Are you saying that the CIA is tapping store cameras designed to catch shop-lifters, even if nobody shop-lifted? Frankly, you have more to worry about from the store where you made your purchase selling info on your purchasing habits to third parties.

2. I probably follow more USD and international news than most people on this thread. To use an analogy, JA-- have you ever had a baby? If not, could you nevertheless inform yourself about the birth process by reading up on it, watching videos of labour and delivery, and talking to mothers? You don't have to experience something first-hand to keep informed about it.

I have also travelled extensively in Israel. There is one country where suspicious packages could be bombs, and every school kid is taught what to do if s/he sees one.

3. Rural areas are not crime free. Western Canada has a lot of grow-ops (recently, one of them was busted on our road,) both interior and big acreages in the "bush", and organized crime has moved into some towns in our region to capitalize on this "green agriculture".

No doubt we experience surveillance from Google Earth (Drat! Google again!) and US spy satellites.

But JA-- if you are under constant surveillance every moment of your life-- how is this possible? I didn't worry about this inside my own home when I was a city dweller. I mean, you're not in jail or something, are you? The CIA isn't bugging your house, is it? Just close the blinds and unplug your toaster.

Frankly, most people lead such boring lives that whoever has the unenviable job of viewing all this spy material probably dies from sheer boredom at an early age.

 

[JUPITERASC]

I have huge concerns about my personal privacy, incidentally. This is why I do not post my birth data, email address, or photos on this forum.

Your concern does not apparently extend to or include others since you have in the past requested/encouraged members to post their birth data

I do not appear on Facebook or any other social networking site, have a personal website, or answer telephone surveys. I do not give out my phone number or postal code to clerks who ask for it. I have just one credit card in order to minimize the chance of identity theft.

It is funny that I should do all these things, yet not worry about Big Brother in the CIA monitoring my every move.

Funny indeed... did you ever consider the career of a comedienne?

JA, I just love it when you think you've gotten a real "gotcha!" moment at me with one of your posts! Your latest one is more ingenious than most, although it creeps me out a bit. I mean, do you work for the CIA, such that you would keep a dossier of my old posts??? Do you have all of them catalogued on an electronic dossier of the sort that Sweet Pea warned me about?

Whatever turns you on... Definitely a comedienne...

As a contributor on that thread I simply recalled your comments and then quoted them, rather than just 'give the general idea' - this is an astrological forum is it not and in that case quoting posts is neither unusual nor 'creepy'. If you're that easily 'creeped out' and/or dislike the idea of your posts being quoted for reference on an online forum, then the remedy is obvious - do not make any

I do live in a rather remote rural area surrounded my wildlife. Just the day before yesterday, we saw an elk, deer, and wild turkeys (the winged sort) along the highway.

Your neighbourhood then is confirmed as definitely remote rural and so you would not experience electronic surveillance - other than that from cougars/bears/elk/deer/wild turkeys and their ilk

Gosh! Do you think the CIA got hold of the surveillance tapes from my last trip to Costco? Also, we have a couple of supermarkets in our nearest town, as well as some convenience stores with gas pumps. I haven't checked to see if they have surveillance cameras to catch shop-lifters or gas thieves, but I'll look, next time. Maybe I'll try to find out if they sent my footage to the RCMP or the Pentagon.

Are you saying that the CIA is tapping store cameras designed to catch shop-lifters, even if nobody shop-lifted?

As I say, consider being a comedienne IMO you'd be very successful

Frankly, you have more to worry about from the store where you made your purchase selling info on your purchasing habits to third parties.

So you think this could be a cause for concern/worry after all...

2. I probably follow more USD and international news than most people on this thread.

Where's your evidence?

To use an analogy, JA-- have you ever had a baby? If not, could you nevertheless inform yourself about the birth process by reading up on it, watching videos of labour and delivery, and talking to mothers? You don't have to experience something first-hand to keep informed about it.

You claim that "one does not have to experience something first-hand to keep informed about it"

NEVERTHELESS

I would assume that the process of giving birth is considered by most sensible people as being very different from watching videos of labour/delivery

THEREFORE - to use an analogy then -

unless you have lived 365 days a year for many years as a City dweller you have no experience of life lived under continual electronic surveillance

No doubt we experience surveillance from Google Earth (Drat! Google again!) and US spy satellites.

Are you aware of the fine detail spy satellites are capable of detecting?

But JA-- if you are under constant surveillance every moment of your life-- how is this possible?

Overplaying the innocent act IMO. You are well aware of online electronic surveillance.

It is obvious that your life is - as you have said - spent in a remote rural location so cannot have any comprehension of life for those who are located in Towns/Cities where electronic surveillance is rife and constant in one form or another.

I didn't worry about this inside my own home when I was a city dweller. I mean, you're not in jail or something, are you? The CIA isn't bugging your house, is it? Just close the blinds and unplug your toaster.

Your attempts at humor are most amusing, which of course is the intention of humor

Frankly, most people lead such boring lives that whoever has the unenviable job of viewing all this spy material probably dies from sheer boredom at an early age.

That's another of those sweeping generalizations you are so fond of... unless of course you are watching.

So you assume most people lead boring lives?... speak for yourself

 

[JUPITERASC]

You know what? This is just funny now. Should we all keep acting as if opinions mean something? Not today. Today, I feel like giving the world the finger, cackling like a madman, and dancing in the ashes of a fallen society. You want to keep shoring up a broken and corrupt system? Fine! It will tumble down on top of you and I will be dancing over there when it happens. This world is made of dust. Everything that is important to you doesn't really exist and you will find this out when it all blows away. The hilarious part is that there is absolutely nothing anyone here can do to change it! Here's your only real choice: laugh or cry. It's all going away, kids. Plan on it.

*releases over-the-top, ridiculous laughter and skips freely out of the room*

See you on the other side!

Well said Mark... chuckling...

 

[waybread]

Your concern does not apparently extend to or include others since you have in the past requested/encouraged members to post their birth data

Funny indeed... did you ever consider the career of a comedienne?

Whatever turns you on... Definitely a comedienne...

As a contributor on that thread I simply recalled your comments and then quoted them, rather than just 'give the general idea' - this is an astrological forum is it not and in that case quoting posts is neither unusual nor 'creepy'. If you're that easily 'creeped out' and/or dislike the idea of your posts being quoted for reference on an online forum, then the remedy is obvious - do not make any

Your neighbourhood then is confirmed as definitely remote rural and so you would not experience electronic surveillance - other than that from cougars/bears/elk/deer/wild turkeys and their ilk


As I say, consider being a comedienne IMO you'd be very successful


So you think this could be a cause for concern/worry after all...


Where's your evidence?

You claim that "one does not have to experience something first-hand to keep informed about it"

NEVERTHELESS

I would assume that the process of giving birth is considered by most sensible people as being very different from watching videos of labour/delivery

THEREFORE - to use an analogy then -

unless you have lived 365 days a year for many years as a City dweller you have no experience of life lived under continual electronic surveillance


Are you aware of the fine detail spy satellites are capable of detecting?


Overplaying the innocent act IMO. You are well aware of online electronic surveillance.

It is obvious that your life is - as you have said - spent in a remote rural location so cannot have any comprehension of life for those who are located in Towns/Cities where electronic surveillance is rife and constant in one form or another.


Your attempts at humor are most amusing, which of course is the intention of humor


That's another of those sweeping generalizations you are so fond of... unless of course you are watching.

So you assume most people lead boring lives?... speak for yourself

JA-- is this an attacking post, in your ongoing attempt to catch me at (gasp, shock, shudder) some kind of inconsistency? Or is your stockpile of quotes from my past yet more evidence that you do work for the CIA and I am under your surveillance? Let me know if so, so I can report it to the mods. Assuming you are posting in a light-hearted spirit of a fun debate, I reply.

1. Nobody has to post her chart! This is why I ask if people are willing to post their charts. If not, no problem. Although I choose not to post my chart, I respect that others may make different decisions about their birth data than I do.

2. JA, where is your sense of humour? Surely you are familiar with irony and satire! Indeed, I can see that you are actually attempting to create some satire yourself. If you keep at it, you will probably improve with practice.

3. Nobody else that I've come across on this forum runs through old posts looking for "gotcha!" moments the way you do. Maybe I should be flattered by your attentions, JA. At least somebody re-reads my old stuff.

4. You have demonstrated that you haven't read my previous posts. Probably I am under a surveillance camera every time I go to my local supermarket or gas station. Google Earth photographs my roof top. Maybe it's examined by people who process satellite data of my area. But so what? I lived in cities most of my life. Unless you're close to my age (early 60s), I probably lived in cities for more total days than you have.

But this is hardly significant. Why?

I have to break it to you gently, but unless you have lived in a small community yourself, you have no idea what surveillance by your neighbours really is. You've heard about small-town gossip? A major source of conversation out here is about the doings of our other neighbours. If I leave my driveway and see a neighbour, I feel socially obligated to say where I'm going. But it's not all bad by any means. We look out for one another, count on one another, and know we can call upon one another in times of need.

In contrast, I often didn't know my urban neighbours, and they evinced little interest in getting to know us.

But gosh, JA-- d'ya think maybe my rural neighbours report my movements to the CIA? A few posts ago, you were concerned about neighbours spying on neighbours.

What isn't clear is why you think you are under constant surveillance in your own home, nor who is doing what with your data. But don't say I didn't warn you to unplug your toaster.

JA, the rest of your post is so utterly silly that I really do believe you are trying to brighten up my evening by giving me a good chuckle. Sort of like Mark does. Hey, thanks. It's so thoughtful of you. Always welcome.