Mars in Pisces

[waybread]

LMA, I just looked at this man's chart more carefully. I don't know what is your synastry, but I note that with his sun conjunct Uranus and moon in Aries, he really values his independence. If he thinks you're leaning on him too much, his inclination is probably to want to break free.

I find the Mercury-Mars square to be a bit wide, but if we start looking at sign rulers, we start to find more involvement between the two. But as Friesiangal pointed out, we can consider Mercury to be unaspected. An unaspected planet is a kind of "wild child" in the chart, because it doesn't get socialized by its fellow planets. It doesn't have to answer to them.

With the Jupiter involvement, he may have a tendency to exaggerate. I note that Neptune is well aspected.

 

[LovelyMissAries]

Katydid, just to keep on entertaining you two, you really need to see what else is going on in the chart of your Pisces Mars acquaintances. I know you're a good enough astrologer to do that. Again, look at Mercury. Maybe there's some affliction going on with Neptune, but a well aspected Neptune, as the modern ruler of Pisces, probably doesn't give a congenital liar.

I also wonder whether you're a Scorpio (I honestly don't recall seeing your chart,) or whether LMA might have a Scorpio moon or a troubled Venus or something. I mention Scorpio because it loves having its own secrets, but wants to ferret out other people's; and is inclined to jealousy and the desire for control in a relationship.

Sometimes it is entirely appropriate for other people just to say, "back off!" or to decline to answer a question that they find too intrusive. Some people value their privacy and do not feel the need to tell an invasive questioner everything she wants to hear. If they do not wish to confront the questioner, perhaps out of sensitivity to her feelings, she may well find them evasive, but really she was the insensitive one.

Not everyone enjoys being monitored. I don't blame them. Consequently I don't find Pisces people to be "evasive, nebulous [with a ]kind of shady energy,...'squishy.'" I find them to be more private and sensitive than most; often idealistic.

But compared to a sun-Mercury Aries or a moon in Scorpio or a brash and brassy Sagittarian, well sure. These types tend to be either very direct; or in the case of Scorpio, they want to know your secrets without revealing any of their own.

If any of these shoes fit.....

Thank you for the entertainment, Waybread. Loving it.

 

[waybread]

And so you should.

Hey, it's your "relationship." And your edition of astrology.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

Point of Departure

Hello everyone,

To the individual on this thread who states vehemently that Mars has nothing to do with liars, I here quote Sir William Lilly on the manners of an ill-dignified Mars:

Then he is a prattler without modesty or honesty, a lover of slaughter and quarrels, murder, thievery, a promoter of sedition, frays [36] , and commotions, and highway-thief, as wavering as the wind, a traitor, of turbulent spirit, perjurer, obscene, rash, inhumane, neither fearing God or caring for man, unthankful, treacherous, oppressors, ravenous, cheater, furious, violent

So we see that at least one prestigious astrologer disagrees with the statement that Mars doesn't have anything to do with being a liar.

Keeping the record straight,
Frater CT

 

[Bunraku]

Re: Point of Departure

So Mars is the malefic of the chart, I suppose?
Chart: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=62925&d=1474629338
Traditionalist, do yo thang.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

Mars is peregrine and is the main malefic of the chart. Some of those words are likely to describe him. Add in the high mutability and I could see this guy having legitimate lying tendencies.

 

[Bunraku]

Great! Mine is well dignified, essentially and accidentally.

Manners when dignified (Lilly):

Manners when well dignified - In feats of war and courage invincible, scorning that any should exceed him; subject to no reason, bold, confident ,immoveable, contentious, challenging all honour to themselves ; valiant lovers of war and things pertaining thereto, hazarding himself in all perils unwilling to obey or submit to anybody; a boaster of his own acts; one that slights all things in comparison of victory and yet of prudent behaviour in his own affairs

When ill dignified (Lilly again)

When ill dignified - Then he is a prattler without modesty or honesty; a lover of slaughter and quarrels, murder, thievery, a promoter of sedition, frays, and commotions; an highway thief, as wavering as the wind, a traitor, of turbulent spirit, perjured, obscene, rash, inhuman neither fearing God nor caring for man ; unthankful ,treacherous, oppressors, ravenous, cheaters, furious and violent

More of Lilly

When evil aspects are found between the Moon Mars and Mercury the native is inclined to dishonesty. The Moon in good aspect to Mars gives courage and if Mars be evilly affected by other planets boldness and impudence

 

[conspiracy theorist]

Check out your Venus and Jupiter too. Those also have nice dignity.

My Mars is only decently dignified being in its bound. I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.

 

[Bunraku]

Your Mars is angular, and therefore, per modern astrology standards, is in your direct awareness. It brings trouble out in the open, but also your capacity to handle it. Behaviors can be edited and modified or curbed to an extent with such reasoning. Anyways, it’s still a malefic.
At least it’s not stuck in a cadent house. Believe it or not, it does quite well in succedent houses.

If you want to hear why, just ring.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

*brrrrrriiiiiiing*

 

[Bunraku]

Nah too tired.
Tomorrow maybe.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

Nah too tired.
Tomorrow maybe.

What a strong Mars you got there

 

[Bunraku]

What a strong Mars you got there

My Venus took over.

Mars in its throne knows how to conserve resources and go to war once its resources are back to its optimal condition

 

[Frisiangal]

Sibilyne (or others) - if Pluto strengthens Mars, does Mars sextiling Neptune neutralize that strength just because it's softer? What about the fact some aspects are applying and some are separating, does that add or take away strength?

This part of your 'lying' query seems to have gone unanswered. I can only offer suggestions through the non-traditional astrology school of thought through which I was taught. From the traditional point of view, Neptune and Pluto have no place in astrological interpretation.

Using chart provided as merely an example:
As a sextile aspect has a max. orb of 4 degrees of exactitude 'to work', Neptune would not be considered as being sextile Mars for those who use such orbs.

Mars's motion is not only faster than Pluto, it is also ahead of it in the zodiac. In positive or 'soft' aspect, this suggests that the function of the slower planet is already inherent within the individual and the faster planet 'pulls' its function along with it. According to house positions the function may be inwardly or outwardly expressed.

Mars is 'separating' from Pluto and 'outgoing' from it because it is on a higher degree. This suggests that Mars has acquired the 'talents' inherent in Pluto and can use its quality fully in its own (assertive) actions. Had Mars been on a lower degree than Pluto, it would still have to reach exactitude of degree to it. Its actions would be less fully persuasive, so to speak.

Had Mars been behind Pluto, it would have been 'applying' to it, whereby Pluto's qualities would most likely be experienced in and through someone/something outside itself, yet that strengthen Mars's own active quality. The 'ingoing' and 'outgoing' division would see the necessity within the aspect being fulfilled.

Other planets in the aspect add their own influence of course.

 

[katydid]

Katydid, just to keep on entertaining you two, you really need to see what else is going on in the chart of your Pisces Mars acquaintances. I know you're a good enough astrologer to do that. Again, look at Mercury. Maybe there's some affliction going on with Neptune, but a well aspected Neptune, as the modern ruler of Pisces, probably doesn't give a congenital liar.

I also wonder whether you're a Scorpio (I honestly don't recall seeing your chart,) or whether LMA might have a Scorpio moon or a troubled Venus or something. I mention Scorpio because it loves having its own secrets, but wants to ferret out other people's; and is inclined to jealousy and the desire for control in a relationship.

Sometimes it is entirely appropriate for other people just to say, "back off!" or to decline to answer a question that they find too intrusive. Some people value their privacy and do not feel the need to tell an invasive questioner everything she wants to hear. If they do not wish to confront the questioner, perhaps out of sensitivity to her feelings, she may well find them evasive, but really she was the insensitive one.

Not everyone enjoys being monitored. I don't blame them. Consequently I don't find Pisces people to be "evasive, nebulous [with a ]kind of shady energy,...'squishy.'" I find them to be more private and sensitive than most; often idealistic.

But compared to a sun-Mercury Aries or a moon in Scorpio or a brash and brassy Sagittarian, well sure. These types tend to be either very direct; or in the case of Scorpio, they want to know your secrets without revealing any of their own.

If any of these shoes fit.....

The bolded part above is very revealing. It seems that Mars in Pisces is leaking through. It is the squishiness I was referring to earlier...[ " Gee, I can't recall if you are a Scorpio or not, but IF you are then maybe this is all projection...If the shoes fit, and all that ..." totally Pisces...] LOL

That is a perfect illustration of passive/aggressive Piscean energy at work, in my humble Scorpionic opinion..

 

[LovelyMissAries]

The bolded part above is very revealing. It seems that Mars in Pisces is leaking through. It is the squishiness I was referring to earlier...[ " Gee, I can't recall if you are a Scorpio or not, but IF you are then maybe this is all projection...If the shoes fit, and all that ..." totally Pisces...] LOL

That is a perfect illustration of passive/aggressive Piscean energy at work, in my humble Scorpionic opinion..

You're a Scorpio, Katy?

 

[sibylline]

Sibilyne (or others) - if Pluto strengthens Mars, does Mars sextiling Neptune neutralize that strength just because it's softer? What about the fact some aspects are applying and some are separating, does that add or take away strength?

I did miss this comment because it was written at the time I logged off so it didn't show up in "New Posts".

My view is different from Frisiangal's and I don't think a separating aspect makes much of a practical difference in natal. Of course all else being equal, the applying aspect is stronger, but rarely are things equal. The degrees from exactitude make far more of a difference, IME. And no, aspects don't neutralize each other but add layers.

 

[LovelyMissAries]

I did miss this comment because it was written at the time I logged off so it didn't show up in "New Posts".

My view is different from Frisiangal's and I don't think a separating aspect makes much of a practical difference in natal. Of course all else being equal, the applying aspect is stronger, but rarely are things equal. The degrees from exactitude make far more of a difference, IME. And no, aspects don't neutralize each other but add layers.

It's okay, thank both you and Frisiangel for clarifying.

 

[sibylline]

So, because you don't agree with my interpretation of a *facet* of a sign - that's bad astrology? Interesting.

You calling me a liar?!?!?

Not that I would care. I've been studying astrology long enough to hear the many views people have of Pisces and I find it all very interesting.

Based on following posts, it seems people say it isn't that Pisces is deceitful but that it can be. So my question is if it's that Pisces energy can tend to deceit, can't any? Or is there something about Pisces energy that makes it more prone and in a hierarchy of deception would Pisces be at the top?

 

[LovelyMissAries]

You calling me a liar?!?!?

Not that I would care. I've been studying astrology long enough to hear the many views people have of Pisces and I find it all very interesting.

Based on following posts, it seems people say it isn't that Pisces is deceitful but that it can be. So my question is if it's that Pisces energy can tend to deceit, can't any? Or is there something about Pisces energy that makes it more prone and in a hierarchy of deception would Pisces be at the top?

Lol. Yes any can, and throughout this I've stated over and over again how Pisces doesn't ALWAYS exhibit this quality. Funny though lately a lot of Pisces people have been the most offended at my posts. BUT, to clarify, yes to the hierarchy theory.