Martin Schulman's book on the Moon's Nodes-anybody?

[WHYNOT]

Hi all,

I'm hoping/ wishing to find an astrologer who uses /is well acquainted with this book, who might be able to shed light on/help interpret some phrases in it- the meaning of which have always eluded me. ( re my own chart)..

I'd love to ask the author himself..but how? -esp when living on other side of the world.

I did come across a post somewhere on this site, in the recent past wherein someone mentioned that they use this book, -but because I was focused on something else at the time - I didn't note who/where..Now of course, to find it again would be like looking for a needle in a haystack!

Keeping my fingers crossed that this will draw somebody out of the woodwork..!

 

[WHYNOT]

Hi Whynot,

I own the set. They are interesting, my favourite is the nodes. If you are looking to look into the dark and the light of you then he is for you. Either way, I can answer something for you. I will be extremely busy this weekend though, be patient and I will be back.

Oh my lucky stars!! (Maybe because Jupiter is transit my 9th house currently..?!) I can hardly believe my luck just now,- esp to get an instant reply!!!

Thank you Opal!
I don't mind how long I have to wait..!

 

[Frisiangal]

Hi,
Like Opal I have the set of Karmic Astrology, of which The Nodes became an astrological bible for many years. It hits the nail on the head each time. What i found most interesting was, when reading 'deeper' into the words you can see how it's not only the nodal axis that plays itself out or planets to it, but also how each sign/house on the same cross as the nodes is indirectly affected.

One of the members here was a student of Schulman. Rahu specialises in the nodes.

Schulman died in 2015.

 

[WHYNOT]

Are you able to look at your negative side? What are your Nodes? What houses? How old are you?

Then I can start reading for a summary.

Absolutely I am. I've done a lot of painful "surgery" on myself already in recent years to expose. I'm Scorpio too..

My Nodes : North Node in both Scorpio and 8th house.
Age 62

I would make a good case study ..But I don't like undressing in public. Lol.

I must tell you, I bought this book whilst in my late 20's. I had developed an interest in astrology by then, (somehow,& for some reason) and began collecting books whenever I came across them. When I looked up my Nodal positions at that time and read what it said...I felt so shocked, and fell into a deep depression. (I'm sure you will understand why). It haunted me forever after that, felt my life was cursed! Worst of all I couldn't make sense of much of it back then..Read it through so many times, I could recite entire phrases..
I never learned how to synthesise charts but I did use astrology to help me understand life & people better. (funny it even mentions this in Schulmans node book)

Of course, decades later, looking back, I see lots of truths, and have a better perspective..
I just wish he had written his material in a much clearer style so I could have had some foresight
I know I have to burn off some karma, in next few years. I want to stop living in fear of what might happen..
There are still lines in the book that I don't understand, and I want to get it right.

 

[WHYNOT]

Hi,
Like Opal I have the set of Karmic Astrology, of which The Nodes became an astrological bible for many years. It hits the nail on the head each time. What i found most interesting was, when reading 'deeper' into the words you can see how it's not only the nodal axis that plays itself out or planets to it, but also how each sign/house on the same cross as the nodes is indirectly affected.

One of the members here was a student of Schulman. Rahu specialises in the nodes.

Schulman died in 2015.

OMG! I still harbored a hope of writing to him one day..
Ah.. I know Rahu by many of his posts. He has always struck me as incredibly talented & wealth of knowledge. So - he was a student of his?!!!!

I appreciate your comment Frisiangal! What you say is true. Unfortunately I have never learned how to synthesise charts.( get overwhelmed by the myriads of factors)

 

[Frisiangal]

Ah.. I know Rahu by many of his posts. He has always struck me as incredibly talented & wealth of knowledge. So - he was a student of his?!!!!

I don't know. I was thinking of someone else.

My Nodes : North Node in both Scorpio and 8th house.

If I remember, doesn't Schulman actually state in the section on Taurus-Scorpio that it is the most difficult axis to access? It's the relationship between water(emotional) feeling upon Earth manifestation.
I have something similar with a SN in Capricorn to N.N Cancer across 5th-11th houses!
The additional 'pull' of Mars and Pluto conjunctions either side of N.N has not been easy, yet so significant of effects throughout life.

 

[Sunny]

Here I hesitated a little time to answer on your question because I don't want to deceive some members with my opinion about Schulmann Nodes theory.
Personnally I couldn't see any ressemblance with what he is writing and with what the reality is corresponding. It's just like, that you get a hat , will say some judgements for you coming outside from someone and with which you cannot identify yourself. Even I find it's dangerous to oblige people who are unknown for you to tell them such handicaping behaviour when you don't see the other person in face of you. Really, with too much words you can destroy people for a long time and this isn't legitim for me.
Sorry for my criticisme for those who are in admiration for this Schulman's book.

Sunny

 

[Sunny]

Piercethevale, please could you clean some space in your PM? I want to send you a message.
Thank you in advance!
Sunny

 

[Sunny]

Your reaction on my demand is very clear, thank you.
No, there is no urgency and what I wished to send you needs no answer. I understand you,

Sunny

 

[WHYNOT]

Piercethevale you have posted a huge amount of material here which is not relevant to what I was asking for.
You didn't read my original post through properly, nor the replies following, including the one from Opal who said he/she might be getting back.. !

 

[WHYNOT]

Piercethevale

1) I started this thread hoping to find someone - who could help me decipher the meaning behind CERTAIN SPECIFIC LINES in Schulmans book (pertaining to the nodal positions in my own chart).

2) The large volume of material you have posted is superfluous and irrelevant to my request

2) I'm not at all interested in Sabian Symbols at this time!

3) (I'm not trying to be an astrologer!)

The thing is, that I'm currently just not able to mentally process large amounts of information that I'm completely unfamiliar with. My mind feels on overload .

 

[Sunny]

@Piercethevale
No problem! it's all right!

@Opal

most people only want to read how nice they are.....or innocent of anything they are......or how many kids or spouses they will have......they do not want to use what astrology has to offer....

Yes, I agree with you, but this are often only the first steps when you enter in astrology when one want to discover himself in his youth and not for them who are advanced in self-criticisme.
In every case I wouldn't say such things like Schulman suggestes in face to other people because you never know if the person in front of you is able to bear this at the time where he stays in his mind. I hope you'll understand what I mean.
And then, and this is my very personal opinion, I am not favorable to detect and to impose a personality to someone so that he is feeling a stranger to himself. Astrology has to open our mind for what is being so that the person can understand and do the necessary for himself in the way of progressing his personnality. And yes, negative points are also welcome in this case. We are not flattering our narcissisme, I think so.

Two things for me are important in practicising astrology: 1) Astrology is not a machine to satisfy ones curiosity, and 2) Astrology must not be an arme how to crush someone. And finally you have always to question you, who is judging your chart, yes, that is also very important for me.

So, Opal; if you want to send me a PM, that's okay, feel free!

Sunny

 

[Frisiangal]

1) I started this thread hoping to find someone - who could help me decipher the meaning behind CERTAIN SPECIFIC LINES in Schulmans book (pertaining to the nodal positions in my own chart).

Hi again,
If you say which nodal axis you have and the specific lines you refer to, I can dig out my copy and offer comments regarding what I would understand their meaning to impart. …...which might be different to someone else's. It depends upon what one (mis)reads into words.

I would agree that many might have difficulty with the nodal meaning; others see it as something understood and (automatically) followed. Remember that the Moon's node position is where Moon's orbit makes 'contact' and meets with the Sun's ecliptical path, yet not (necessarily) with the Sun itself.
There is a theme there.

Although I also agree with Sunny that no one knows one's self better than themselves, self denial can play a part in whether Schulman's interpretations are deemed to be accurate or not (same with his Retrogrades book!!). Yet one could say the same about a minister giving his Sunday sermon.

 

[Sunny]

Frisiangal, you are welcome! Especially your remarkds about this:

" the Moon's node position is where Moon's orbit makes 'contact' and meets with the Sun's ecliptical path, yet not (necessarily) with the Sun itself"

I am just in that kind of "wedding" between the Moon and the Sun - but I would now like to see this in our pysical world - what kind of light is this giving to us etc.
Don't worry, my little "synchronicity" of today.

 

[WHYNOT]

Hi again,
If you say which nodal axis you have and the specific lines you refer to, I can dig out my copy and offer comments regarding what I would understand their meaning to impart. …...which might be different to someone else's. It depends upon what one (mis)reads into words.

I would agree that many might have difficulty with the nodal meaning; others see it as something understood and (automatically) followed. Remember that the Moon's node position is where Moon's orbit makes 'contact' and meets with the Sun's ecliptical path, yet not (necessarily) with the Sun itself.
There is a theme there.

Although I also agree with Sunny that no one knows one's self better than themselves, self denial can play a part in whether Schulman's interpretations are deemed to be accurate or not (same with his Retrogrades book!!). Yet one could say the same about a minister giving his Sunday sermon.

Well, just for now, I'm looking at the "Scorpio North Node - Taurus South Node section in the book.
There is a paragraph starting - "As he reaches for his Scorpio North Node..."

1) "how to cut ties cleanly" - What sort of ties does he mean?

2) "so that he does not walk into the future with both feet tied to the past"

Well I'm still haunted by some disasterous choices I made years ago.
I don't understand that line..

3) -"His biggest growth occurs when he is able to let go"

Let go of what?? Let go in what way?

4) "..as he slowly discards from his consciousness all that oppresses him"

This is so general I can't understand what he's referring to

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Oh- And 5) ..How do I know when I'm "reaching for my North Node" ? What does this even mean??

I just can't tell you how it drives me crazy to still not be able to understand this material in a way that I get a "light bulb moment". And its been decades that I've looked into his book.

Thank you in advance for any input/comments..!!

 

[Frisiangal]

WHYNOT; This is so general I can't understand what he's referring to

This is why a chart is so helpful in understanding better. General comments can be more personally applied because aspects made in the chart and house realms involved would usually suggest how a theme is playing itself out …. in this case the nodal axis across 2nd-8th houses in Taurus-Scorpio.
Would you be willing to offer a chart or complete birth data; date, place and time of birth?

I don't want to take over from Opal, yet you mentioned being a Sun in Scorpio.
If Sun is conjunct the NN it would suggest that life's intent goes very deep in order to be achieved.
A hint could be that Scorpio is a FIXED sign, and is anything but superficial of character. It holds on to everything in an emotional manner, whether slight or joy.

Taurus is also on the FIXED cross and deals with the physically tangible in life. That which is physically visible through the 5 senses; touch, taste, sight, smell, and hearing.
Both signs deal with 'values'.
Maybe it's a question of realising and combining what is really of value in life to you? The colours in a ranbow can be just as beautiful as the pot of gold supposedly found at the end ot it?????

 

[WHYNOT]

I greatly welcome your input also Frisiangal and thank you for your comment!
After such a long long time - of wishing I had more clarity - It felt like a lucky surprise to have had my post responded to so soon.
Its all about divine timing I see. ( Has to be Jupiter transiting my 9th - right?)
You're right I'm hardly superficial ..and been holding on ..unable to forgive myself.
And yes my values ..
What painful lessons..

 

[Sunny]

Opal, I am not asking, just giving my comments. Yes, I have the book, bought it several years ago. And you are right, positive and negative are always together.

 

[piercethevale]

Do not discount the value of the Sabian’s andPiercethevale he has a lot of knowledge and the sabians could be very useful to you pinpointing by degree your nodes......

Thank you, Opal.
I just deleted all of my posts as I came to a realization that they were too long winded and shouldn't have been posted to begin with.

I had the intent of writing something brief as to what a few astrologers opinions were as to whether they effected anyone specifically or whether generally as many have claimed that the outer planets, the trans-saturnians, are the be interpreted as for a generation of which one is a part of. Yet personal experience, and experience from doing interpretations for others, have given me cause to believe that they are both. Also, how all of that is determined and that the Nodes have been assessed to be the same by most astrologers and that I too find them to be as like the outermost planets.

...and that I also have found that they give indication through the symbology for the degree the North Node is in at anytime to be indicating what the sum of all the astrological activity at that time is also ultimately contributing to...and, as sometimes happens, I find it to be difficult to keep it concise.

 

[WHYNOT]

Thank you, Opal.
I just deleted all of my posts as I came to a realization that they were too long winded and shouldn't have been posted to begin with.

I had the intent of writing something brief as to what a few astrologers opinions were as to whether they effected anyone specifically or whether generally as many have claimed that the outer planets, the trans-saturnians, are the be interpreted as for a generation of which one is a part of. Yet personal experience, and experience from doing interpretations for others, have given me cause to believe that they are both. Also, how all of that is determined and that the Nodes have been assessed to be the same by most astrologers and that I too find them to be as like the outermost planets.

...and that I also have found that they give indication through the symbology for the degree the North Node is in at anytime to be indicating what the sum of all the astrological activity at that time is also ultimately contributing to...and, as sometimes happens, I find it to be difficult to keep it concise.

Piercethevale I do appreciate that what you had to say had merit but I just wasn't able to process it.
Now you have piqued my interest about Sabian degrees ..I never thought about it before.

My North Node ( in Scorpio & 8th house) degree is at 29 degrees , 01 minutes.
Would you kindly be able to give me your insights on it?