Thank you PierceTV, I'm sure others will find that useful too. I'm reasonably young so I don't think I can pinpoint love or profession as a strong theme in my life yet. I thought about solar arcs also, as ever some people swear by them and others not at all.
One more piece of the puzzle, I pestered my dad and he said he thinks I pressed the eject button 'around 4-5am'. Add 6-8 hours for subsequent pregnancy and that's 10am-1pm. I've a new hospital letter written requesting as much detail as possible. I'll get this eventually.
If by that you mean to say that some consider you to have been born premature ...I believe it doesn't matter... but, that's only due to what limited experience I have in X number of charts I've done over the years.
In Dane Rudhyar's book that He co authored with his 4th and last wife, Leyla Rael, "Astrological Aspects', which was published in 1985 when He was 84 or 85 [he was born March 23, 1895]] he wrote that in all the years he'd been doing charts he only had two people in his files that had a 'Grand Semi-Sextile' [Star of Solomon] in their natal charts. I came across no less than six that I recall from late 2001 to early 2007 [as that was a 'special time' for me...in the situation and living arrangements that were in that time period.] and I seem to remember there may be as many as eight.
Although I don't know whether Dane includes the Asc. as a 'qualifier' for one of the six points as I do [and if he didn't, it was only due to his lack of experience with the matrix as to 'direct experience'..as I won't be dissuaded that it isn't...
couldn't be dissuaded is the more correct term, in fact...and I also allow the Nodes and I don't know if Dane did..to that I may be in error...but even still that wouldn't be but one less from my total.].
It does come down to direct experience as far as what to truly believe...IMHO... you can only trust the so called Master Astrologers so far... [and there are some that are unable to follow them as far... and there's a couple/few of these so called Masters I don't think are worth following at all...but that's another thing altogether...or not.]
My astrological experience has been such that I'm fairly convinced that the birth time is...the moment the first breath is exhaled and the embryonic fluid is expelled... or what ever the nurses in the United States were basing these birth times on in the 1940s, 50s and 60s [as most of the charts I have done are for people in this age bracket...and was so nearly exclusively until I started these online endeavors in late 2008] seems to be right although I do believe that these nurses had a tendency to, 'round it up', as to the exact time...for the most part. Everything on birth certificates I've ever seen are only to 'the minute' and a difference of a minute amounts to... well, let me give my own as example...if not for you , as you have probably already figured this out for your own benefit..for anyone else that reads this that may wish to know.
I was born May 6 , 1953 in Glendale, [LA. Co.] Calif at, according to my birth certificate, 7:41 pm pdst.
A chart from astrodiest for that time produces and Asc. of 17* Scorpio 10' 22" and a M.C. of 24* Leo 20' 46". A chart for 7:40 pm [one minute earlier] produces an Asc. of 16* Scorpio 58' 01 and a M.C. of 24* Leo 05' 15".
That's 12' 21" difference between the Ascs. and 15' 31" for the M.C.s for 60 seconds of 'time'. Every 15 seconds rounded up that day around that time increased the error from true mark by 03' 04 plus" and the M.C. by 03' 48 plus"
When one is dealing with such subtle energies and sensitivities as the Sabian Symbols then it can be said that it's, "Nice to be Precise". Although in the matter of the two aforementioned Parts of mine they were so close to the cusp of the previous degree and given to the fact that these precepts of an influence given in form by the symbols do morph one into the next...as best as I can describe...or it may be best just to say, "Think analog not digital" as in "music recordings", as to how things in nature 'blend' one into the next.
I felt my M.C. shouldn't be changed nor my Part of Fortune at 24* Leo 58' 46" but the Asc. and Desc. symbol I never was truly comfortable with and allowed up to as much as need to be deducted there while retaining the integrity of the M.C. PoF. arrangement. This also change my Part of Hyleg from the 7th to the 6th degree of Capricorn and that was another symbol I had trouble dealing with as you can see for your self if you look up the 7th of Capricorn... It did however make mu Asc. and Part of Destiny 'One' ..and that's okay as either way I had the same symbol for the part of Destiny and it makes more sense to me to believe I was born what I was always destined to be... as one whom has lived through and seen what I have can only say...You got to live it to understand it [or believe it , for that matter.] ... either way...Part of Hyleg remaining the same or Asc. Part of Destiny being, 'One', it can, it does come off as pretty **** pretentious to most people...and I can't say I blame 'em either.
And
"There's the Rub" trying to get people to recognize, accept their veracity and utilize the symbols in interpretation... somebody confronted by...say for example the 21st degree of Sagittarius as their Part of Destiny...described by Dane Rudhyar as [from his book "An Astrological Mandala"];
"
A CHILD AND A DOG WEARING BORROWED EYEGLASSES.
KEYNOTE: The use of imagination and make-believe in anticipating higher stages of development.... [Dane's "Keyword{s} summation is...]
LEARNING THROUGH IMITATION."
...or something even more humble than that as there are symbols among the 360 that are...IMHO...
... People, for the most part in general, always seem to have pretty high opinions of themselves...and don't want to 'cop to' the truth... and the worst of them won't admit any validity to astrology at all! ...at least this has been my experience with Astrological analysis since I've been reading charts for people I know or knew the last 28 years... of whom nearly all were Americans and I hear we are the worst at being honest with ourselves...or 'way up there on the chart'.
one last thought..it did just occur to me that the Part of Catastrophe may be one to best judge if a chart needs rectification...at least those charts that willy only need enough time added or subtracted to change the degree of that Part to one lesser or greater.
My own Part......for President Obama, for 'Dubya'...they all are as obvious as the noses on our faces...[and if I may, once again mention, that Part of the same from the chart I've been claiming to be the true chart for Jesus/Yeshua
as the Part of Catastrophe for that chart is 27* Virgo 02' which is the 28th degree of Virgo and that is symbolized by the Sabians as [ibid.]:
"
A BALDHEADED MAN WHO HAS SEIZED POWER.
KEYNOTE: The sheer power of personality in times that call for decision.
Whether at the
religious or at the
socio-political and cultural
level there comes a time when
obsolescent patterns of order and cultural refinement have to be radically and relentlessly challenged. Catabolic personages emerge to seize power and dictate decisions that alter the structures of society; or within an individual life, an intense urge for cathartic changes mobilizes the will, and traumatic decisions are made. At such times, the issue has to be met and, ruthless as the power may appear, it must be accepted..."
That's why I was able to 'dial in' the birth time as close as I did... I was set on Pluto on the Asc. that day but that allowed about 4 minutes of lee way...it possibly can go back still as long as the Part is at 27* Virgo 00' 01" and no less...
...that is... if you can see what I mean about the Part of Catastrophe being so fitting ,as to what we do know for certain [from most all accounts and legends] about the Mans life....as the degree previous has to do with exhibiting "cultural refinement" and the later degree not being nearly as believable as the 28th of Virgo is, as to the opinions of most folk and of no qualification at all to the rest.
I know that all this does little good for someone that only knows they were 'Born in the daytime' or during some span of time that stretches hours...but if nothing else it is
one more speech ...appeal .... plea to all future parents...'Get the exact time and gps location of the birth of your babies!" ...as the gps issue is another thing I could go on about for a thousand words or more... See my contribution to 'The Correct natal chart for the modern nation of India for more about that..or what I've recently come up with and written about the natal chart for the nation of the USA..they both came down to my getting as precise a take on the actual capital of the time of the birth as it made 'THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE' of importance symbolically.
Eventually this will be understood, accepted and will utilized...and after that, until something even better for rectification comes along...if there be such ...there it will remain. [...IMHO...of course...]
I would just like to see it happen sooner than later...that's all.
