The Ascendant

[david starling]

The houses deal with mundane affairs, passing circumstances, the ephemeral.

The signs have to do with thee essence, the inherent, the enduring.

The Asc and MC are house-related, thus passing.

It is the Sun which establishes and rules over the ecliptic. All other bodies orbit Sun. Sun is Center, the eternal Fire and Light.

Mostly agree, except that the zodiac is Earth-centered, with a transiting Sun. I see the ecliptic as "belonging" to the Earth itself. Objectively speaking, the Sun's transit is tracking Earth's orbit around the Sun, and the ecliptic is the plane of Earth's orbit, projected out into space.
The Ascendant is the point where the Sun's transiting orbit intersects the Eastern horizon, making it the point of Sunrise, in any given location.

 

[greybeard]

We practice a geocentric astrology..."earth-centered". It is our only possible perspective.

The last two sentences of my post explain why I view Sun as "ruling" the ecliptic. Everything orbits Sun; he is central. The ecliptic is literally his creation, the disc of dust spun out of his body.

The horizon is earth-centered. It is generated from, has its center at, the point on which you stand. The earth and the person born are both found at the center of the chart; they are one and the same.

 

[david starling]

Each planet has its own ecliptic, and the zodiac we use is in the Earth's ecliptical plane. It's an Earth/Sun relationship, with the transiting Sun from the Geocentric perspective, marking Earth's orbital path in the Heliocentric.
The Ascendant is where the Geocentric solar path intersects the Earth's horizon as viewed from any given location.

 

[david starling]

I'm pretty sure that in Traditionalistic astrology, the Ascendant is a fixed point, and the Earth isn't seen as orbiting or rotating. Personally, I hold the Signs in place and the Ascendant is moving relative to them.

 

[greybeard]

Whatever you like

 

[david starling]

The Ascendant transits a Sign in approximately 2 hours. That's one degree in about 2 minutes. In contrast, the next fastest major indicator, the Moon, transits at the rate of about 3 degrees in 5 hours.

[correction]: Asc transits one degree in about 4 minutes, not 2. That's about 15 degrees per hour.

 

[david starling]

Like the Sun, the Ascendant is always in the plane of the Ecliptic.

 

[david starling]

Whatever you like

I do what best connects me to the Heavens. Same as you.

 

[greybeard]

The Asc moves, on average, one degree in 4 minutes, not 2.

The mean motion of the Moon is around 13°12' per day, 33' per hour (about one lunar diameter).

 

[david starling]

The word "horoscope", which means "watcher of the hour", specifically refers to the Asc, although it has become far more generalized.
Using that terminology, the Moon is "watcher" of the month, and the Sun is "watcher" of the year.

 

[JUPITERASC]

The word "horoscope",
which means "watcher of the hour",
specifically refers to the Asc, although
it has become far more generalized.

Hōroskopos literally means “hour-marker” aka ascendant/first house

Horoscopic astrology is a specific advanced astrology
developed Mediterranean region late Hellenistic period 1st/2nd century BCE.
Horoscopic astrology is simply a type of astrology
whereas Hellenistic astrology is a tradition of astrology.


Technically Hellenistic astrology was first tradition of horoscopic astrology
There have been later traditions of horoscopic astrology over past 2,000 years.
Horoscopic astrology distinguished from other forms of astrology
by use of the ascendant/other points derived from ascendant.
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2008/11/14/what-is-horoscopic-astrology/

Originally Greek hōroskopos, from which “horoscope” and “horoscopic” are derived
was simply a technical term used for “ascendant” in an astrological chart.

 

[Humanitarian]

The word "horoscope", which means "watcher of the hour", specifically refers to the Asc, although it has become far more generalized.
Using that terminology, the Moon is "watcher" of the month, and the Sun is "watcher" of the year.

The Sidereal Vernal Equinox Point is the " watcher of the Great Year" also using the terminology similar to "horoscope"... but there are actually 2 "watchers of the Great Year" including tropical age marker and sidereal age marker

 

[Humanitarian]

David,

look at my avatar or symbol next to my name. That is my chart.

gis

Your avataric chart is very low res, so you need to upload it to this forum to make it easier to be seen

 

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[ShannaUK]

That's weird because the way I come across to people and the first thing they get from me is my tight Saturn/Moon conjunction on descendant, my ascendant is only how I look

 

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[ShannaUK]

I've found out why my ascendant doesn't fit. It's unlikely to be my Saturn/moon but black moon lilith, which is right on it !

When Lilith (often referring to the Black Moon Lilith or the asteroid Lilith) is conjunct the Ascendant in a natal chart, it tends to emphasize themes of raw, primal energy and rebellion in the personality and how one presents oneself to the world. Here are some insights into what this placement could signify:

Intensity and Magnetism: Lilith conjunct the Ascendant can make a person's presence intense and magnetic. Others might feel drawn to them or even intimidated by their aura.
Rebellion and Independence: There is a strong emphasis on independence and rebellion against societal norms or expectations. These individuals may feel a strong urge to break free from constraints and assert their own identity fiercely.
Sexuality and Sensuality: Lilith is often associated with primal sexuality and sensuality. When conjunct the Ascendant, these themes can be prominent in how the person expresses themselves physically and in their interactions.
Shadow Work and Integration: This placement may indicate a journey of confronting and integrating shadow aspects of the self. There could be a need to embrace and channel darker or less accepted parts of the personality.
Challenges with Authority: Individuals with Lilith conjunct the Ascendant may struggle with authority figures or conventional expectations. They might prefer to carve their own path rather than conform.
Social Perception: The way others perceive someone with Lilith on the Ascendant can be complex. They may be seen as mysterious, intense, or unconventional. People might be intrigued by them but also find them enigmatic or difficult to understand.
Healing and Empowerment: Embracing Lilith's energy can lead to personal empowerment and a deeper understanding of one's desires and motivations. It often involves a journey towards embracing authenticity and reclaiming power.

 

[DC80]

That's weird because the way I come across to people and the first thing they get from me is my tight Saturn/Moon conjunction on descendant, my ascendant is only how I look

So you say completely ignoring the fact that if Saturn/Moon are in a "tight" (whatever that is) conjunction on the DSC then it is in opposition to the ASC.

The ASC does not have a magic shield that screens out other stars. Any star in aspect to the ASC whether there's a star in the ASC or not influences how people look and the effects are more pronounced when they are in partile aspect to the Ascending Degree which would be 6° applying and not more than 3° separating. That would be a "tight" conjunction by the way.