Trump or Hillary?

[JUPITERASC]

Right.

And let's also keep in mind that

a transit can only deliver what is promised in the birth chart.

Good point - so keep in mind
that when there is no reliable time of birth
then there is no birthchart that may be reliably delineated

 

[muchacho]

Also, strong personal bias makes for bad predictions.

 

[Horus]

Lynn Sweet interviewed Hillary Clinton for the article and knows she saw a document of some kind related to the birth (probably a family record). That is why the 8 PM time, which seems to have originated from that time. This is on record now at Astrodatabank in the Source Notes section.

This is the only chart that makes any sense to me and fits her life.

Sorry but a 12th house Sun is just not in the public limelight as much as she's been and aspires to be. And Scorpio secret business is still possible with a stellium in the sign, so it's not necessary to have Scorpio Rising and the 12th house to be secretive.

This 8 pm chart ( see: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Clinton,_Hillary ) gives her Gemini Rising and a 5th House Sun -house of children -she's a mom and has worked with children and mothers, it's Leo's natural house, complementing her Leo karma with Saturn and a connecting point to Bill, and it's much more radiant and projective of her personality and true to life and her record than the 12th.

Moon in the 10th = "matriarch"? Mother and leader?
Uranus on the ASC bringing change.

And she has done lots of service-oriented work and projects which is her Merc (Ascendant ruler) and Jupiter in the 6th.

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[JUPITERASC]

This is the only chart that makes any sense to me and fits her life.

Sorry but a 12th house Sun is just not in the public limelight
as much as she's been and aspires to be.

consider the case of ex-President G W Bush - a 12th house sun
there are NO planets - either classical OR modern
- in either 9th OR 10th IRRESPECTIVE OF HOUSE SYSTEM

HOWEVER

Despite no planets in 10th
notice that
G W Bush's natal Sun although in 12th

- crucially is conjunct a powerful FIXED STAR - SIRIUS


'….Sun conjunct Sirius brings success in business
occupation connected with metals or other martial affairs,
domestic harmony....'

'….Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches.

Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the chart
will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous personalities.
Possibly, the rise in station is made possible
by protection from people of influence.....'
source: Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928

Constellations of words comprehensive fixed stars lists http://www.constellationsofwords.com...tude_order.htm

And Scorpio secret business is still possible with a stellium in the sign, so it's not necessary to have Scorpio Rising and the 12th house to be secretive.

This 8 pm chart ( see: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Clinton,_Hillary ) gives her Gemini Rising and a 5th House Sun -house of children -she's a mom and has worked with children and mothers, it's Leo's natural house, complementing her Leo karma with Saturn and a connecting point to Bill, and it's much more radiant and projective of her personality and true to life and her record than the 12th.

Moon in the 10th = "matriarch"? Mother and leader?
Uranus on the ASC bringing change.

And she has done lots of service-oriented work and projects which is her Merc (Ascendant ruler) and Jupiter in the 6th.

Save​

observing effects of FIXED STARS

Trump has powerful FIXED STARS conjunct natal chart angles

for example:

Trumps MARS on Ascendant is conjunct one of the most powerful fixed stars
REGULUS - THE KINGMAKER

REGULUS RISING WITH MARS = Honor
fame
strong character
as well as
public prominence
and
high military command

Trump is now COMMANDER IN CHIEF of The United States of America


THE FIXED STARS IN NATAL ASTROLOGY http://constellationsofwords.com/cat...atalrobson.htm

 

[katydid]

Interesting info about his Mars conjunct Regulus.

here is an excerpt about that conjunction:

Regulus:With Mars: Honor, fame, strong character public prominence, high military command. [Robson*, p.197.]

http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Regulus.html