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In the past we relied on the astronomers to create consensus among modern astrologers as to what broadly counted as a planet. Without that, it's very hard to get anyone to agree on anything. We can't quite trust the scientists on this one, obviously, but we don't really agree among each other either. The traditional astrologers don't consider anything past Saturn to be a planet, being even more extreme than the scientists. Some modern astrologers regard almost any object in space as worth including in a chart for analysis, if they are extremely open-minded. But the average modern astrologer is stuck with roughly the old 9 planet model from the last point where the consensus broke down, and no trustworthy guidance as to where we go from here.
So, I guess what I would like to do is start trying to make sense of Eris for myself, since there really isn't an authority figure out there that's going to come in and do it for me in a way that's going to be broadly accepted by consensus.
Eris in Aries:
Eris last entered Aries in March of 1395, and left Aries in March of 1521. This would very roughly correspond to the 15th Century, about 6 years before and 20 years after. It spent about 126 years in Aries.
Notable events:
1399 - Henry IV takes the throne in England after deposing Richard II, becoming the first English king since the Norman Conquest to speak English as his first language rather than French.
1421 - Joan of Arc inspires the French and turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War in favor of the French during the Siege of Orleans, eventually resulting in a French victory and the English being driven out of France aside from Calais.
1440 - Gutenberg invents the printing press.
1453 - Hundred Years' War officially ends, and Constantinople falls to the Ottomans, more or less ending the Byzantine Empire.
1455 - Wars of the Roses break out in England between the House of Tudor and the House of Lancaster, shortly after the end of the Hundred Years' War.
1478 - Spanish Inquisition is established.
1492 - The Reconquista in Spain is completed with the fall of Grenada, Colombus puts the Americas on the map and begins the Age of Discovery.
1504 - Michaelangelo finishes his famous nude sculpture of David.
1506 - Leonardo da Vinci completes the Mona Lisa, Christopher Colombus dies.
1512 - Michaelangelo finishes painting the Sistine Chapel's ceiling, Copernicus first writes about the Sun being the center of the universe, though the work is still immature and isn't widely distributed.
1513 - Machiavelli writes "The Prince," and lays the groundwork for the philosophy of Realpolitik to take shape.
1517 - Martin Luther posts his famous Ninety-Five theses, laying the groundwork for the Protestant Reformation.
1519 - Hernan Cortez begins the Spanish Conquest of the Aztec Empire, Magellan plans the first successful circumnavigation of the Earth (dying at sea not long after Eris left Aries).
To sum it up, this was the twilight of medieval Europe, the one that separated and defined French and English identity once and for all, ended the Byzantine Empire, started the Renaissance, finished the Spanish Reconquista, discovered the New World, and put forward the Heliocentric theory that unfortunately started the rift between astrology and astronomy. Everything about this era shows how quickly, relatively speaking, the medieval period gave way to the early modern period of history that's recognizable as the beginning of modern Europe.
Eris in Taurus:
Notable events:
Eris entered Taurus in March of 1521, and left Taurus in March of 1605. This roughly corresponds to the 16th century, minus the first 20 years, and with about 4 years of the 17th century. It spent about 84 years in Taurus.
1527 - Italian Renaissance ends with the Sack of Rome and the Pope escaping, Protestant Reformation begins in Sweden.
1529 - Treaty of Zaragoza divides all the undiscovered territory in the world between the Spanish and the Portuguese, sight unseen.
1532 - Church of England breaks away from the Catholic Church, seizes church lands and wealth.
1537 - William Tyndale publishes the first partial translation of the Bible into English.
1543 - Copernicus finally publishes his Heliocentric theory in mature form, Nanban trade period begins with Portuguese arrival in Japan.
1553 - Bloody Mary ascends to the throne of England and attempts to reverse the English Reformation, kills many religious dissenters.
1558 - Elizabeth I takes the throne, starting the Elizabethan era in England, and England loses Calais to France.
1562 - Religious wars in France start between Catholics and Huguenots.
1570 - Pope Pius excommunicates Elizabeth I and all her followers, calling on all Catholics to rebel against her.
1580 - Sir Francis Drake circumnavigates the world for the second time.
1582 - Gregorian Calendar is created by Pope Gregory XIII.
1585 - Sir Walter Raleigh attempts to establish the doomed Roanoke colony as the first permanent English settlement in America, but it fails and no one really knows what happened there to this day.
1597 - Romeo and Juliet is written by William Shakespeare and published.
1600 - Elizabeth I grants a charter to the British East India Company.
1602 - The Dutch East India Company is established.
1603 - Elizabeth I dies, ending the Elizabethan era. James VI ascends to the throne, uniting the crowns of England and Scotland.
1604 - Anglo-Spanish War comes to an end, after each country repels the other's armada.
So in summary, this period has a lot of religious wars between Catholics and Protestants, the height of the English Rennaissance under Elizabeth I, the creation of the Gregorian Calendar, and the establishment of both the British and Dutch East India Company. People mostly figure out how to profit off the trends of the previous era, how to make profit off the improvement in ships, the discovery of the New World, etc. Things that were dangerous and unproven "firsts" not long ago become much safer to do and are repeated.
I don't have room to discuss all the signs in one post, but I am kind of seeing a pattern here that makes sense. The awkward thing is, you have to have a really, really zoomed out view of history to see anything here. I can kind of see it because I studied European History, but I feel like anyone who didn't take AP European History in High School probably wouldn't be able to make sense of Eris at all. If the normal outer planets are generational, then Eris mostly represents entire eras of history (in fact the word Eris kind of sounds like eras), at basically the level historians tend to view them in hindsight after they're over. But no one living through the era would ever see the pattern. I did vaguely notice in class that the 1400s seemed somehow Aries-themed, and the 1500s seemed somehow Taurus-themed, but I couldn't really pinpoint why... and I feel like Eris could be the answer?
If Mars is about specific battles and wars, Eris would be about the reasons why people fight wars and maybe even the nature of the discoveries made in a given era. Like, each one of those wars probably had its own specific Mars-related reasons for occurring, but there was kind of an Eris theme that represented the broader, civilization-wide tensions leading to various innovations and wars in a given era.
So, I guess what I would like to do is start trying to make sense of Eris for myself, since there really isn't an authority figure out there that's going to come in and do it for me in a way that's going to be broadly accepted by consensus.
Eris in Aries:
Eris last entered Aries in March of 1395, and left Aries in March of 1521. This would very roughly correspond to the 15th Century, about 6 years before and 20 years after. It spent about 126 years in Aries.
Notable events:
1399 - Henry IV takes the throne in England after deposing Richard II, becoming the first English king since the Norman Conquest to speak English as his first language rather than French.
1421 - Joan of Arc inspires the French and turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War in favor of the French during the Siege of Orleans, eventually resulting in a French victory and the English being driven out of France aside from Calais.
1440 - Gutenberg invents the printing press.
1453 - Hundred Years' War officially ends, and Constantinople falls to the Ottomans, more or less ending the Byzantine Empire.
1455 - Wars of the Roses break out in England between the House of Tudor and the House of Lancaster, shortly after the end of the Hundred Years' War.
1478 - Spanish Inquisition is established.
1492 - The Reconquista in Spain is completed with the fall of Grenada, Colombus puts the Americas on the map and begins the Age of Discovery.
1504 - Michaelangelo finishes his famous nude sculpture of David.
1506 - Leonardo da Vinci completes the Mona Lisa, Christopher Colombus dies.
1512 - Michaelangelo finishes painting the Sistine Chapel's ceiling, Copernicus first writes about the Sun being the center of the universe, though the work is still immature and isn't widely distributed.
1513 - Machiavelli writes "The Prince," and lays the groundwork for the philosophy of Realpolitik to take shape.
1517 - Martin Luther posts his famous Ninety-Five theses, laying the groundwork for the Protestant Reformation.
1519 - Hernan Cortez begins the Spanish Conquest of the Aztec Empire, Magellan plans the first successful circumnavigation of the Earth (dying at sea not long after Eris left Aries).
To sum it up, this was the twilight of medieval Europe, the one that separated and defined French and English identity once and for all, ended the Byzantine Empire, started the Renaissance, finished the Spanish Reconquista, discovered the New World, and put forward the Heliocentric theory that unfortunately started the rift between astrology and astronomy. Everything about this era shows how quickly, relatively speaking, the medieval period gave way to the early modern period of history that's recognizable as the beginning of modern Europe.
Eris in Taurus:
Notable events:
Eris entered Taurus in March of 1521, and left Taurus in March of 1605. This roughly corresponds to the 16th century, minus the first 20 years, and with about 4 years of the 17th century. It spent about 84 years in Taurus.
1527 - Italian Renaissance ends with the Sack of Rome and the Pope escaping, Protestant Reformation begins in Sweden.
1529 - Treaty of Zaragoza divides all the undiscovered territory in the world between the Spanish and the Portuguese, sight unseen.
1532 - Church of England breaks away from the Catholic Church, seizes church lands and wealth.
1537 - William Tyndale publishes the first partial translation of the Bible into English.
1543 - Copernicus finally publishes his Heliocentric theory in mature form, Nanban trade period begins with Portuguese arrival in Japan.
1553 - Bloody Mary ascends to the throne of England and attempts to reverse the English Reformation, kills many religious dissenters.
1558 - Elizabeth I takes the throne, starting the Elizabethan era in England, and England loses Calais to France.
1562 - Religious wars in France start between Catholics and Huguenots.
1570 - Pope Pius excommunicates Elizabeth I and all her followers, calling on all Catholics to rebel against her.
1580 - Sir Francis Drake circumnavigates the world for the second time.
1582 - Gregorian Calendar is created by Pope Gregory XIII.
1585 - Sir Walter Raleigh attempts to establish the doomed Roanoke colony as the first permanent English settlement in America, but it fails and no one really knows what happened there to this day.
1597 - Romeo and Juliet is written by William Shakespeare and published.
1600 - Elizabeth I grants a charter to the British East India Company.
1602 - The Dutch East India Company is established.
1603 - Elizabeth I dies, ending the Elizabethan era. James VI ascends to the throne, uniting the crowns of England and Scotland.
1604 - Anglo-Spanish War comes to an end, after each country repels the other's armada.
So in summary, this period has a lot of religious wars between Catholics and Protestants, the height of the English Rennaissance under Elizabeth I, the creation of the Gregorian Calendar, and the establishment of both the British and Dutch East India Company. People mostly figure out how to profit off the trends of the previous era, how to make profit off the improvement in ships, the discovery of the New World, etc. Things that were dangerous and unproven "firsts" not long ago become much safer to do and are repeated.
I don't have room to discuss all the signs in one post, but I am kind of seeing a pattern here that makes sense. The awkward thing is, you have to have a really, really zoomed out view of history to see anything here. I can kind of see it because I studied European History, but I feel like anyone who didn't take AP European History in High School probably wouldn't be able to make sense of Eris at all. If the normal outer planets are generational, then Eris mostly represents entire eras of history (in fact the word Eris kind of sounds like eras), at basically the level historians tend to view them in hindsight after they're over. But no one living through the era would ever see the pattern. I did vaguely notice in class that the 1400s seemed somehow Aries-themed, and the 1500s seemed somehow Taurus-themed, but I couldn't really pinpoint why... and I feel like Eris could be the answer?
If Mars is about specific battles and wars, Eris would be about the reasons why people fight wars and maybe even the nature of the discoveries made in a given era. Like, each one of those wars probably had its own specific Mars-related reasons for occurring, but there was kind of an Eris theme that represented the broader, civilization-wide tensions leading to various innovations and wars in a given era.
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