The Interesting Connection Between Music and Astrology

[Xeno]

The harmony of intervals is evaluated based on the frequency ratios between sounds. The simpler the ratio, the more harmonious the interval is perceived to be.


1. Octave (2:1):
• Musical Harmony: The octave is considered one of the most harmonious intervals. Notes separated by an octave sound so consonant that they are perceived as the same sound at different pitch levels.
• Astrological Equivalent: 0 degrees (or 360 degrees).


2. Perfect Fifth (3:2):
• Musical Harmony: The perfect fifth is also extremely harmonious. The 3:2 ratio creates a stable and consonant sound. This interval is often used in chords to create consonant harmonies.
• Astrological Equivalent: 180 degrees (opposition).


3. Perfect Fourth (4:3):
• Musical Harmony: The perfect fourth is also considered a harmonious interval, though less so than the octave and the fifth. It is frequently used in chords and melodies.
• Astrological Equivalent: 120 degrees (trine).


4. Major Third (5:4):
• Musical Harmony: The major third is considered a very harmonious interval. It forms the basis of the major chord, which sounds bright and cheerful.
• Astrological Equivalent: 90 degrees (square).


5. Minor Third (6:5):
• Musical Harmony: The minor third is also harmonious but is perceived as less stable than the major third. It forms the basis of the minor chord, which sounds more somber or reflective.
• Astrological Equivalent: 72 degrees (quintile).

 

[waybread]

Several astrologers were into celestial theories of music.

Ptolemy:

Notable Features of the Ptolemaic System

Harmonics

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Music of the Spheres

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This Month in Physics History

APS Archives

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Today Galileo and Kepler are better known as astronomers, but they both practiced astrology.

Xeno, my situation is that I took piano lessons as a kid for 9 years, then had to give it up to keep up with college courses and the Rest of Life. But I always kept the piano. As a senior citizen, I decided to get back into piano practice about 5 years ago. Then 2+ years ago, I decided to take lessons again. My piano teacher believes in the Royal Conservatory curriculum, which insists on students learning music theory, sight-reading, scales, triads, diminished 7ths, you name it, along with actual piano music. I feel dumb as a post in my inability to master even the simplest steps in music theory -- BUT! I did learn about the Circle of Fifths.

Circle of fifths - Wikipedia

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Which can be depicted as each major key (starting with C) being followed by the key 5 notes up from it, for a total of 12 keys.

Pretty cosmic.

 

[waybread]

Merven, Apparently an interest astrology did influence Gustav Holst's The Planets. He was familiar with Alan Leo's What Is a Horoscope?

Gustav Holst - Wikipedia

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Something else that's interesting is the five-petal pattern traced by Venus during its orbit.

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[Humanitarian]

I really like this idea. I wonder if any historical figure has ever used these kind of musical associations with astrology to assist in musical composition. Wonder if, any musicians in this community have ever employed astrologically inspired means to score a short piece of music.

I'm thinking whether Gustav Holst's The Planets was in any way inspired by astrology. Yes, I know it's a big stretch. Just wondering.

Gustav Holst- The Planets, Full Suite

I'm going explore this idea further.

Ooooh! Pythagorean tuning

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I made a track named Aries this month, and it isn't released yet. I think music and astrology will be a good inspiration for my future EDM tracks.

 

[Xeno]

But what if the theory of aligning astrological aspects with musical notes is correct and points to the most important aspects ?

Then we would have to reconsider all the familiar aspects we use.

Like, we exclude the sextile (60) aspect and make the quintile (72) aspect - Major.

 

[Xeno]

It would be fascinating to hear an entire musical composition based on a natal chart.

If you think about it, it should be done with finesse, not just randomly, but in a way that is clever and melodic

 

[Monk]

There is a connection between PHI and music:-

Music and the Fibonacci Sequence and Phi - The Golden Ratio: Phi, 1.618

Musical scales are related to Fibonacci numbers. The Fibonacci series appears in the foundation of aspects of art, beauty and life. Even music has a foundation in the series, as: There are 13 notes in the span of any note through its octave. A scale is composed of 8 notes, of which the 5th and […]

www.goldennumber.net

 

[Monk]

The Aspect of Quintiles can come up in musicians:-

Quintile Quick Reference

NEW: The Sabian Symbol Quintile Quick Reference Guide $7.20 USD

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[Xeno]

@Monk I've known about the Golden Ratio and Finonacci sequences since a school kid. Everyones kind of been using them forever. Aestheticcally the thing for me about Golden Ratio is it's all about 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. I get it. Ideal proportions and all, but it's not neccessarily applicable to everything. I'm thinking would artists like Picasso or Francis Bacon, would they have used the golden ratio for the same kind of aesthetics, is it less relevant in abstract creative stuff? Just want to explore new ways to do things. Quintiles are fascinating. They seem to mentioned a lot in these forums. Thanks

@Xeno Natal charts was exactly on my thoughts when playing around with this idea. A lot more work needs to go into it. Just the begining.

Hmm. Maybe for a musician who is proficient in AI generative tools, it wouldn't take much time
Need to think through it

 

[Nexus7]

I really like this idea. I wonder if any historical figure has ever used these kind of musical associations with astrology to assist in musical composition. Wonder if, any musicians in this community have ever employed astrologically inspired means to score a short piece of music.

I'm thinking whether Gustav Holst's The Planets was in any way inspired by astrology. Yes, I know it's a big stretch. Just wondering.

Gustav Holst- The Planets, Full Suite

I'm going explore this idea further.

Ooooh! Pythagorean tuning

​

Hmm. Maybe for a musician who is proficient in AI generative tools, it wouldn't take much time
Need to think through it

Holst referred to astrogy as one of his hidden vices. He grew to dislike this work though, but he apparently still rated his Saturn. He had that on his Aquarius Ascendant just into the 1st House, conjunct his Moon, which resided in his 12th, each squared by Neptune. There were also tribes to this stellium from Venus and Jupiter, and Pluto from the other side.

Someone later on wrote a track for Pluto, that was suitably sinister in an I Claudius sort of a way.

You can read about his life on Wiki, and his chart will appear on astro.com if you want to take that further.

 

[Monk]

Hi Xeno,
I'm not a modernist or a traditionalist regarding astrology, but 50/50%.
Quintiles can make shapes like Grand Quintiles, I have used South Mean Node as a point below, and used Chiron, Dwarf Planet Ceres and Juno.
It is my chart but i reject it, but my career was in music before i was disabled, although i have discarded it, i wonder what the music would be to a Grand Quintile?

 

[Xeno]

Hi Xeno,
I'm not a modernist or a traditionalist regarding astrology, but 50/50%.
Quintiles can make shapes like Grand Quintiles, I have used South Mean Node as a point below, and used Chiron, Dwarf Planet Ceres and Juno.
It is my chart but i reject it, but my career was in music before i was disabled, although i have discarded it, i wonder what the music would be to a Grand Quintile?

It's a shame that music didn't work out for you, and we won't know what the grand quintile could have brought.

Btw what do you think how the minor quintile (Moon-Venus-Saturn) manifest in your life?

 

[Monk]

Hi Xeno,
Saturn rules bones in first house, i have bone problems throughout my life, in the end i broke my spine and injured my spinal cord.
Moon in tenth house quintile Venus points to creativity with career that includes music.
Other aspects point to investigating religion and secrets!

 

[waybread]

Hi, Nexus7: nice to see you back.

Xeno/Monk: Would Venus as the generic ruler of the fine and performing arts have any special role here?

You're familiar with the "five petals" of Venus's orbital period.

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[Xeno]

Although the coincidence of the aspect of the five and the five-pointed figure seems curious. But I don’t see a direct connection, and I see the beauty of mathematics.

It’s also possible that this is another astrological coincidence that “works”))

Btw.
The picture of the petals in dynamics looks even more beautiful in heliocentricity because they arise between all the planets

 

[Monk]

Phi can be shown differently to 1.618, it can be shown as:-

Φ = 5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5​

This helps with our debate here:-

Number Five (5) and Phi - The Golden Ratio: Phi, 1.618

The number 5 is intrinsically related to Phi and the Fibonacci series. Phi can be derived from several formulas based on the number 5. The most traditional, based on the geometric construction of phi is this: This formula for phi can also be expressed all in fives as: Φ = 5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5...

www.goldennumber.net

Solid State matter is rock hard:-

Condensed matter physics - Wikipedia

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So you will be interested in link below:-

Golden ratio discovered in quantum world: Hidden symmetry observed for the first time in solid state matter

Researchers have for the first time observed a nanoscale symmetry hidden in solid state matter. They have measured the signatures of a symmetry showing the same attributes as the golden ratio famous from art and architecture.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[Monk]

Hi Waybread,
Quintiles are about being creative, however not always attached to Music, it does lead to having a strange brain, and yes mathematics is also a separate area and is like living in your own little world.

 

[Humanitarian]

5. Minor Third (6:5):
• Musical Harmony: The minor third is also harmonious but is perceived as less stable than the major third. It forms the basis of the minor chord, which sounds more somber or reflective.
• Astrological Equivalent: 72 degrees (quintile).

Minor chords sound more somber and reflective... I see that some ROY KNOX and Mendum's dubstep songs sound really reflective, shivery and chilly, and in dubstep, we majorly use the key of F sharp minor. And the minor third is equivalent to a quintile in astrology. I think I should check quintiles in ROY KNOX's chart and Mendum's charts (it's a German duo)... IDK the birthday of both Mendum's member, but I know ROY KNOX's bday - 24 February 1997, so I need to check some in his chart.

 

[Bjorkstrand]

there should be a whole section on music + astrology
12 keys=12 signs

 

[Xeno]

there should be a whole section on music + astrology
12 keys=12 signs

Yes .. section or subSection may be OK
1 topic is not enough .. because of :

The Western system uses 12 equally tempered semitones in an octave, whereas the Chinese pentatonic system uses 5 notes, and the Indian system has 7 main notes with 22 microtones.

so we can discuss different music systems