Are you a light-worker?

[waybread]

Or are you working towards becoming one?

What relevant characteristics are in your horoscope (or in charts of people whom you admire as light-workers)?

No, I don't mean lighting contractors, electricians, or lighting experts of stage or screen. Although such people could also be light workers in a spiritual sense.

There is no single definition of a light-worker, but I like these: people who answer to the call of Source over the call of fear, people who are strongly motivated to serve others, people whose goal is transformation.

It's not about finding ever more clever or more bullying ways to put down people of different opinions. It is the opposite of fear and hatred.

It's not about pasting a happy-smiley face on very real problems.

It's not specifically New Age, or a particular religious or metaphysical belief. Light workers are usually but not necessarily spiritual.

It's about bringing a healing energy to your daily life with other people.

Please keep in mind that this is an astrology thread. NO MEMES OR OUTSIZE GRAPHICS. If there are some you admire, please put their main message in your own words.

I would love to hear from you!

 

[waybread]

Or are you working towards becoming one?

What relevant characteristics are in your horoscope (or in charts of people whom you admire as light-workers)?

No, I don't mean lighting contractors, electricians, or lighting experts of stage or screen. Although such people could also be light workers in a spiritual sense.

There is no single definition of a light-worker, but I like these: people who answer to the call of Source over the call of fear, people who are strongly motivated to serve others, people whose goal is transformation.

It's not about finding ever more clever or more bullying ways to put down people of different opinions. It is the opposite of fear and hatred.

It's not about pasting a happy-smiley face on very real problems.

It's not specifically New Age, or a particular religious or metaphysical belief. Light workers are usually but not necessarily spiritual.

It's about bringing a healing energy to your daily life with other people.

Please keep in mind that this is an astrology thread. NO MEMES OR OUTSIZE GRAPHICS. If there are some you admire, please put their main message in your own words.

I would love to hear from you!

Light-workers are flawed human beings, not saints. We may not agree with everything they do or say. But if we look, I think we can see the light that motivates them. Some of my candidates are:

Jane Goodall: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Goodall,_Jane

Dalai Lama XIV: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Dalai_Lama_XIV

Pope Francis: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Francis

Obviously most light-workers are not the leaders of religious faiths or celebrities in their field. They might be your neighbors or relatives.

 

[Monk]

Hi Waybread,
I think firstly i would like to tackle the way that the Dalai Lama XIV was picked.
He was born in a small village, that i don't have a fix for but the Latitude and longitude is 36*N22', 101*E51' as shown on right top of link below, he was born in Taktser:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taktser
The nearest fix is Xining at 36*N37', 101*E46', which is close enough:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xining
How they choose a Dalai Lama is below, it seems very suspect to some but not all:-


I think there is another way to find him when he was born on 6th July 1935, but is a secret way, he was born at 04:38 in the morning, before sunrise, therefore if you want to use ancient Egyptian daymarker to start parans, you would have to use sunrise from day before, being 5th July at approx. location.
The Sun rises with Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star, astronomy graph below:-
However if we use midnight daymarker for 6th July 1935 at approx. location of birth, we find Sirius on the Nadir at True North, this gives both Latitude and Longitude to find a new born baby, does it sound like another Bible story??
Astronomy graphs below:-

 

[waybread]

Greetings, Sir Monk!

Thanks for using your astrological super powers for a more accurate birth location for the Dalai Lama.

I understand that the selection process for the new Dalai Lama was pretty rigorous according to the requirements of his faith.

14th Dalai Lama - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Astrodienst gives his ToB as only a Rodden C rating, so there may be some flexibility in it.

I frankly didn't find his radix natal chart to signify a spiritual leader, so I played around with some harmonic charts.

The best fit I found was his 21H chart, suggesting delight or a free-flowing energy (3-series) in spiritual matters (7-series.)

 

[Monk]

Hi Lady Waybread,
I thought perhaps links below could help:-
I thought i would look at Epiphany:-

Epiphany timeline​

4 B.C.–6 B.C
The Birth of Christ
Based on historical findings, and biblical references, most scholars believe Jesus was born between 4- and 6 B.C.

A.D. 361
Double Epiphany
The earliest reference to Epiphany as a Christan Feast is by Ammianus Marcellinus, who assigns January 6 to both Jesus’ birth and baptism.

385
Enter Nativity
The pilgrim, Egeria, describes a celebration in Jerusalem and Bethlehem that she calls ‘Epiphany’ to commemorate the Nativity.

Egeria

Although all dates are dubious involving lightworkers and Epiphany dates, the mystery is there as it was an early date of the nativity in Bethlehem.
https://nationaltoday.com/epiphany/
The fixed stars do stay the same every year only slowly getting out of synch after the period of Jesus.
Julius Caesar's Calendar started on 1st January 0045 BC, the Vernal Equinox was 25 March, and the Winter Solstice was 25 December.
It is only a thought, but perhaps the date is 6th January?

 

[waybread]

Monk, I've read the Gospels several times. I am not a Christian, but I think Jesus would have to qualify as a light-worker. If he wasn't a real person, or if he was a real person a lot of myths added to his biography, what we're left with is the origin of a light-working myth or legend: which should still have a birth date, if not a ToB.

Of course the "born again" experience for individual Christians would have to qualify as an epiphany (small "e".) One wonders what transits or progressions coincide with their epiphanies.

I checked Astrodienst, and they have 15 different estimated horoscopes for the birth of Jesus! I personally would stick with the 0 BCE/CE midnight December 25 chart at midnight, in part because within 3-4 days after the solstice, ancient people without modern instruments could tell that the sun was inching further north. The night sky would have The Virgin rising, with the sun just coming out of Capricorn (the goat, a livestock animal) and the main asterism of Cancer, Praesepe, being called "the manger." The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem has the nativity in a cellar deeply beneath the modern street surface. Then we have zodiac animals arrayed around the manger. (This might work better with a constellational astrology than with conventional signs.)

As you know, some Christian traditions celebrate a 12-day Christmas holiday, with the Twelfth Night falling on or near Jan 6.

I can't say why, but I've lately started to think that the Galactic Center is really important for the planet, and that it can give people with a close planetary conjunction a special gift as indicated by the planet. Have you worked with it?

Although the GC doesn't seem to have that kind of hit in Jesus's "legendary" Christmas chart, I'm wondering if you've found any connections.

 

[Monk]

Hi Waybread,
From link below, you can see that Julius Caesar did set the Spring Equinox at 25 March when he started the Julian Calendar on 1 January 0045 BC, so this places the Winter Solstice on 25 December, quote below:-

Date​

When Julius Caesar established the Julian calendar in 45 BC, he set 25 March as the date of the spring equinox;

Equinox - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Julian Calendar did have errors that were 3 leap days had to removed every 4 hundred years, but Pope Gregory XIII didn't rectify the calendar all the way back to the beginning of the Julian Calendar but only up to 325 AD and The First Council of Nicaea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
You Can read about this with quote below:-
This drift induced Pope Gregory XIII to establish the modern Gregorian calendar. The Pope wanted to continue to conform with the edicts of the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD concerning the date of Easter, which means he wanted to move the vernal equinox to the date on which it fell at that time (21 March is the day allocated to it in the Easter table of the Julian calendar), and to maintain it at around that date in the future, which he achieved by reducing the number of leap years from 100 to 97 every 400 years.

Equinox - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of pagan gods had birthdays on 25 December and it is thought that the early Christian fathers transplanted Jesus's birthday on top to stop this, which seems reasonable as they were promoting the Christian religion, so the date i find dubious.

January 6th: the Spanish children's tradition of Three Wise Men

<p>If you are a frequent visitor to Spain, January 6th will already be an important date in your calendar. Discover the magic and traditions of this festive day and discover how you can join in on the fun during your winter escape</p>

www.barcelo.com

Epiphany (holiday) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Epiphany (/əˈpɪfəni/ ə-PIF-ə-nee), or Eid al-Ghitas (Arabic: عيد الغِطاس),[4] also known as "Theophany" in Eastern Christian tradition,[5] is a Christian feast day commemorating the visit of the Magi, the baptism of Jesus, and the wedding at Cana.[6]
As Jesus was adult when he had a Baptism, we can assume he may of picked his birthday for this event.
All these events were close to Bethlehem.
In the Early years In Bethlehem according to Egeria, the Nativity was celebrated on 6th January, quote and link below:-
"It becomes clear that in her time in Egypt and at Jerusalem the Feast of the Nativity was kept on 6 Jan. She is also the earliest writer to mention the Feast of the Purification (here 14 Feb.)."

Egeria

I have no idea if this is the correct birthday of Jesus, but i have done my best, next i will show charts soon.

 

[Monk]

So when Jesus was baptised we could think it would have been 6th Jan approx 0029AD, the year doesn't matter with parans as the stars don't move that quickly.
Ammen isn't far away from the spot.

Baptism of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Al-Maghtas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It could be electional as the Visit of the three Wise Men, the Baptism and the first miracle were all bunched together for Epiphany on 6th January.
Graph below for Jewish day start for 6th January, being sunset of previous day, with Sirius rising.

 

[Monk]

The actual Year doesn't matter, by procession during period of Jesus, Sirius was rising as Sun set on 5th January in area of Bethlehem.
The Jews then and now start the day by previous sunset of Epiphany being 5th January.
The Three Wise men could have followed Sirius at near Sunset to Bethlehem, however they would have to know date of birth before they set out on their journey from Persia.

The Star of Bethlehem and Sirius - Shining Lotus Bookstore

© 2011 Bruce Johnson – Reprinted with permission from Shining Lotus Metaphysical Bookstore Newsletter December 2011 by Bruce Johnson The Star in the East the Three Wise Men followed to Bethlehem suddenly appeared, guided them to Jerusalem, changed direction, and ultimately stopped and hovered...

www.shininglotus.com

 

[Monk]

The Three Wise Men would have known about Sirius by the Religions in Persia, that called it Tishtrya:-

Tishtrya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[waybread]

Really good work, Monk.

I'm not convinced that the Star of Bethlehem was a real star. Presumably the 3 Magi followed it to Jerusalem (traveling by night, east to west,) , but then at Herod's request, they continue on to Bethlehem, where the star stops over the place where Jesus was living (Matthew 2-9.) If this star were a real celestial phenomenon, I'm not sure how it could stop over a particular street address. Matthew 2 almost reads like a sop to people who believed in astrology as the wisdom of the East. A lot of the NT is ordered around how Jesus fulfilled the OT prophesies about the messiah.

Jesus strongly appears as an agricultural god. Other major events in his life are organized around biblical Jewish holidays celebrating the winter barley and wheat harvests (Sukkot, Shavuot).

I looked at the ecology of the nativity period in Israel in some detail once. I no longer remember the details, and would have to go to some trouble to dig them out, but a winter nativity is suggested by the shepherds grazing their flocks close to the communities. The sheep were allowed to graze on the first shoots of the winter grain crops, to encourage them to send down deeper roots. This was the rainy period in a Mediterranean climate, so the crops would be expected to resprout. Then this is the god who says he is the true vine; and that his body is bread (grain) and blood is wine (grapes.)

Jan. 6 does seem to be shaping up as a significant date, although I'm not clear on how precession affected it. I view the book of Revelation as a battle royale between proponents of the spring equinox in Pisces, and those who wanted to keep it fixed in Aries. The book ends with the Triumph of the Lamb. The Tree of Life is probably the constellation Ophiuchus. The other visions in Revelation can readily be traced to constellations and asterisms.

 

[waybread]

I don't know how relevant this is, but you probably know that the ancients used the sky as a giant celestial calendar, before written calendars were invented. Sirius heralded the onset of Nile floods. Hesiod, Works and Days, 8th century BC, indicated particular asterisms like the Pleiades to be used for timing in an agricultural calendar, when to plow and plant. The other group who engaged in star gazing were mariners, looking for rising stars that would indicate the autumn closure of Mediterranean shipping lanes.

So speaking of Epiphany, it would be in keeping with extant cultural astronomy practices for it to be pegged to certain stars that could be readily observed in the heavens.

 

[Humanitarian]

I think I'm really inclined to be a light-worker (Neptune dominant, Jupiter dominant, Sun-Moon equal in strength, since it indicates that I can emit divine masculine and divine feminine energy at the same time, and all of these are heavily aspected).

 

[Monk]

Hi Waybread,
I have to agree we don't know when Jesus was born.
I have done some work on Pope Francis below, however this could be electional as this is about when he become Pope.
Parans work by the day at Sunrise midnight or previous sunset on actual angles of the Earth, i didn't find much with his birth, I'm suspicious of event as Sirius or Alnilam is always on an angle:-

Pope Francis.

I wish to show electional astrology was used at actual time that the new Pope first appeared on the Vatican Balcony, obviously very auspicious! Time line of this with local time in Rome can be seen below, please note time of 19:23 pm, 13th March 2013 quote and link below:- 19:23 UTC Pope...

www.astrologyweekly.com

 

[waybread]

I think light-workers have different pathways. I mentioned Jane Goodall in post #2. She is about to turn 90.

Her chart (Rodden B) shows a surprisingly feisty sun-Mars-Uranus in Aries in the 4th house. But I think for a woman of her generation, back in the 1950s, a mid-tempered Englishwoman would have gotten nowhere in terms of wildlife research in Africa. (A comparable story is Anne Dagg, The Woman who Loved Giraffes.) Goodall got her start as a secretary to a famous anthropologist doing research in Africa. Following her distinguished career as a primatologist studying chimpanzees in the wild, Goodall became a spokesperson for environmental causes.

It's hard to say where a love of nature belongs in a chart, but I think a strong 4th house is a good candidate. Land, a sense of the earth as one's home, perhaps.

I note Goodall's moon in the 12th house, which rules large animals.

 

[Monk]

Hi waybread,
I would agree, i tend to concentrate on Spiritual leaders, one that i respect is Mohandas Gandhi, His time of birth isn't as important if not exact as Astrodienst give it a C rating:-
On day and Location Sirius Culminates as Sun rises:-

Mohandas Gandhi, horoscope for birth date 2 October 1869, born in Porbandar, with Astrodatabank biography

www.astro.com

Parans by B. Brady below, i will deal with his death later, it seems accurate:-Facies and Algol were present due to risk to his life.

 

[waybread]

Hi, Monk -- your work with fixed stars is so interesting. I recall Ptolemy spending a lot of space in Tetrabiblos on them, but by the time modern astrology rolled around, they were virtually forgotten. I'm curious as to whether you use Constellation of Words for the interpretive information. Ptolemy was pretty cryptic, at least for me. A star would have the nature of "Saturn and Jupiter," for example, and then the reader was supposed to know what that meant.

Ghandi has an interesting chart. If I didn't know something about his biography, I would pick out the fighter, not the champion of passive resistance. He surely was a fighter, though, merely using a different weapon than guns and artillery. I'm tempted to see Uranus conjunct MC as the revolutionary; except that I have that placement, but with no independence movements to my credit.

 

[waybread]

Here's one that's more controversial: Werner Erhard, "father" of the old "est traning," a self-help movement prominent in the 1980s. Erhard was both revered as a guru and criticized as a charlatan during his heyday. In the 1990s he was embroiled in a lot of lawsuits; all of which (according to Wikipedia) were resolved in his favor. I tried to look up his current whereabouts, but the last I could find was him living with a partner in the Cayman Islands some years ago. I clicked on his website but my computer security system blocked it.

I did the est training in 1980, and found it to be very powerful. I was never a fan of the hero worship surrounding Erhard, however.

Eckhardt Tolle, Deepak Chopra. Dr. Phil: there is a long list of self-help gurus. Would we put them up there with Ghandi or the Dalai Lama IV? Maybe not.

Monk, possibly their fixed stars aren't as powerful as those truly acknowledged light workers?

 

[Frisiangal]

those truly acknowledged light workers?

Your first post stated 'There is no single definition of a light-worker' , so how and by whom can it be acknowledged, astrologically or otherwise???
Are they right?

 

[waybread]

Your call, Frisiangal!