Is the chart that Nick Campion gives for the American Presidency valid?

[John Thompson]

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Campion's chart data = 30th April 1789, 12:45 LMT, Washington, NY.

 

[ElenaJ]

Interesting that transiting uranus is on MH, and transiting pluto opposing Uranus.

 

[John Thompson]

Certainly Campion sees this as the 'final act in the creation of the United States of America out of the thirteen rebellious English colonies'.

 

[ElenaJ]

the 'final act in the creation of the United States of America

late degree on ascendent.

 

[John Thompson]

Interesting that transiting uranus is on MH, and transiting pluto opposing Uranus.

Yes, and the Plutonian element is reinforced by transit Pluto having its antiscion at the north node. And when Uranus comes to the end of Taurus, its antiscion will be at that of Presidency Uranus and square ASC. Looks like fireworks!

 

[JUPITERASC]

Interesting that transiting uranus is on MH, and transiting pluto opposing Uranus.

Irrelevant given Campion's chart data = 30th April 1789,
12:45 LMT, Washington, NY
dwarf planetoid pluto discovered 1930
was named by 11-year-old Venetia Burney of Oxford, England

the other outer discovered 1781

Certainly Campion sees this as the
'..final act in the creation of the United States of America

out of the thirteen rebellious English colonies..'.

Yes, and the Plutonian element is reinforced by transit Pluto having its antiscion at the north node. And when Uranus comes to the end of Taurus, its antiscion will be at that of Presidency Uranus.

seven classical visible plants however
were seen in local skies 30th April 1789
.

 

[John Thompson]

Irrelevant given Campion's chart data = 30th April 1789,
12:45 LMT, Washington, NY
dwarf planetoid pluto discovered 1930
was named by 11-year-old Venetia Burney of Oxford, England

the other outer discovered 1781




seven classical visible plants however
were seen in local skies 30th April 1789
.

Although Pluto had yet to be discovered [nor had Neptune], this doesn't mean that it wasn't there. After Neptune was discovered, new levels of consciousness started to imbue the human mind, just as it did with Pluto. Since that time, we have also realised the harmonic relationship with these three working together. In terms of planetary epochs/history, the triple conjunction of these in the 570's BC has been highly documented by the likes of Robert D Doolaard and Palden Jenkins amongst others.. The sub cycles are also very good at defining cultural histories etc.

 

[ElenaJ]

the triple conjunction of these in the 570's BC has been highly documented

what took place at that time?

 

[JUPITERASC]

what took place at that time?

worldwide = every continent/nation country

.

 

[John Thompson]

what took place at that time?

Doolaard writes ' In almost all the known centres of civilisation: China, India, Persia, Palestine and Greece, people were born who displayed great spiritual and intellectual creativity, resulting in profound cultural changes which continue to influence us today' He goes on 'We think of Pythagoras [ -570 ], Zarathustra [ -569 ], Buddha [ -569 ], Confucius [ -555 ] and without known dates of birth: Lao Tzu, Mahavira, and Deutero-Isiah [ all of these men were one another's contemporaries].

 

[ElenaJ]

The chart has Aquarius on the 7th and Scorpio on IC.
Here is a breakdown of zodiac signs of all American Presidents.

Aquarius and Scorpio being the majority.

 

[leomoon]

Born:

Sunday, September 28, -550 (551 BC) (time unknown) (Julian cal.)

The date I had for Confucius -

According to my book "Buddhist Astrology", with the forward by the Dalai Lama and information from his Astrologer - The Buddha was born on
May 23 575 BC 12:30PM LMT (574 JC) chart on pg. 15
Patna India 25N36 085E07 (I too have read of other locations said to be his birth place)

Achieves Enlightenment: pg. 80
May 15, 539 BC 5A.M. LMT Gaya India 14N47 085E00

 

[ElenaJ]

Actually the OP is just saying he also uses the outer planets, not that the inner ones are not valid.

"many of us take on board the use of Uranus/Neptune and Pluto in historic charts. "

 

[John Thompson]

The chart has Aquarius on the 7th and Scorpio on IC.
Here is a breakdown of zodiac signs of all American Presidents.

Aquarius and Scorpio being the majority.View attachment 113063

Thanks for that Elenaj. Aquarius naturally opposes the royal sign of Leo, and Scorpio features at the IC of the British Royal family chart that I shall introduce [some say the IC opposes their rule]. Aquarius and Scorpio as being the highest counts of American Presidents in this respect is interesting when noting these being signs in antiscion relationship to each other.


Obviously American independence had many developments before the inauguration of Washington as the 1st President, putting the final nail in the coffin of British Monarchal rule. However, for me one of the defining moments of the original rebellion [no doubt some will sarcastically contest] was the Boston Tea Party; 'The great symbolic moment of insurrection' as Campion puts it. At this time, Uranus was at 25 Taurus 01 [ring any bells?] and the Saturn/Pluto midpoint sat at 23 Scorpio 52; this is without doubt the signature of rebellion which leads to the redefinition/ or emergence of a new culture [Saturn/Pluto]. The Tea Party of its self was major in terms of dismissing imposed English excise duties; very of the Taurus/Scorpio polarity. At this point I'd like to introduce a much neglected chart which I use for British Monarchy; that for the crowning of King Edgar in Bath, on the 11th May 0973 OS at noon. For those that argue for the 1066 map, you'll note that Pluto, having just opposed itself was now on the DESC of Edgar. Many will argue for the use of 1801; again Pluto is on the DESC of Edgar. Anytime Uranus transits at 25 Taurus, it conjuncts the SU/MA/MC of Edgar and always gives British monarchy problems; just look at the Gunpowder Plot for instance!


Take a look at the ASC of the Washington chart conjunct Edgars Pluto, and the midpoints of the waxing semi-sextile of Saturn/Pluto [Washington] conjunct the DESC of Edgar; both Saturn and Pluto within this form the intense 165 aspect to Edgars ASC forming a type of manic yod.


Of the Edgar coronation, Campion notes, ' With this act the concept of the Brytenwalda, the single ruler of Britain, was given its final symbolic and political force'.

 

[John Thompson]

Actually the OP is just saying he also uses the outer planets, not that the inner ones are not valid.

"many of us take on board the use of Uranus/Neptune and Pluto in historic charts. "

OK thanks Elanaj, I stand corrected.

 

[ElenaJ]

Progression of the Washington chart to election day 2024.
Don't at all like neptune exactly conjunct the cusp of the 7th house.
POF in 3rd squares neptune.

Also 7th ruler venus exactly conjunct pluto, in Aquarius, sign of the natal 7th, both square the Nodes.

Also jupiter exactly conjunct mars, receiving sun by trine.

 

[John Thompson]

Progression of the Washington chart to election day 2024.
Don't at all like neptune exactly conjunct the cusp of the 7th house.
POF in 3rd squares neptune.

Also 7th ruler venus exactly conjunct pluto, in Aquarius, sign of the natal 7th, both square the Nodes.

Also jupiter exactly conjunct mars, receiving sun by trine.



View attachment 113070

What worries me about that Neptune is that the antiscion of the Moon is conjunct it; that Moon powerfully impacted by the antiscion of Neptune is at the midpoint of Saturn/Pluto in the natal. Is this some form of erosion of the building of a new culture/nation signified by SA/PL. Considering the ramifications to the British, it could be a sign of the decline in these nations relationship. I shall post the chart of Edgar and Washington.

 

[John Thompson]

Edgar and Washington

 

[waybread]

John, I'd like to know how Campion chose his date. The Constitution is the document that enables the US presidency. It didn't happen all at once. There's a "river of time" problem with fixing a single moment. Here are some useful dates:

Constitution of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Constitution officially ratified: June 21, 1788.

Constitution became effective on March 4, 1789

George Washington was officially elected on February 4, 1789

He was inaugurated on April 30, 1789

Campion seems to have chosen the inauguration date, which is when there was an actual office holder, but the office of the presidency in law happened earlier.

It's interesting to see the NN in the mundane 4th house of "the people". The Preamble to the Constitution reads:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Washington was probably the most popular president ever. The 10th house cusp is ruled by Venus, in the 9th house of the law., where it joins the sun as planetary ruler of the head of state.

 

[waybread]

Certainly Campion sees this as the 'final act in the creation of the United States of America out of the thirteen rebellious English colonies'.

It was an important act, to be sure; but the Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments to the Constitution) is enormously important, and I would see it as more of the capstone. The Bill of Rights is what enumerates Americans' basic rights.

The Bill of Rights: What Does it Say?

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www.archives.gov

It was officially ratified on December 15, 1791.

The amendments cover freedom of speech, religion, right of peaceful assembly, gun rights, and the granting of powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states.