Is there such a thing in trad astrology as a 2nd house Narcissists?

[Blister]

The double standard of Venus ruled houses?
Is that a trait of narcissism or compromise?
2nd and 7th rulership by Venus.
What is mine is mine and what is ours is mine and what is yours is mine...
Since WHEN have Taurus and Libra ever got along?
They serach for supply.
Ill aspected Venus and bad moon moon relations?

 

[Astroraamaji]

Fascinating exploration of the 2nd house in traditional astrology! This unique perspective on narcissistic traits adds depth and insight to understanding personality through the stars.

 

[JUPITERASC]

The double standard of Venus ruled houses?

provide a TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY source
for claiming allegedly "..double standard.."

Is that a trait of narcissism or compromise?

is Modernistic astrology chat

2nd and 7th rulership by Venus.
What is mine is mine and what is ours is mine and what is yours is mine...
Since WHEN have Taurus and Libra ever got along?
They serach for supply.

is Modernistic astrology chat
in contrast:

TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY TAURUS
The image of the Bull is feminine, nocturnal,
Depending on the placement of the houseruler,
those born under the influence of Taurus
energetic because of the hard-working strength of the Bull
industrious
Domicile of Venus, exaltation of Moon

TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY LIBRA
The image of the Scales is masculine, diurnal
Depending on the placement of the houseruler
those born under the influence of Libra
are encountering many vicissitudes because of the tipping of the Scales
Domicile of Venus, exaltation of Saturn, depression of Sun

Ill aspected Venus and bad moon moon relations?

is vague Modernistic astrology generalising

Fascinating exploration of the 2nd house in traditional astrology!

Modernistic exploration - is non-traditional

This unique perspective on narcissistic traits adds depth and insight to understanding personality through the stars.

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TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY RULERSHIPS ILLUSTRATED

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[Blister]

Fascinating exploration of the 2nd house in traditional astrology! This unique perspective on narcissistic traits adds depth and insight to understanding personality through the stars.

 

[Blister]

I have the north node in 2nd and south node in 8th
My marriage, and even a couple of past relationships, had this signature struggle.
My husband's saturn conjuncts my south node in my 8th house.
it all belongs to him
even what was mine before we married.
As if my possessions were a dowry.
My south node in pisces in 8th and venus in pisces could easily take everything from him and leave him with what he started with when we married.
But I couldn't live with myself (morals, values, guilty conscience) because I know it would literally kill him. He'd find some way from self or other.

Venus is acquisitional. My husband has Venus and Sun and Mercury in 2nd house. Mars in his 7th. He has a Mars Moon square.

There is nothing about 'sharing' with a Narcissist. It, and you, belong to them. All theirs.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Fascinating exploration of the 2nd house in traditional astrology! This unique perspective on narcissistic traits adds depth and insight to understanding personality through the stars.

Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.

I have the north node in 2nd and south node in 8th
My marriage, and even a couple of past relationships, had this signature struggle.
My husband's saturn conjuncts my south node in my 8th house.
it all belongs to him even what was mine before we married. As if my possessions were a dowry.

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My south node in pisces in 8th and venus in pisces could easily take everything from him and leave him with what he started with when we married. But I couldn't live with myself (morals, values, guilty conscience) because I know it would literally kill him. He'd find some way from self or other.

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Venus is acquisitional.

not necessarily - that's Modernistic astrology

in contrast
TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY VENUS:

Venus completes 8 sidereal cycles and 5 synodic cycles with 8 years.
It has retreating arcs of 15 degrees for 40 days.
Venus is benefic, feminine and nocturnal.
Venus controls merriment, friendship, companionship
marriages, refined arts, pleasant sounds, music-making
sweet singing, beauty of form, painting, mixing of colours
embroidery, purple-dyeing, perfume making, inventors
haircutters, cleanliness
plays, the supervisors of markets, weights, measures
trades and shops, the livelihood of the mother
assistance from women

My husband has Venus and Sun and Mercury in 2nd house. Mars in his 7th. He has a Mars Moon square. There is nothing about 'sharing' with a Narcissist. It, and you, belong to them. All theirs.

NOT TRADITIONAL
Is Modernistic Relationship astrology Read My chart request

in contrast
TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY
The significations of any planet
are further characterized by relationship with other planets
Consider this:
different areas of life are not neatly separate
but interact in interesting ways.
These interactions differ from person to person
as well as over the course of one’s life.
The way that planets influence the significations of other planets
and houses
helps to characterize the complexity and nuance inherent in life.

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[Chrysalis]

I've noticed that a lot of people w/ Sun opposite Moon aspect have narcissistic tendencies, regardless of the house or sign placement.

 

[Blister]

Go away

even the traditionalists have a weird kind of utopian view of the planets. how dare we use personal experience to contradict or compellingly share that story. Traditional astrology goes back to times when all they could see with one eye open and the other closed was what the could see, and they created an entire set of reasoning on that. Were they really able to see what was on the dark side of the moon? The gave their 'conceptive ideas' to the Nodes, because once the moon moves around the sun into nightime, things were going on in world and civilsations that they never even knew about on the other side of it. But still, I cherish traditional astrology for my mother's early teachings which were the sun makes you shine, the moon makes you moody, mercury makes you think, venus makes you want to mate, mars wants to F everything in sight, Jupiter brings luck and Saturn is the worst downer ever.

 

[Chrysalis]

even the traditionalists have a weird kind of utopian view of the planets. how dare we use personal experience to contradict or compellingly share that story. Traditional astrology goes back to times when all they could see with one eye open and the other closed was what the could see, and they created an entire set of reasoning on that. Were they really able to see what was on the dark side of the moon? The gave their 'conceptive ideas' to the Nodes, because once the moon moves around the sun into nightime, things were going on in world and civilsations that they never even knew about on the other side of it. But still, I cherish traditional astrology for my mother's early teachings which were the sun makes you shine, the moon makes you moody, mercury makes you think, venus makes you want to mate, mars wants to F everything in sight, Jupiter brings luck and Saturn is the worst downer ever.

Exactly this.

 

[JUPITERASC]

even the traditionalists have a weird kind of utopian view of the planets. how dare we use personal experience to contradict or compellingly share that story. Traditional astrology goes back to times when all they could see with one eye open and the other closed was what the could see, and they created an entire set of reasoning on that. Were they really able to see what was on the dark side of the moon? The gave their 'conceptive ideas' to the Nodes, because once the moon moves around the sun into nightime, things were going on in world and civilsations that they never even knew about on the other side of it.

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inappropriate on this TRADITIONAL BOARD
"..Members who wish
to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.."

discussion combination of traditional & modern ideas at

TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY Preceded Modernistic Astrology TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY DIFFERS FROM MODERNIST ASTROLOGY -

a career as a temple robber I guess that IS still a career option, come to think of it. Probably no Social Security, though, eh?

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But still, I cherish traditional astrology for my mother's early teachings which were the sun makes you shine, the moon makes you moody, mercury makes you think, venus makes you want to mate, mars wants to F everything in sight, Jupiter brings luck and Saturn is the worst downer ever.

Blister, I know you're specifically asking about 2h placements but the Sun opposition Moon aspect is very popular with narcissists.

Modernistic astrology

These people don't notice other people having opinions and ideas. Even if they're not narcissistic, they're very much inner-focused and will steamroller over anyone else, or 'appear' to listen, but then steamroller over anyone else. The only facts they accept are the ones 'they' agree with. They may give the impression of being happy and outgoing, but these people don't get along well with people who stand up to them. They want what they want and only accept their input. They have a sense of self-importance, but which they would fully deny.

no Traditional source referenced
&
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I predict Jupiter Asc has this very aspect
And the BOLD BLUE TEXT, like how much more narcissistic can you get?

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[JUPITERASC]

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Go away

Exactly this.

Narcissim in Ancient Definitions

Is a debilitated sun responsible for narcissism or is it a debilitated moon.? I am venturing that any house angular sun or moon ruled or containing, might lend itself to it - and without a yin yang joint collaboration with the moon that is balanced, it's all about 'me' or 'you'. ??? In the...

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TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY
The nodes are points on the Ecliptic Plane
where eclipses occur.
They're both bad
and of the two, the ascending node, north node is the worst of the two.

TRADITIONALLY in a natal chart
the place of the ascending node weakens the sign
and
its ruler.
That's also true
IF an operative star is transiting that place in the natal chart
because nothing will happen
and anything that does is not good.

A star's transits do nothing unless it's been activated.
People always have two active stars
which is the case when the year ruler is also one of the two time rulers
but
most people have 3 active stars
and sometimes 4
IF the profected Asc
comes to a place where a star that is not the year ruler
or one of the two time rulers
is located.
Some people can have all 7 stars active at one time.
That would happen when 4 stars
are in the place where the profected Asc comes
and
the year ruler and two time rulers are not those stars.

The sign of the transiting ascending node
will render that place in the natal chart useless
so stars transiting that place won't have any effect.

Best case scenario is ascending node in the 7th place in natal
and transiting ascending node is there too
so if Jupiter's active
transiting the 7th place
he's less likely to kill you especially if he rules the 2nd, 7th or 8t
and if he rules the 6th or 12th
you're less likely to have a serious medical issue/injury


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[waybread]

The double standard of Venus ruled houses?
Is that a trait of narcissism or compromise?
2nd and 7th rulership by Venus.
What is mine is mine and what is ours is mine and what is yours is mine...
Since WHEN have Taurus and Libra ever got along?
They serach for supply.
Ill aspected Venus and bad moon moon relations?

Blister, the current mods are willing to expand discussions of traditional astrology, especially to encourage more learning.

But your question doesn't seem to be worded in a way that lends itself to a traditional approach.

Unless Libra or Taurus happen to be the signs on the 7th or 2nd house cusps, Venus would not rule these houses. The concept of "natural" house rulers is modern, with a couple of exceptions like medical astrology. So, for example, if Gemini is the sign on the 2nd house cusp, then Mercury, not Venus, rules the 2nd house.

Presumably traditional astrology can have something to say about narcissism, but we would look at the individual's sense of self: for example, the ascendant, lord of the geniture, sun, and moon. More traditionally, astrology would discuss temperament, pride vs. humility, or qualities of the soul (personality) vs. narcissism.

 

[waybread]

I have the north node in 2nd and south node in 8th
My marriage, and even a couple of past relationships, had this signature struggle.
My husband's saturn conjuncts my south node in my 8th house.
it all belongs to him
even what was mine before we married.
As if my possessions were a dowry.
My south node in pisces in 8th and venus in pisces could easily take everything from him and leave him with what he started with when we married.
But I couldn't live with myself (morals, values, guilty conscience) because I know it would literally kill him. He'd find some way from self or other.

Venus is acquisitional. My husband has Venus and Sun and Mercury in 2nd house. Mars in his 7th. He has a Mars Moon square.

There is nothing about 'sharing' with a Narcissist. It, and you, belong to them. All theirs.

Blister, if you want to post your charts, we can try to interpret them from a traditional perspective.

 

[waybread]

Just to be clear: the correct term is "modern" astrology.

The parallel for "modernistic" would be "traditionalistic."

 

[waybread]

even the traditionalists have a weird kind of utopian view of the planets. how dare we use personal experience to contradict or compellingly share that story. Traditional astrology goes back to times when all they could see with one eye open and the other closed was what the could see, and they created an entire set of reasoning on that. Were they really able to see what was on the dark side of the moon? The gave their 'conceptive ideas' to the Nodes, because once the moon moves around the sun into nightime, things were going on in world and civilsations that they never even knew about on the other side of it. But still, I cherish traditional astrology for my mother's early teachings which were the sun makes you shine, the moon makes you moody, mercury makes you think, venus makes you want to mate, mars wants to F everything in sight, Jupiter brings luck and Saturn is the worst downer ever.

Blister, this isn't the place to attack traditional astrology. You've asked for a traditional interpretation. There is no reason why traditional astrology cannot use personal experience. Indeed the ancient, medieval, and renaissance astrologers derived a lot of insights from their client files. You're aware of traditional astrology's renewal, starting around 1990.

Basically it heavily relies on essential dignities and debilities, reception, and the major aspects.

 

[waybread]

Folks, I've had to delete some personal attacks.

Howbeit we see an actual traditional interpretation, if Blister will post the relevant horoscopes?

Most but by no means all traditional astrologers prefer whole signs houses, and to leave out modern outer planets, asteroids, and most things undiscovered prior to ca. 1700.

 

[Blister]

duly noted

 

[Ailithjohnson]

In traditional astrology, the 2nd house relates to personal values, self-worth, and material possessions rather than personality traits like narcissism. Narcissistic tendencies are more likely linked to the Sun, the 1st house (self-identity), or aspects involving Pluto and Venus. While the 2nd house reflects how one values themselves, it doesn’t directly indicate narcissism in traditional astrological interpretations.

 

[JUPITERASC]

In traditional astrology, the 2nd house relates to personal values, self-worth, and material possessions ...While the 2nd house reflects how one values themselves,

That's Modernistic not traditional astrology
TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY
HOUSE TWO
Your income and material wealth
and whether you'll have a little or a lot
and how hard it will be for you to acquire it
and whether your income steadily grows
or grows and plateaus and starts declining
and whether its subject to reversals

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[Opal]

The double standard of Venus ruled houses?
Is that a trait of narcissism or compromise?
2nd and 7th rulership by Venus.
What is mine is mine and what is ours is mine and what is yours is mine...
Since WHEN have Taurus and Libra ever got along?
They serach for supply.
Ill aspected Venus and bad moon moon relations?

Thought this might be of interest to you

Narcissus asteroid 37117