piercethevale
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What is written below is from some years ago. For the simplest and most concise explanation please go to post #87. If you wish to then you may proceed with reading from this point on. It took me many years to "get it" myself... as I write this it is February 14, 2020...and gosh, I just realized I finally "got it" on Valentines Day...how appropriate as this thread is about Lilith... not the kind of gal I'd want for my Valentine.
[This is the revised and edited text...thank you.{that too was written many years ago. ptv, Feb, 14, 2020}] ptv
Ive never really got a handle on the meaning of Lilith in Astrology myself. By that I mean I don't state anything about it conclusively...but in this craft* that's more the rule than the exception. *[aspiring to be recognized as a science...which it will be someday.]
I never paid any attention to Lilith until 1998 or 99. It came up alot in the composite and synastry charts I was drawing up between Miss X and myself. and for a few other people in synastry and/or composite charts of their companionships.
All I had was an assumption, a conjecture at best, which had developed from what I could find written about the subject, that Lilith was a person, although, more than likely a 'creature', that had become identified with, the dark side of the feminine that one, especially a man, does not want to encourage...much less have to encounter...
At this point in this post, I'm now going to bring up a couple of the readings of Edgar Cayce here...for those of you that don't believe in Cayces' validity, his proclivities or any truth to his readings ...pass this by please...
...and to those who feel otherwise, bear with patience through this following account [Legend,{or myth} if you'd prefer] because it will become clear why I had to, give this info/explanation, when I explain how the Sabians are to be interpreted through the Astrological Lilith that is found on ones birth chart.
Cayce said that there were 5 "Adams", one for each of the 5 races. The Adam of the Hebrew Bible is that first existing being of the 'Red Race' as most all of, what are the, oldest books of the Bible originated in and came from Atalantis to Egypt with the migration of Atlantean survivors that came to Egypt for refuge and a new start, These Atlanteans, that migrated to Egypt, brought along with them their own knowledge and their own indigenous rites of their particular spiritual path, and also knowledge and applications of other 'sciences'. Once they had been accepted by and had settled in Egypt, it wasn't long before they introduced and established the spiritual belief and it's various rites, that was known in those ancient times as the Aton religion, which by all the accounts I've heard about concerning the Lost Continent, was a true, and very refined understanding of Spiritual laws, how to work with them for the most effective affects in the most beneficial manner, for the newly created living species known as 'Mankind' [according to Cayce about a quarter of a million years ago] and how to utilize them in material applications, [Sigmund Freud had deduced and conclusively stated that what we know in the world today as Judaism or Hebrewism is in fact those same belief, tenets, rites and practices that had been known, and practiced, as a religion of great antiquity that Freud believed had originated in ancient Egypt and had been known by a different name as that of, and called, the Aton. Although if Edgar Cayces information on the origin and age of the Aton, its beliefs, practices and knowledge is correct, [as I assume it is correct and a 'given' in that, all previous observations of, any info given by Edgar Cayce in a 'Reading', as to any event, knowledge, belief, custom, practice, ritual, rite, person, or Cayces accounting of Where, How or Why, to anything of the past to be a 'given', as because that the info is from Edgar Cayce and I've never seen or heard of Cayce being proven wrong on any historical accounting] and before that of Egypt, as the same belief, albeit by a slightly different name or pronunciation of the same name as in Egypt...i.e. the Aton.
But it evolved, or was re-explained or re-invented during the long Exodus, [according to Freud there were no Israelites, Hebrews or Jews as they are presently known and recognized as such, and that the Exodus really only consisted of the Priests of the Aton faith of Egypt of which the man known as Moses was the High Priest of, and the Levites, as they are called in the Bible, in all truthfulness, but only those lesser Priests of the Aton. [and I would assume that their immediate families were, or would have been included also.] ...According to Freud, the 'Exodus' probably did last as long in time as has been stated to have been, and as is currently believed to be historically factual by most Biblical scholars. As Freud stated in his book, "Moses and Monotheism" [available in just about every college book store, public library etc. and...it's not too long a work...really, almost more of a 'treatise' in length.] Moses and the Priests wandered the deserts for all those years looking for friendly, spiritually aware, intelligent and civilized, peoples. ...especially groups of people to transfer the knowledge that is known to me, and to us presently, as that given by Moses and the Levites, as Judaism.
The soul of the man known to be and called Adam, in the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible, was/is known as Amilius. Each and every soul has an eternal, true name that was given to it in the beginning. The great Swamis', yogis and gurus and of the Orient know this...as they have always known...due to the revered, respected, sacred, honored and practiced Guruampara..the teaching, the bestowing, the direct transmission of sacred knowledges and truths from one person to another in only oral fashion. Swami to Guru to Guru to Yogi. Never kept in written form, but retained intact, inviolate and unchanged in image, form, or words in the mind and memories of those who are of the most accomplished at achieving and maintaining a singular unity, identification, concentration and absorption ability of inviolate, unalterable, changeless integrity.
According to Cayce, before the creation of the first 5 Men, the 5 Adams of the 5 different races, souls were observing the activity of the 'animals/beasts' that roamed the Earth, and that, these 'animals' although being conscious living, animate and sensing creatures, they were created soul less and thus were nothing more and were as one and the same as... in whole with and yet also a part of... the inanimate physical universe..[r.e. the flora, the fauna, the very elements and form of the planet itself. i.e. all of Gods creation, and as much a part of the physical universe as any other 'matter' has 'spirit' shared among them.] and these souls, not incarnate in any physical form, eventually became tempted to take a physical form of their own creation [which they had the ability to do...and all of us do have the ability to still do...alas though, it's a latent and or forgotten ability for nearly all, if not entirely all, of humankind at the present] as they became desiring to experience the sex act, copulation, etc....as it was that, which so fascinated, intrigued and tempted those souls .
Thus eventually these souls realizing their ability to do so did create for themselves, physical living forms. These numerous and individual souls, of consciousness and thought were, in a very short while, creating all types and sorts of various looking and functioning beings from images conceived from their thoughts and gestated in their own minds. After some period of time in taking possession of these entities/beasts/living forms of there own creative manifestation, there soon was all kind of different forms, too numerous to count and what thus resulted was a menagrie of all sorts of imaginable and unimaginable monstrosities. According to Cayce some of these aberrations were the very same described 'minotuars, 'centuars' and other such creatures that, we ourselves know in our present times as creatures of myths of a time that is so distantly far back in the past...that presently humankind can't recall where or when we saw them, yet we can't seem to forget the subconscious memory of them...because... they indeed, most certainly did exist at one time.
Yes folks; Bestiality. I am talking about multiple. random, wanton 'bestiality' here on Earth before the groovy couple [Adam and Eve...Ish and Isha in the Hebrew tongue] got together. There were all sorts of entities born of various beasts/animals that were half humanoid looking...Some were half mammals, some were half reptilian, some were half fish, some half bird...all sorts. [You can read a lot more about this in at least a couple of books I know of, that are a compilation of some [if not every one] of the Cayce readings on specific subjects,. They are published by the ARE. One book is titled "The Origin and Destiny of Man", the other is one or more of the books on Atlantis [I can't recall exactly at the moment]
Amilius, the Adam of the Red Race...[Adam means Red man according to a philologist of whom I've forgotten the name...and curiously Adam does sound very much like Atman of the Sanskrit tongue but that tongue was not of the Red Race but is the root mother tongue of the White Race] was the same soul that incarnated another [according to Cayce] 30 times before his last and 'final' incarnation, as that of the man known, as Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth.
There are many conjectures on who or what Lilith was...some say it was a woman of human form but not one that God created, rather one that a soul created for itself...Amilius' first physical form was his own creation and not one of Gods either. Amilius had intercourse with Lilith... there was an offspring. That's when God got a bit upset with what was occurring and called this union between Amilius and Lilith and the resultant offspring as a blasphemy.
God gave Adam a God made physical form to which Amilius obligingly took as his physical vessel and leaving the one he had created himself for himself took possession of the perfect form God created as male for Him. In a little span of some more time, God had created a perfect, [non blasphemous] feminine form...that first human female, perfect in design and form.... that very woman that most all of us know in these times as Eve. Yet, although, the first perfect human male, known as Adam, was created as a correct and most proper seat and home for the soul that is known as Amilius, this perfect human female physical form was not created so as to be given to...not offered to be a possession of... the consciousness that was of Lilith. [...as she didn't contain a 'soul']
I got it from another very revered source, [revered to myself and a number of others, anyways] ...that Lilith didn't have a soul as she was not a physical form that was a creation of one of the souls wandering around this planet and observing, desiring and creating and taking physical form in. This same source of of info stated that in fact she,[or more properly, it,] was a creature of the animal kingdom...thus only possessing 'Spirit'...and not soul.
[...now, just a little more on this before I get to Sabian interpretation of Lilith...That's all I'm going to cite here from Cayce, as that is all that is needed for the purpose of explaining this matter...]
In my over 50 years of studying different philosophies and religions, I have met a number [a few...a very few] of highly illumined beings, of whom have knowledge, that is, of the most esoteric and occult of any, possibly even all, such knowledges that can be defined by the terms esoteric and occult, as such.
It was from a Christian Science mystic that I got this [Yes, there are Christian Science mystics and yogis, those that apply Yogic Science to their own particular belief system... [In Japa Yoga, mostly all that one needs to do is just apply a name{s} of their own archetype{s}, ascended master{s}, boddhisatva{s} ...et al... in any prayer, incantation, mantra, etc.] ...and what this Christian Scientist told me, makes sense to me and a number of the aforementioned illumined beings....ready for this?... Lilith was a goat...the offspring that Amilius was responsible for creating, His offspring, His son, was a creature with the upper body of a humanoid and the lower body of a goat...it had/has horns on it head. It, [or He] is known by many as having the name of Satan.
When God called both Satan, and His mother Lilith, a blasphemy Satan became an avowed enemy of the race of perfect men that was then being created. He then found an ally, guess who...you all know it...Lucifer.
That's why there are two names for, the so called at times, Devil...because they are two different entities. [And those of you that insist otherwise...think about this...Lucifer was an Angel and accounts and reports on him state that he has a human form with wings....why would an Angel have the lower body of an animal..hooves and all? [and Horns...!]
Now bearing in mind, all that I've related up to this point in this post. Let me nowstate here what the most prevalent, commonly circulated and espoused effects attributed to that point in space known as Lilith.
According to the website "Angelfire":
"A little-known element in astrology charts, Lilith is known as the "dark Moon" and, as such, represents our "dark" or hidden emotional selves. According to Lois Daton, author of "Lilith, The Planet of the Doodler," the physical existence of Lilith was confirmed by the United States Weather Bureau in 1879. Lilith is the name used for two different celestial bodies - one is located in the asteroid belt and is not our subject here, the other is an invisible body orbiting the earth approximately three times farther away than the Moon, Luna. It is this Lilith which is of interest here.
Lilith's placement in the chart is especially important to women, and represents the power of the original woman. In a man's chart, Lilith's placement will reveal the hidden power struggles or other issues he may have, resolved or unresolved, with the women in his life.
Lilith was known to the Chaldean astrologers; the Egyptians called her Nephthys. The name Lilith is derived from the old Semitic word for night, "lel" or "lelath", in Arabic "laylah," which also means "ghost" or "spectre" in Hebrew. She is associated with the Death card in Tarot and with the goddesses Persephone, Hecate, Athena, Minerva. She is associated with the Owl, representing secrecy and wisdom, and she is frequently connected with cats.
Lilith is perhaps best understood in contrast to her counterpart, the visible Moon, Luna. Luna receives her self-fulfillment and self-definition through the nurturing of others. Lilith is self-fulfilled and self-defined. Luna represents the visible emotions; Lilith is those emotions which remain hidden or secret. Lilith lives behind-the-scenes, usually undetected. She can be sneaky or deceptive, but she can also indicate our ability to be subtle, to guide and manage events and people without being intrusive. She is our ability to be private, and her placement in the chart will tell you what the native feels most secretive about. As a Moon, Lilith is also associated with mothering, but she is the strength of a mother protecting her cubs. Luna is soft and kind and nurturing. Lilith is strong, a disciplinarian, and will kill any who threaten the well-being of her offspring. Lilith is protective and self-protective.
She protects herself from her own toxic emotions, becoming the guardian of shame, guilt, hatred, vengefulness, bitterness, envy, jealousy. We look for Lilith in our charts to discover which defense mechanisms we employ to hide our wounding."
From the "Astrodienst" website another description:
[I edited out the comments about the effects of a transiting Lillith are to ones personal chart...I'll keep them seperate and print them at the end of this posting of mine....or, maybe not]
"During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. ...[The following explains the meaning of where it is found in ones natal chart.] ...The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."
(Joëlle de Gravelaine in "Lilith und das Loslassen", Astrologie Heute Nr. 23)
Well, so it would appear that a concise description of the effects of Lillith as to where it is found in a natal chart [Astrodienst]" is indicating where we acquiesce to the will of the Cosmos/ The Creator/God." [Angelfire] "She is our ability to be private, and her placement in the chart will tell you what the native feels most secretive about. & We look for Lilith in our charts to discover which defense mechanisms we employ to hide our wounding."
I know that a few of you members are going to berate or censure me for bringing my 'proposed' birth chart for Jesus/Yeshua into this topic but I wish to use what data I find there for a zodiac degree for Lillith and do an analysis utilizing the above descriptions of the effects of the Natal position of Lillith as they then apply to what is symbolically found there in the Sabian Symbol. [and maybe...hopefully...you'll now understand why I call the birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua, "A TEMPLATE FOR THE TIME"...!!!!! ]
The position of Lillith on April 2, 0003 AD @ 5:23 pm was at 13* Aries 07'. The Part of Spirit/Soul for this same chart is @ 13* Aries 10'. That's the same degree of the Zodiac, the 14th degree of Aries...and I define the Part of Spirit/Soul as symbolically the attitude, action that comes naturally to you and thus you don't need to constantly remind yourself to incorporate it into your mental attitude or be applying it to all actions that you take...all work, duties and such. It is the opposite formula of that of the Part of Fortune and the Sabian Symbol found for ones Part of Fortune is the very application, that you must be ever consciously aware of and applying to to your attitudes and actions to activate and realize the beneficent results, i.e. to be Fortunate ...it symbolically represents how you can best add a Cosmic Principle/Power, Force, The Will of God... to your actions to achieve the completion of your dharma or life mission here in this present incarnation.
As the Sabian found for Lillith is that which is symbolically pictured as the way in which we can be open and trusting and let the Comic energies, i.e. the Creator/Gods' Will, flow through us and direct us...Then it is very similar in effect to that of ones Part of Spirit/Soul...as both give a general, non specifically targeted overall ease to all the other things going on in your life. It's just that the Sabian Symbol found at the Part of Soul is a natural condition that is one with our being, and no effort is needed to recall the symbolism or remind oneself of it or make an effort to manifest and maintain in action, mental attitude, or pre-condition, to approach or being receptive, to achieve an ease and oneness of a flow of the Cosmos/of Creation as we naturally acquiesce to what principle symbolically described by the Sabian Symbol without having to make conscious effort to will it so. What is symbolically found in the image of the Sabian Symbol at the degree of the Zodiac where ones natal placement of Lillith is found at, is a symbolical image to remember, of that which one needs only to surrender to, embrace, acquiesce to, and become one with in beingness and identity, as it then thus allows ourselves more of what will open to that flow of Cosmic force that seeks us and lets, our lives be, more of ease with, and oneness with, the Tao, the FLOW!.
[From Rudhyars book on the Sabian Symbols...
and once you've read this you should then understand why I gave the lengthy discourse on the Cayce reading identifying Jesus as the Adam of the Book of Genesis.]
" (ARIES 14°): A SERPENT COILING NEAR A MAN AND A WOMAN.
KEYNOTE: Identification in bipolar relationship with the impersonal rhythm of natural energy.
The symbol for Phase 4 pictures a man and a woman in love walking together. At this new and more mentally stimulated level of experience and consciousness, a third factor appears: the serpent, whose coiling represents the spiral-like process of evolution - not merely "sex" according to the maker of cathartic symbols, Sigmund Freud. We can understand this "triangular" image — man, woman and the serpent — if we relate it to the preceding one in the series, the unexploded bomb of the anarchist or activist. The urge to blow up some structure which somehow has become in the activist's mind a symbol of the Establishment — the ruling elite — is usually the protest of an alienated and often immature mind that refuses relationship, because in the relationship he would occupy a subservient position. In this symbol, the serpent represents the acceptance of relationship by the two polarized human beings.
There must be a polarization before there can be fulfillment. The tragedy of so many contemporary lives is that, having become sharply individualized, the men and women cannot find their truly matching polar-opposite. Because they are not fulfilled at the root level of human emotions and vitalistic forces, they pass their lives seeking the ideal complement, often glamorized as the "soul mate." This search can find its expression at several levels. At the mystical level we have the examples of the "spiritual marriage" of Saint Francis of Assisi and Santa Clara, or recently of Sri Aurobindo and Mother Mira.
The Adam and Eve story (in Hebrew, Ish and Isha - much more significant names!) refers to this principle of polarization, although the story has been turned upside down by priestly intellects to serve their purposes. Adam and Eve accepted the Presence, not of the Tempter, but of the Individualizer, who sought to have them born out of the womb of unconscious passivity to Nature's God. But the result of the experience frightened them. They "hid"; they failed in the great test of individualization, and in this sense the archetype of that failure is deeply imbedded in man's generic unconscious. It is repeated time after time.
Modern "individuals" are confronted with another test, but they do not understand its meaning. It is the test of polarized conscious participation in the evolutionary process - a polarization that could dissolve alienation, isolation and egocentricity. In a sense at least, this was the old Tantric concept in India; but today many young people accept the concept only superficially and miss its real essence. They cannot understand the meaning of entering into the serpent, i.e. of developing eonic consciousness and that transpersonal living which once was characterized by the words: Not I live, but Christ lives me - Christ, whose symbolic number in Gnosticism is 888.
At this fourth stage of the third five-fold sequence, we are confronted with an image suggesting the transpersonal way to the "cosmification" of desire and the conscious acceptance of polarization as the solution of the problems generated by individualization. But this need not mean what is currently meant by "sex" and the glorification of the orgasm. It implies rather the RITUALIZATION OF RELATIONSHIP."
If Cayce's accounts are true [I don't doubt them, myself] then it makes perfect sense as the symbol for Lillith in Jesus/Yeshua's birth chart...as His soul had something He had to be secretive of...As Cayce said in answer to a question. [ reading #1092]
Q. When did the knowledge come to Jesus tha He was to become the Savior of the world?
A. When He fell in Eden.
At this present time, I understand this to mean, that because He was kicked out of Eden,[ and, possibly also, because, if the Christian Science Mystic is correct, He is also the father of Satan...] He was responsible for all subsequent generations of mankind being cast out...& also,
Possibly set the stage for subsequent sins...He died not for our sins [per se] but for HIS OWN and the sins of Man that followed as He was in part ,if not wholly, responsible for those sins too.
[This is the revised and edited text...thank you.{that too was written many years ago. ptv, Feb, 14, 2020}] ptv
Ive never really got a handle on the meaning of Lilith in Astrology myself. By that I mean I don't state anything about it conclusively...but in this craft* that's more the rule than the exception. *[aspiring to be recognized as a science...which it will be someday.]
I never paid any attention to Lilith until 1998 or 99. It came up alot in the composite and synastry charts I was drawing up between Miss X and myself. and for a few other people in synastry and/or composite charts of their companionships.
All I had was an assumption, a conjecture at best, which had developed from what I could find written about the subject, that Lilith was a person, although, more than likely a 'creature', that had become identified with, the dark side of the feminine that one, especially a man, does not want to encourage...much less have to encounter...
At this point in this post, I'm now going to bring up a couple of the readings of Edgar Cayce here...for those of you that don't believe in Cayces' validity, his proclivities or any truth to his readings ...pass this by please...
...and to those who feel otherwise, bear with patience through this following account [Legend,{or myth} if you'd prefer] because it will become clear why I had to, give this info/explanation, when I explain how the Sabians are to be interpreted through the Astrological Lilith that is found on ones birth chart.
Cayce said that there were 5 "Adams", one for each of the 5 races. The Adam of the Hebrew Bible is that first existing being of the 'Red Race' as most all of, what are the, oldest books of the Bible originated in and came from Atalantis to Egypt with the migration of Atlantean survivors that came to Egypt for refuge and a new start, These Atlanteans, that migrated to Egypt, brought along with them their own knowledge and their own indigenous rites of their particular spiritual path, and also knowledge and applications of other 'sciences'. Once they had been accepted by and had settled in Egypt, it wasn't long before they introduced and established the spiritual belief and it's various rites, that was known in those ancient times as the Aton religion, which by all the accounts I've heard about concerning the Lost Continent, was a true, and very refined understanding of Spiritual laws, how to work with them for the most effective affects in the most beneficial manner, for the newly created living species known as 'Mankind' [according to Cayce about a quarter of a million years ago] and how to utilize them in material applications, [Sigmund Freud had deduced and conclusively stated that what we know in the world today as Judaism or Hebrewism is in fact those same belief
But it evolved, or was re-explained or re-invented during the long Exodus, [according to Freud there were no Israelites, Hebrews or Jews as they are presently known and recognized as such, and that the Exodus really only consisted of the Priests of the Aton faith of Egypt of which the man known as Moses was the High Priest of, and the Levites, as they are called in the Bible, in all truthfulness, but only those lesser Priests of the Aton. [and I would assume that their immediate families were, or would have been included also.] ...According to Freud, the 'Exodus' probably did last as long in time as has been stated to have been, and as is currently believed to be historically factual by most Biblical scholars. As Freud stated in his book, "Moses and Monotheism" [available in just about every college book store, public library etc. and...it's not too long a work...really, almost more of a 'treatise' in length.] Moses and the Priests wandered the deserts for all those years looking for friendly, spiritually aware, intelligent and civilized, peoples. ...especially groups of people to transfer the knowledge that is known to me, and to us presently, as that given by Moses and the Levites, as Judaism.
The soul of the man known to be and called Adam, in the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible, was/is known as Amilius. Each and every soul has an eternal, true name that was given to it in the beginning. The great Swamis', yogis and gurus and of the Orient know this...as they have always known...due to the revered, respected, sacred, honored and practiced Guruampara..the teaching, the bestowing, the direct transmission of sacred knowledges and truths from one person to another in only oral fashion. Swami to Guru to Guru to Yogi. Never kept in written form, but retained intact, inviolate and unchanged in image, form, or words in the mind and memories of those who are of the most accomplished at achieving and maintaining a singular unity, identification, concentration and absorption ability of inviolate, unalterable, changeless integrity.
According to Cayce, before the creation of the first 5 Men, the 5 Adams of the 5 different races, souls were observing the activity of the 'animals/beasts' that roamed the Earth, and that, these 'animals' although being conscious living, animate and sensing creatures, they were created soul less and thus were nothing more and were as one and the same as... in whole with and yet also a part of... the inanimate physical universe..[r.e. the flora, the fauna, the very elements and form of the planet itself. i.e. all of Gods creation, and as much a part of the physical universe as any other 'matter' has 'spirit' shared among them.] and these souls, not incarnate in any physical form, eventually became tempted to take a physical form of their own creation
Thus eventually these souls realizing their ability to do so did create for themselves, physical living forms. These numerous and individual souls, of consciousness and thought were, in a very short while, creating all types and sorts of various looking and functioning beings from images conceived from their thoughts and gestated in their own minds. After some period of time in taking possession of these entities/beasts/living forms of there own creative manifestation, there soon was all kind of different forms, too numerous to count and what thus resulted was a menagrie of all sorts of imaginable and unimaginable monstrosities. According to Cayce some of these aberrations were the very same described 'minotuars, 'centuars' and other such creatures that, we ourselves know in our present times as creatures of myths of a time that is so distantly far back in the past...that presently humankind can't recall where or when we saw them, yet we can't seem to forget the subconscious memory of them...because... they indeed, most certainly did exist at one time.
Yes folks; Bestiality. I am talking about multiple. random, wanton 'bestiality' here on Earth before the groovy couple [Adam and Eve...Ish and Isha in the Hebrew tongue] got together. There were all sorts of entities born of various beasts/animals that were half humanoid looking...Some were half mammals, some were half reptilian, some were half fish, some half bird...all sorts. [You can read a lot more about this in at least a couple of books I know of, that are a compilation of some [if not every one] of the Cayce readings on specific subjects,. They are published by the ARE. One book is titled "The Origin and Destiny of Man", the other is one or more of the books on Atlantis [I can't recall exactly at the moment]
Amilius, the Adam of the Red Race...[Adam means Red man according to a philologist of whom I've forgotten the name...and curiously Adam does sound very much like Atman of the Sanskrit tongue but that tongue was not of the Red Race but is the root mother tongue of the White Race] was the same soul that incarnated another [according to Cayce] 30 times before his last and 'final' incarnation, as that of the man known, as Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth.
There are many conjectures on who or what Lilith was...some say it was a woman of human form but not one that God created, rather one that a soul created for itself...Amilius' first physical form was his own creation and not one of Gods either. Amilius had intercourse with Lilith... there was an offspring. That's when God got a bit upset with what was occurring and called this union between Amilius and Lilith and the resultant offspring as a blasphemy.
God gave Adam a God made physical form to which Amilius obligingly took as his physical vessel and leaving the one he had created himself for himself took possession of the perfect form God created as male for Him. In a little span of some more time, God had created a perfect, [non blasphemous] feminine form...that first human female, perfect in design and form.... that very woman that most all of us know in these times as Eve. Yet, although, the first perfect human male, known as Adam, was created as a correct and most proper seat and home for the soul that is known as Amilius, this perfect human female physical form was not created so as to be given to...not offered to be a possession of... the consciousness that was of Lilith. [...as she didn't contain a 'soul']
I got it from another very revered source, [revered to myself and a number of others, anyways] ...that Lilith didn't have a soul as she was not a physical form that was a creation of one of the souls wandering around this planet and observing, desiring and creating and taking physical form in. This same source of of info stated that in fact she,[or more properly, it,] was a creature of the animal kingdom...thus only possessing 'Spirit'...and not soul.
[...now, just a little more on this before I get to Sabian interpretation of Lilith...That's all I'm going to cite here from Cayce, as that is all that is needed for the purpose of explaining this matter...]
In my over 50 years of studying different philosophies and religions, I have met a number [a few...a very few] of highly illumined beings, of whom have knowledge, that is, of the most esoteric and occult of any, possibly even all, such knowledges that can be defined by the terms esoteric and occult, as such.
It was from a Christian Science mystic that I got this [Yes, there are Christian Science mystics and yogis, those that apply Yogic Science to their own particular belief system... [In Japa Yoga, mostly all that one needs to do is just apply a name{s} of their own archetype{s}, ascended master{s}, boddhisatva{s} ...et al... in any prayer, incantation, mantra, etc.] ...and what this Christian Scientist told me, makes sense to me and a number of the aforementioned illumined beings....ready for this?... Lilith was a goat...the offspring that Amilius was responsible for creating, His offspring, His son, was a creature with the upper body of a humanoid and the lower body of a goat...it had/has horns on it head. It, [or He] is known by many as having the name of Satan.
When God called both Satan, and His mother Lilith, a blasphemy Satan became an avowed enemy of the race of perfect men that was then being created. He then found an ally, guess who...you all know it...Lucifer.
That's why there are two names for, the so called at times, Devil...because they are two different entities. [And those of you that insist otherwise...think about this...Lucifer was an Angel and accounts and reports on him state that he has a human form with wings....why would an Angel have the lower body of an animal..hooves and all? [and Horns...!]
Now bearing in mind, all that I've related up to this point in this post. Let me nowstate here what the most prevalent, commonly circulated and espoused effects attributed to that point in space known as Lilith.
According to the website "Angelfire":
"A little-known element in astrology charts, Lilith is known as the "dark Moon" and, as such, represents our "dark" or hidden emotional selves. According to Lois Daton, author of "Lilith, The Planet of the Doodler," the physical existence of Lilith was confirmed by the United States Weather Bureau in 1879. Lilith is the name used for two different celestial bodies - one is located in the asteroid belt and is not our subject here, the other is an invisible body orbiting the earth approximately three times farther away than the Moon, Luna. It is this Lilith which is of interest here.
Lilith's placement in the chart is especially important to women, and represents the power of the original woman. In a man's chart, Lilith's placement will reveal the hidden power struggles or other issues he may have, resolved or unresolved, with the women in his life.
Lilith was known to the Chaldean astrologers; the Egyptians called her Nephthys. The name Lilith is derived from the old Semitic word for night, "lel" or "lelath", in Arabic "laylah," which also means "ghost" or "spectre" in Hebrew. She is associated with the Death card in Tarot and with the goddesses Persephone, Hecate, Athena, Minerva. She is associated with the Owl, representing secrecy and wisdom, and she is frequently connected with cats.
Lilith is perhaps best understood in contrast to her counterpart, the visible Moon, Luna. Luna receives her self-fulfillment and self-definition through the nurturing of others. Lilith is self-fulfilled and self-defined. Luna represents the visible emotions; Lilith is those emotions which remain hidden or secret. Lilith lives behind-the-scenes, usually undetected. She can be sneaky or deceptive, but she can also indicate our ability to be subtle, to guide and manage events and people without being intrusive. She is our ability to be private, and her placement in the chart will tell you what the native feels most secretive about. As a Moon, Lilith is also associated with mothering, but she is the strength of a mother protecting her cubs. Luna is soft and kind and nurturing. Lilith is strong, a disciplinarian, and will kill any who threaten the well-being of her offspring. Lilith is protective and self-protective.
She protects herself from her own toxic emotions, becoming the guardian of shame, guilt, hatred, vengefulness, bitterness, envy, jealousy. We look for Lilith in our charts to discover which defense mechanisms we employ to hide our wounding."
From the "Astrodienst" website another description:
[I edited out the comments about the effects of a transiting Lillith are to ones personal chart...I'll keep them seperate and print them at the end of this posting of mine....or, maybe not]
"During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. ...[The following explains the meaning of where it is found in ones natal chart.] ...The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."
(Joëlle de Gravelaine in "Lilith und das Loslassen", Astrologie Heute Nr. 23)
Well, so it would appear that a concise description of the effects of Lillith as to where it is found in a natal chart [Astrodienst]" is indicating where we acquiesce to the will of the Cosmos/ The Creator/God." [Angelfire] "She is our ability to be private, and her placement in the chart will tell you what the native feels most secretive about. & We look for Lilith in our charts to discover which defense mechanisms we employ to hide our wounding."
I know that a few of you members are going to berate or censure me for bringing my 'proposed' birth chart for Jesus/Yeshua into this topic but I wish to use what data I find there for a zodiac degree for Lillith and do an analysis utilizing the above descriptions of the effects of the Natal position of Lillith as they then apply to what is symbolically found there in the Sabian Symbol. [and maybe...hopefully...you'll now understand why I call the birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua, "A TEMPLATE FOR THE TIME"...!!!!! ]
The position of Lillith on April 2, 0003 AD @ 5:23 pm was at 13* Aries 07'. The Part of Spirit/Soul for this same chart is @ 13* Aries 10'. That's the same degree of the Zodiac, the 14th degree of Aries...and I define the Part of Spirit/Soul as symbolically the attitude, action that comes naturally to you and thus you don't need to constantly remind yourself to incorporate it into your mental attitude or be applying it to all actions that you take...all work, duties and such. It is the opposite formula of that of the Part of Fortune and the Sabian Symbol found for ones Part of Fortune is the very application, that you must be ever consciously aware of and applying to to your attitudes and actions to activate and realize the beneficent results, i.e. to be Fortunate ...it symbolically represents how you can best add a Cosmic Principle/Power, Force, The Will of God... to your actions to achieve the completion of your dharma or life mission here in this present incarnation.
As the Sabian found for Lillith is that which is symbolically pictured as the way in which we can be open and trusting and let the Comic energies, i.e. the Creator/Gods' Will, flow through us and direct us...Then it is very similar in effect to that of ones Part of Spirit/Soul...as both give a general, non specifically targeted overall ease to all the other things going on in your life. It's just that the Sabian Symbol found at the Part of Soul is a natural condition that is one with our being, and no effort is needed to recall the symbolism or remind oneself of it or make an effort to manifest and maintain in action, mental attitude, or pre-condition, to approach or being receptive, to achieve an ease and oneness of a flow of the Cosmos/of Creation as we naturally acquiesce to what principle symbolically described by the Sabian Symbol without having to make conscious effort to will it so. What is symbolically found in the image of the Sabian Symbol at the degree of the Zodiac where ones natal placement of Lillith is found at, is a symbolical image to remember, of that which one needs only to surrender to, embrace, acquiesce to, and become one with in beingness and identity, as it then thus allows ourselves more of what will open to that flow of Cosmic force that seeks us and lets, our lives be, more of ease with, and oneness with, the Tao, the FLOW!.
[From Rudhyars book on the Sabian Symbols...
and once you've read this you should then understand why I gave the lengthy discourse on the Cayce reading identifying Jesus as the Adam of the Book of Genesis.]
" (ARIES 14°): A SERPENT COILING NEAR A MAN AND A WOMAN.
KEYNOTE: Identification in bipolar relationship with the impersonal rhythm of natural energy.
The symbol for Phase 4 pictures a man and a woman in love walking together. At this new and more mentally stimulated level of experience and consciousness, a third factor appears: the serpent, whose coiling represents the spiral-like process of evolution - not merely "sex" according to the maker of cathartic symbols, Sigmund Freud. We can understand this "triangular" image — man, woman and the serpent — if we relate it to the preceding one in the series, the unexploded bomb of the anarchist or activist. The urge to blow up some structure which somehow has become in the activist's mind a symbol of the Establishment — the ruling elite — is usually the protest of an alienated and often immature mind that refuses relationship, because in the relationship he would occupy a subservient position. In this symbol, the serpent represents the acceptance of relationship by the two polarized human beings.
There must be a polarization before there can be fulfillment. The tragedy of so many contemporary lives is that, having become sharply individualized, the men and women cannot find their truly matching polar-opposite. Because they are not fulfilled at the root level of human emotions and vitalistic forces, they pass their lives seeking the ideal complement, often glamorized as the "soul mate." This search can find its expression at several levels. At the mystical level we have the examples of the "spiritual marriage" of Saint Francis of Assisi and Santa Clara, or recently of Sri Aurobindo and Mother Mira.
The Adam and Eve story (in Hebrew, Ish and Isha - much more significant names!) refers to this principle of polarization, although the story has been turned upside down by priestly intellects to serve their purposes. Adam and Eve accepted the Presence, not of the Tempter, but of the Individualizer, who sought to have them born out of the womb of unconscious passivity to Nature's God. But the result of the experience frightened them. They "hid"; they failed in the great test of individualization, and in this sense the archetype of that failure is deeply imbedded in man's generic unconscious. It is repeated time after time.
Modern "individuals" are confronted with another test, but they do not understand its meaning. It is the test of polarized conscious participation in the evolutionary process - a polarization that could dissolve alienation, isolation and egocentricity. In a sense at least, this was the old Tantric concept in India; but today many young people accept the concept only superficially and miss its real essence. They cannot understand the meaning of entering into the serpent, i.e. of developing eonic consciousness and that transpersonal living which once was characterized by the words: Not I live, but Christ lives me - Christ, whose symbolic number in Gnosticism is 888.
At this fourth stage of the third five-fold sequence, we are confronted with an image suggesting the transpersonal way to the "cosmification" of desire and the conscious acceptance of polarization as the solution of the problems generated by individualization. But this need not mean what is currently meant by "sex" and the glorification of the orgasm. It implies rather the RITUALIZATION OF RELATIONSHIP."
If Cayce's accounts are true [I don't doubt them, myself] then it makes perfect sense as the symbol for Lillith in Jesus/Yeshua's birth chart...as His soul had something He had to be secretive of...As Cayce said in answer to a question. [ reading #1092]
Q. When did the knowledge come to Jesus tha He was to become the Savior of the world?
A. When He fell in Eden.
At this present time, I understand this to mean, that because He was kicked out of Eden,[ and, possibly also, because, if the Christian Science Mystic is correct, He is also the father of Satan...] He was responsible for all subsequent generations of mankind being cast out...& also,
Possibly set the stage for subsequent sins...He died not for our sins [per se] but for HIS OWN and the sins of Man that followed as He was in part ,if not wholly, responsible for those sins too.
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