Marilyn Monroe

[david starling]

Very true.
Also, going back to the beginning of the twentieth century, with very different access to transportation, public offices, and hospitals, many births took place at home.
After a day or so the father went to the registry in the nearest town to register the birth, which was often given as the day he appeared in the registry office, if not just "the other day". Let alone the time!

Since I discovered tropical, precessional, Earth-Sun Ages by following the clues available from the sidereal, precessional, Earth-Sun Ages back in the late 70s, I'm not surprised it's a Time-ruled tropical Age. Consider how precise timekeeping has become compared to ancient times. How did astrologers handle the angles before there were accurate, synchronized mechanical clocks? The minute-hand wasn't invented until 1577!

 

[piercethevale]

Since I discovered tropical, precessional, Earth-Sun Ages by following the clues available from the sidereal, precessional, Earth-Sun Ages back in the late 70s, I'm not surprised it's a Time-ruled tropical Age. Consider how precise timekeeping has become compared to ancient times. How did astrologers handle the angles before there were accurate, synchronized mechanical clocks? The minute-hand wasn't invented until 1577!

The very basis of my contention is that true natal astrology has only been known of since there has been true natal records kept, and not immediately either. It actually began with my generation, i.e. the Baby Boomers, as it wasn't until the late 60's - to sometime in the, early to mid, 70's that there were enough accurately recorded birth times for people by which to honestly assess valid Astrological technique.

The "Classicists" and "Traditionalists" of astrology have got nothing on me, or you, as they practice horary astrology as applied to the natal.
Merely seconds in difference between what is recorded and what was actually the truth can make a noticable difference in the overall horoscope for an individual. I place great emphasis on the Sabian Symbols and the Asc. changes every 4 mins. Even a few seconds can make a great difference in the relevant symbolism of the personality as the degree of the Asc. changes, and so does the symbolism of the Po Fortune, and other key Astrological Parts.
The were some great astrologers that had to work with minimalist data, such as Grant Lewi, who wrote a terrific book, "Heaven Knows What", which is a wonderful compendium of the 144 different Sun-Moon combinations you might find a person to be among one of. Those kind of observances could be accomplished with generalizations of birth times, but the finer points of Astrological analysis are still just presently coming into their own.

 

[Bjorkstrand]

The late marilyn monroe. No consideration for other people.

She didn't commit suicide. She was murdered.

High IQ? She's not smart enough to tell a joke.

 

[Ukpoohbear]

The late marilyn monroe. No consideration for other people.

She didn't commit suicide. She was murdered.

Undoubtedly an absolute nightmare to work with, but I don’t think it was due to a lack of consideration to other people. I think it was due to trauma and insecurity that crippled her.

What makes you think she was murdered? I don’t think she was. There is too many people who knew her, who were not shocked at all by either an accidental death or a suicide.

She had t-Saturn approaching her DC, off the top of my head. And she was going through a very stressful and depressive time of her life, career wise and in her personal life.

Her career was basically over and her luck had run out. Her worst nightmare was to end up in an institution like her mother, and the only thing stopping her being out into one, was because she could afford a personal doctor and nurse.

Her career was over, due to her inability to work. Here is Tony Curtis, her co-star from Some Like It Hot, echoing what Laurence Olivier is saying about her being a nightmare to work with. Eventually, the Hollywood studios had enough of her too and fired her —



The longer version —

 

[ElenaJ]

Murder or suicide?

 

[Bjorkstrand]

JFK told her about aliens. Her phone was bugged. She was going to tell EVERYBODY. Therefore the usa government CIA took her out.
bye bye

 

[Ukpoohbear]

A very interest 3 minute video from Marie-Louise von Franz where she explains what happens when a woman plays out the Anima projection to men. She discusses Marilyn Monroe and how it just exacerbated her loneliness and doomed her relationships.

A fallen Venus in Aries as most elevated planet, a deal with the devil?

 

[piercethevale]

JFK told her about aliens. Her phone was bugged. She was going to tell EVERYBODY. Therefore the usa government CIA took her out.
bye bye

Donald Trump has said that he will release the truth about who killed JFK and that he will deport the aliens. And where did Joe DiMaggio go? "Joltin Joe" just left and went away, hey, hey, hey. Hopefully, so will "Sleepy Joe" and the CIA, one day. Coo coo ca choo, buckeroo.

 

[FraterAC]

JFK told her about aliens. Her phone was bugged. She was going to tell EVERYBODY. Therefore the usa government CIA took her out.
bye bye

Very highly unlikely, if fanciful.
I think a reason MM might've been -- silenced -- if in fact that's what was done, is much easier to imagine.

 

[Ukpoohbear]

I’ve stated my opinion about all of the conspiracy theories a few times on this thread —

There are plenty of quotes from those who knew Marilyn, who were not at all surprised by her passing away from a drug overdose.

One plausible reason, is Marilyn was known to deliberately take an OD, with the expectation that she would be rescued, either by calling someone, or because there was someone nearby.

The other reason is that Marilyn had a genuine and very serious addiction to sleeping pills. She ‘shopped around’ to get different prescriptions from different Dr’s, and most likely acquired extra drugs while on her recent trip to Mexico. Anyone who was addicted to sleeping pills, like Judy Garland attested to, understands how easy it is to forget how many you have taken. Marilyn suffered from chronic insomnia and could simply have gone over her usual limit, which was way above the normal prescribed limit as it was.

So for these two reasons, either an accidental overdose, or a deliberate one with the expectation of being rescued, were very characteristic of Marilyn’s behaviour.

I think the conspiracy theories take away from the real struggles of this very real and courageous women - the effort she put in to escape her childhood trauma, and the monumental success she obtained in the notoriously cold Hollywood, have to be commended. Whereas, the conspiracy theories make her nothing more than a victim of men.

After her death, she became more famous than she was when she was alive. Countless people claimed to know her, wrote about her, or published photos they shouldn’t have, because they saw the dollar signs. A lot of that is even still going on even today, with silly claims from people who didn’t even know her.

For some reason, most fans are more drawn to the Neptunian conspiracies, than they are to wanting to know more about this real woman. That’s got to be their own issues with Neptune because none of it is rooted in common sense or facts.

 

[piercethevale]

This isn't astrology related but I have had this weird sense of connectedness to the movie, "The Misfits".
As you may recall, last April I moved into the old Reno hotel, the El Cortez, where Marilyn stayed during the filming of that movie, and currently has a large, blown up, photograph of her and Arthur Miller in their lobby.

Back in December of '75, I moved to Truckee, Calif., which is about 32 miles West of Reno, via Interstate Hwy 80. In early '76 i took in a roomate to share the small cabin I had at the old Hilltop Inn [the oldest ski loge West of the Rockies]. The Hilltop had been out of the ski business for years but the cabins and the apts. in the old multi-room lodge were still being rented to the public. It was a haven for a lot of "hippies" back then, those that had left the cities and wanted to live in the alpine region of the Sierra Nevada Mts. My roommate was a fellow by the name of Rob Stack [Yes, his name was actually, Robert Stack, but no relation to the actor] and Rob was from New England. During that Summer Rob bought a use pickup truck. It was a yellow 1958 GMC longbed stepside, with a custom, diamond plate, rear bumper.

Now of all makes of pickups, those models that are longbed stepsides are the rarest. He had truck or many years, even up to the last time I saw him, in 1984, when I left Truckee, and moved to L.A. for 9 months [where I live with my brother and got an intensive study in Astrology from my bro,].

It was a few years later that I saw the movie, "The Misfits", for the first time. The movie is in black and white, but in the movie there is a 1958 GMC longbed stepside, that is of a light color, and quite possibly yellow.
Considering the rarity of the year and model of that truck, even back in 1976, it gave me cause to think... could Rob have bought the exact same truck that was featured in that movie? He bought it locally, is all I can remember and that may have even been from someone in Reno.

Rob is no where to be found nowadays, and I have no idea of what became of him or that truck.
So, I guess that I'll never know... but.... Yeah, "BUT"? What if, ya' know?

 

[Peakachoo79ta]

Marilyn Monroe was actually a very practical person. Her South Node was in the 6th house (the Virgo house), and it was also in Capricorn. Her life path, during her life, was to learn how to heal her childhood (Cancer) wounds in private (12th house). Her North Node was in Cancer, in the 12th house.