MOON TRANSITS Are Not "Weak" They Depend On TOTALITY Chart TESTIMONIES - also Transiting LUNAR ECLIPSES

[conspiracy theorist]

MARS is TRANSITING HOUSE 6 OPP0SING NATAL MARS
SATURN is TRANSITING OPPOSING MC

Hmm that's funny... I am not seeing the Moon transit in this comment. I suppose you forgot it.

 

[FraterAC]

MARS is TRANSITING HOUSE 6 OPP0SING NATAL MARS
SATURN is TRANSITING OPPOSING MC

Transiting Mars is actually 17:57 out of orb of opposition of radical Mars. Saturn is however 52' from opposition to the radical MC, if separating.
More significant as a day marker is the Quotidian MC (by Solar phase angle) in opposition to radical Mercury (within 10'). Mercury rules the 10th House from the 12th.
Transiting Pluto is square radical Moon (05').
Someone versed in Traditional elements would be expected to notice that the transiting Moon is conjunct antiscion Sun (01'), as of the timestamp I found for Biden's announcement.

But let's investigate progressions in effect to determine whether or not the transiting Moon had any impact as a trigger for them.
And let's remember to keep politics out of this, and discuss the astrology only.

The chart below shows the birthchart on the inner wheel and the transits for 7/21/2024 1046 EDT and the Quotidian angles, calculated using the natal Sun-MC phase angle, on the outer wheel.

 

[katydid]

Transiting Mars is actually 17:57 out of orb of opposition of radical Mars. Saturn is however 52' from opposition to the radical MC, if separating.
More significant as a day marker is the Quotidian MC (by Solar phase angle) in opposition to radical Mercury (within 10'). Mercury rules the 10th House from the 12th.
Transiting Pluto is square radical Moon (05').
Someone versed in Traditional elements would be expected to notice that the transiting Moon is conjunct antiscion Sun (01'), as of the timestamp I found for Biden's announcement.

But let's investigate progressions in effect to determine whether or not the transiting Moon had any impact as a trigger for them.
And let's remember to keep politics out of this, and discuss the astrology only.

The chart below shows the birthchart on the inner wheel and the transits for 7/21/2024 1046 EDT and the Quotidian angles, calculated using the natal Sun-MC phase angle, on the outer wheel.
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I am trying to understand what the question of the progressions has to do about deciding if the Moon's transit is a trigger or not. The Moon either is a timing tool or it is not. But I don't see how looking at progressions affects that question. I have not doubts there will be prominent progressions indicating this internal struggle. I thought the question we had was whether or not there were Lunar transits denoting it?

In this case , of Biden's surprise announcement to withdraw, The Moon was just 2 hours past the exact square between transit Moon and his natal Moon. I'm sure it took awhile for them to set ups the actual announcement. I think that during the most intense portion of that transit, the several hours prior to exact, he was probably actively being browbeaten by his political colleagues, insisting he make that decision to withdraw.
IMO.

 

[FraterAC]

I am trying to understand what the question of the progressions has to do about deciding if the Moon's transit is a trigger or not.

If the Moon's transit does not act in connection with appropriate progressions, then we have a fail in this case of the transiting Moon correlating with this significant incident.
There is no connection between the transiting Moon and anything having to do with Biden's announcement of his decision to drop out of the race. The square to his natal Moon in the 5th house, ruling his 8th, has no connection to what must be considered a very significant moment in his career and public life (10th house). Neither does it have anything to do with his 9th house (politics) or 1st house (expression, putting himself forward, asserting himself).
So if the Lunar transit can't be linked to some progression that does have to do with this significant career decision (which effectively ended Biden's public life) then that transit has failed to demonstrate the assertion.

 

[katydid]

If the Moon's transit does not act in connection with appropriate progressions, then we have a fail in this case of the transiting Moon correlating with this significant incident.
There is no connection between the transiting Moon and anything having to do with Biden's announcement of his decision to drop out of the race.

I disagree. The transiting Moon/Pluto was tightly squaring his natal Moon. That represents an emotional conflict, a looming decision that must be made to lessen that tension.

The square to his natal Moon in the 5th house, ruling his 8th, has no connection to what must be considered a very significant moment in his career and public life (10th house).

The Moon's Placement of a PRESIDENT's natal does not have same house descriptions that you or I have. For him, the 5th/8th house meanings are much bigger, and can indicate things like the Stability of Stock Exchange, Ambassadors from Foreign countries, Other people's money, including Foreign Debt, Capacity to meet public financial obligations, the Presidential cabinet, the Public's money and financial health, etc.

So the President's 5th House Moon is automatically connected to the 10th of public life because EVERYTHING in his life is public and interconnected with the public responsibilities that he has.

At the time of this transit he was actively campaigning for re-election. A lunar square involving his natal Taurus Moon impacts his emotional state.

Neither does it have anything to do with his 9th house (politics) or 1st house (expression, putting himself forward, asserting himself).

EVERYTHING he does involves politics when he is the sitting President and is in the middle of a heated election on the world stage. IMO

That QUESTION about re-election was an ongoing issue, even before the Lunar transit. It was beginning to hit the press and social media and the talk shows---SHOULD he stand down. I'm sure his handlers were discussing it with him passionately. It's been said he was stubbornly resisting the suggestion.

So when he had the Pluto transit exactly squaring his Moon in Taurus, he probably began to question it himself. That would indicate a possibility of self doubt and uncertainty. Pluto square Moon in fixed signs and succedent houses= doubt, uncertainty, insecurities leaking through the wall of self confidence.

The Moon came through and triggered that insecurity, that self doubt, concerning his 2nd House of security and self worth challenging his 5th House of leadership, strength and energy. Did he really have enough energy, strength left to pull it off anymore?

Those are all 2nd/5th/8th houses issues. Strength of reserves, Self worth battling with one's true desires and heart, and one's wishes. Did he really want to be the President again? That square triggered his uncertainty, imo. Did he have doubts whether he could win again?

That is a 5th house concern, imo. It was a gamble, a big risk. And his 2nd and 8th described his insecurities concerning support/both financial and public. IMO

So if the Lunar transit can't be linked to some progression that does have to do with this significant career decision (which effectively ended Biden's public life) then that transit has failed to demonstrate the assertion.

I disagree. I think that Lunar square from his 2nd, with Capricorn on the cusp,[The second house is where you tend to your physical body and all that it needs to endure. ]
----- to his natal Taurus Moon, in 5th/8th, which denotes his hopes, wishes, desires need for security and love/respect, and financial comfort, and fears about the unknown future, compelled him to drop out.

 

[FraterAC]

So the President's 5th House Moon is automatically connected to the 10th of public life because EVERYTHING in his life is public

Well, I plainly disagree. If we make the houses mean whatever we want them to mean, then, yeah, anything works.
No. I disagree.

 

[JUPITERASC]

They Depend On TOTALITY Chart TESTIMONIES Yes, everything depends upon the totality of the testimonies. Interdependence.​

PRESIDENTIAL not only NATAL considerations
i.e.

The Moon's Placement of a PRESIDENT's natal does not have same house descriptions that you or I have.

For him, the 5th/8th house meanings are much bigger, can indicate things like the Stability of Stock Exchange, Ambassadors from Foreign countries, Other people's money, including Foreign Debt, Capacity to meet public financial obligations, the Presidential cabinet, the Public's money and financial health, etc.

So the President's 5th House Moon is automatically connected to the 10th of public life because EVERYTHING in his life is public and interconnected with the public responsibilities that he has.

At the time of this transit he was actively campaigning for re-election. A lunar square involving his natal Taurus Moon impacts his emotional state. EVERYTHING he does involves politics when he is the sitting President and is in the middle of a heated election on the world stage. IMO

That QUESTION about re-election was an ongoing issue, even before the Lunar transit. It was beginning to hit the press and social media and the talk shows---SHOULD he stand down. I'm sure his handlers were discussing it with him passionately. It's been said he was stubbornly resisting the suggestion.

So when he had the Pluto transit exactly squaring his Moon in Taurus, he probably began to question it himself. That would indicate a possibility of self doubt and uncertainty. Pluto square Moon in fixed signs and succedent houses= doubt, uncertainty, insecurities leaking through the wall of self confidence.

The Moon came through and triggered that insecurity, that self doubt, concerning his 2nd House of security and self worth challenging his 5th House of leadership, strength and energy. Did he really have enough energy, strength left to pull it off anymore? Those are all 2nd/5th/8th houses issues. Strength of reserves, Self worth battling with one's true desires and heart, and one's wishes. Did he really want to be the President again? That square triggered his uncertainty, imo. Did he have doubts whether he could win again?

That is a 5th house concern, imo. It was a gamble, a big risk. And his 2nd and 8th described his insecurities concerning support/both financial and public. IMO I disagree. I think that Lunar square from his 2nd, with Capricorn on the cusp,[The second house is where you tend to your physical body and all that it needs to endure. ]----- to his natal Taurus Moon, in 5th/8th, which denotes his hopes, wishes, desires need for security and love/respect, and financial comfort, and fears about the unknown future, compelled him to drop out.

 

[FraterAC]

So the President's 5th House Moon is automatically connected to the 10th of public life because EVERYTHING in his life is public

Regardless of the scale of a person's life, the areas of their experience remain governed by the same houses as anyone else.
Biden's 5th house may affect issues concerning children or education, or the entertainment industry, or tourism, on a national scale, but they remain 5th house issues. His own career, and by extension the prestige of the nation in general, remain the domain of the 10th house.
Yes, virtually everything the president does is public. But it is not directly related to his own personal career, and certainly, not an incident virtually ending the native's career like this one. The 5th house is NOT equivalent to the 10th house no matter where in the hierarchy of society the native is.

 

[JUPITERASC]

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Full Moon Gemini Astrology
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