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That's my Nadir. I know this symbol well :) Interestingly, in my work correlating the Sabian Symbols to films and stories, I find this one related to the film "Green Fingers." It's about "a prison inmate with a green thumb goes on to compete in a national gardening competition. Based on a true story."
My Natal Nadir is in the 14th degree of Virgo, and my paternal family was kinda aristocratic in the old times.
 
My Natal Nadir is in the 14th degree of Virgo, and my paternal family was kinda aristocratic in the old times.
That's a remarkable and appropriate configuration for someone descended from aristocrats--A family tree (Virgo 14) and its deep roots (Nadir)
 
That's a remarkable and appropriate configuration for someone descended from aristocrats--A family tree (Virgo 14) and its deep roots (Nadir)
Dane Rudhyar said that Virgo 14 is "An aristocratic family tree", so it's even more potent in my life because of Dane Rudhyar!
 
That's a remarkable and appropriate configuration for someone descended from aristocrats--A family tree (Virgo 14) and its deep roots (Nadir)
My paternal grandfather was a rich man back then, and it was reflected in my dad's style in the 1990s, and he wore vests, and he had an Audi automobile/car also! (I think that my ancestors were mine owners, as my dad's surname means coal, carbon). (I love the Virgo 14 Sabian Symbol so much, because even my overseas Chinese maternal great-grandfather was rich also!).
 
That's my Nadir. I know this symbol well :) Interestingly, in my work correlating the Sabian Symbols to films and stories, I find this one related to the film "Green Fingers." It's about "a prison inmate with a green thumb goes on to compete in a national gardening competition. Based on a true story."
Forgot to mention that this symbol is bi-quintile by natal 8th house Mars (Libra 28: A man in the midst of brightening influences).
 
I have this part in 3°33' Gemini, and the Sabian Symbol of my part of hidden identity is:
GEMINI 4: HOLLY AND MISTLETOE
In this instance, Druids used mistletoe to celebrate the coming of winter, and Christians use holly to decorate the house for Christmas, so for me, I'm the mistletoe (Radical Anarchist Christian Astrologer) and my family is the holly (Evangelical Christian Conservative YEC), and I'm feeling like I'm a hidden astrologer/Pagan, Wicca in my family, and so I want to leave my family ASAP when I'll be 18 years old to escape their conservative tactics to manipulate me into believing that Earth is 6000 year old.
I hope that the asteroid Gonggong will go out of orb of a square to my natal part of hidden identity soon, since Gonggong disrupts my inner liberated self that is versed in astrology...
 
My Natal Nadir is in the 14th degree of Virgo, and my paternal family was kinda aristocratic in the old times.
My Part of Service is in the same degree. .. and you should come to realize, if you haven't already, that it is about Spiritual Service [or it surely does for the more advanced souls incarnate here on earth. For the first, nearly 30 years, I was convinced that everyone was affected by all the planets. I had forgotten what I had read from one of the readings Edgar Cayce had given, and I had read it at least ten years before I got into studying astrology, maybe even further back, that "most people are affected by only 2 to 6 of the planets, and rare are those that are affected by more, and rarest of all those that are affected by all of them." [not an exact quote, but I'm not going to spend half the night trying to get it precisely correct, it's close enough if not exactly the same, word for word?] Then about 10 to 12 years ago, after my mother had died and I inherited all the books from her library, among which is Margaret Gammon's book on Edgar Cayce and astrology, I find that Cayce had said that Pluto was the rarest of all to be found of influence. [and surely then Neptune and Uranus follow Pluto in order of their rarity...

...AND THEN NO WONDER that most old school astrologers insist that those three planets are of no influence on any particular individual, because the further you go back in time the less people there were and more spread out from one another, in general. Thus most astrologers surely had to have rarely met anyone that was so influenced, and the majority of astrologers then likely would also be among those that had 6 or less planets of influence, and then likely would have shouted down, or drowned out, the few that had more, especially those that had all of them in influence, if there even were any of those "gifted" types that was practicing/studying astrology at any given time?
YET CAYCE ALSO SAID that those that will be influenced by Pluto in the future will soon come in greater numbers, and rather swiftly, like some vehicle cruising along at a slowly accelerating pace for the longest time just suddenly hitting the accelerator and shifting up in gears. I have been seeing the tale tell first signs of just that the last couple-few years, but what has more of my immediate interest at this tie are those born with sensitivities to Uranus and Neptune that came into incarnation in noticable numbers during the Uranus-Neptune conjunctions of the early to mid 1990's. The conjunction between those two planets only occurs once every 171 years. the time before that when those two were in conjunction was the period from early 1820, when they got within 2* 30' of one another, and then again that year in December, then in 1821 they got to the exact same point three times that year, in March, May, and December. They remained within 2° of one another most all of 1822 and both were in trine aspect to Saturn in 1823. Those souls, that the authors Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker described as, in their Astrologers Handbook, printed in 1973 [which I highly recommend because those two really must have known a number of folks influenced by the trans-Saturnian planets [they "NAILED IT", as far as I'm concerned concerning the Pluto conj. Asc. aspect. Had I not read their analysis I would've never have figured out that what I had witnessed, i.e. observing a woman that I had become a close, and intimate, friend with and whom had that same aspect in her natal chart, to be what one likely would also find in the natal chart of the Nazarene.] who were, and yet to be, born during "a period of major spiritual and scientific progress for humanity. Its occurence is marked by the incarnation of a whole group of highly developed souls who introduce new philosophies and political and social systems and thus furthers mans' evolution." Please note that those born at that time had just come into their most influential age of life, their 30's and 40's, in the 1850's and 60's, and consider what the United states went through politically and socially those two decades, The two authors then continued "the generation which has this conjunction as part of its horoscope is attuned to the subtle forces of nature and the unfolding of intuitive potentials. Natives are influenced by superphysical forces related to the sign and more particularly the House in which the conjunction is found. These factors will also have bearing on the affairs ruled by planets aspecting the conjunction favorably or unfavorably". The group born with this conjunction in the 1990's is just now hitting that same period of time in their own lives... and just when the United States will be undergoing its first Pluto return, [three occurrences coming this year. Direct in February, on the 22nd, and in Rx the 16th of July, and direct again in late December, on the 30th] adjusted for the 247 years, 7 months, and 16 days it will have been since the birth of the USA for this to occur at 01° Aqua. 01' 44".
If the nation survives this event combining with what is shaping up to be a real heavy weight bout this election year, then it will have to contend with its third natal Uranus return in 2028. So we have this "special" group of souls just hitting their influential stride, at the peak of their youthful vigor, contending with the Planet of Death and, or, Transformation aka Pluto, and the Planet of Sudden Change, aka Uranus.
 
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...and now getting back to the subject of the Part of Service, and Spiritual Service is what it is really about, at least for the more evolved souls here on earth... as for that 14th degree of Virgo being the location of mine, and that a number of people consider me to be the one mentioned by the author Trevor Ravenscroft, in his book, "The Cup of Destiny", which is allegedly derived from some stash of material that Rudolf Steiner either wrote, or got from somewhere else, the mythical, or legendary if you prefer, Parsival reincarnated [I'm not selling it, and nobody has to buy it, I'm just pointing something out here as if any of that is actually true then there is definitely some lessons in interpreting natal charts here, as I was, and still a bit am, the most skeptical of all. I was like: "Who, me? 7.2 billion people on this planet, at present, and I'm the lucky winner? Why the heck couldn't it be the lottery? That's only got odds of around 41.4 million to 1.] and the big prerequisite for to be considered to actually be him is that the ancestry would trace back to the House of David and in particular, Hannah/Anne, the virgin mother of the virgin Mariam/Mary. Ravenscroft wrote that Steiner believed that bloodline to be "particularly affected by astrological forces". Gee, like hitting the lottery twice with the same ticket... HOW LUCKY CAN AN ODD DUCK BE...!?! ..AND THAT'S NOT ALL, EITHER. MY, LATE, PRESENT LIFE MOTHER WAS ALLEGEDLY ALSO THE MOTHER OF PARSIVAL, AND ALLEGEDLY WAS HANNAH BEFORE THAT. NOW GET THIS... the esoteric, Gnostic sourced, number for the Virgin Mary is 55 [Jesus, the man, is 33... and not the Christ that He later became one with, the Christ's number is 888... and I think that everyone has already heard what the "Bad Boy's" number is allegedly? ] By Hebrew transliteration [the letter used in place of a number, like those rascally Romans did too] the Hebrew letter for the number 5 is the Hey, the equivalent to the English alphabet's letter H.

My mothers' maiden name was Helen Huff...and the first time I realized the connection, or coincidence, I thought to myself "Naw, cause moms' got a middle name too and it's ...and I nearly swallowed my tongue... Virginia...!?!" ...and she named her daughter Anne Marie [Hannah Mariam, in Hebrew] and me David [another coincidence, or sign?] Back in 2008, in March, I seem to recall, I asked for a reading from my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner, as I had noticed that the 5 missing points in my natal chart, of all the 22nd-23rd degrees of the 12 Signs, that if occupied would create a grand semi-sextile, a 12 point STAR, were about to all be occupied by transiting influences that year, at the same time, except the point in Virgo. So, I asked Clarisse if one of the yet undiscovered Planets might be heading there too. [as on a few previous occasions. she and I had gotten into the thing about undiscovered Planets, i.e. those yet to be known of, in our solar system ]

She said that was affirmative. But it wasn't going to be on the ecliptic plane, and rather well below it. She said for me to "think of it like that 3D chess you've seen them play on Star Trek" Well, I was most curious about this matter because the 12 point star is by some esoteric source [late edit: the author, Dorothy Leon] said to be the Path of Discipleship [or maybe it is the Star of the Path of Discipleship? It's something like that, anyways] Then, right before I was going to say, "Thanks" and hang up the telephone, She adds, Dave I'm seeing the number "55 and the words, Honor the Mother", does that mean anything to you? I thought for a second and then told her, "Well, I'm going to turn 55 this year and my birth date is May 6th, that's a 5/6, but I would have to take it to mean that I should give my Mom a bit more attentiveness and love this year, we have been kind of at odds with one another for some months, and that's when it struck me that the 55 has got a Hebrew transliteration, and I recalled that Rudhyar had wrote of it in one of his books. That's when all this stuff I wrote of above materialized. When my yogi friend, whom had been given reason to believe many years before I met him, that He was the reincarnated Parsival, and was about to loan me his copy of Ravencroft's book, Clarisse sends me a postcard, it went to the old hotel I had been living in for five and a half years, as I had finally started getting my civil service disability pension after sparring with the pension board over it for as long, and had just moved into the apt I'm presently still living in, and it was re-addressed by the hotel manager to where I left him the forwarding address to. I got the postcard the day before Suryakant drove over here to loan me his book. And here's a photo of the postcard and what Clarisse had written on the back of it.
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I had been doing Vedic Sun rites for about 6 years at that time, and I thought that the other knight "coming together to do battle" meant that as an opponent. Later on, a few months later, I realized she meant as a compatriot. Suryakant was born during the winter, had known little luxury his lifetime [He was 63 at the time] and He did come over the following day to deliver to me the book about the Holy Grail, and Parsival, and Sir Galahad, and all the other stuff that people think is just myth. Later, in a reading from, my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, I asked her if Suryakant had been Galahad in a previous life...she affirmed that. Then later on I read, some where, that it was Galahad that did obtain the Holy Grail and as a reward; 'The angels ascended him unto Heaven with having to suffer physical death"... Well, that's a description of an Ascended Master, one of the Great White Lodge, one that has "ascended... unto Heaven"....and it further stated, "and as a result He became a man of two realms" Suryakant's mid-haven is in the 7th degree of Aries. [From Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala". ]


ARIES 7°: A MAN SUCCEEDS IN EXPRESSING HIMSELF SIMULTANEOUSLY IN TWO REALMS.

KEYNOTE:
The first realization of the dual nature of man and of the possibilities it implies.

This symbol represents the antithesis of the thesis pictured ill Phase 6, yet in such a five-fold sequence what we see is contrast rather than opposition. The primordial one-sidedness of emotional and cultural manifestation actually calls for the compensatory ability to operate at two levels. Thus the primary dualism of Sky and Earth, of the divine and the human, of spirit and matter. The vision and the emotions are focused within sharply defined boundaries, but within these boundaries they express themselves at two levels. This is the foundation of religion as well as of magic.
A situation which has become characterized by this symbol can be successfully faced if its spiritual and material implications are understood and actualized.
At this second stage of the second five-fold sequence of symbols we see at work man's capacity for LIVING TWO SEPARATE LIVES -
and finding fulfillment and happiness in both. On this capacity are founded many of the complexities of human nature. "
...and the day Suryakant loaned me that book, the day after I got that postcard from Clarisse, I read in the book that Parcival [aka Piercethevale] was known as the
"Knight of the Sword, Knight of the Word, Knight of the Sun, and He whom reads the Starry Script."
...and that's my little demonstration, from personal experience, as to how all this s**t works in unison.
 
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Gonggong's a kind of Chinese beast, and it's a TNO in both astromomical and astrological world, too. No batteries at all, only self-charging.
I seem to recall that now. I think that the Tibetan equivalent is the Vajrapani? Well if it is, that is rather of particular interest for me, as I use the name "vajrapanee" on another email account. [because the name ending with the letter "i", was already taken, so I went phonetic].
I don't know much about the Chinese language, but as to the similarity of the word, an old friend, a gal by the name of Jennifer Daly, whom I was very much in love with, or infatuated with, many years ago, became a master of Qi Gong, which is an ancient Chinese healing art, and is the founder of "Inner River Healing Arts".
A more beautiful soul, I don't think I've ever known, [with the possible exception of my mother, but isn't every boys'?] Thinking about Her now, I'm realizing that I may still be in love with her. But it was not meant to be... I had my path to find yet, and Jennifer had hers to find.

Gee, where's "Dear Abby" when you need her?
 
Still not convinced?
Here's another example of "How this s**t works". [pardon my French]
The composite natal chart I cast for myself and that of the Nazarene, [using the chart I produced and contend is the actual natal chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus] produces a Part of Soul [Asc. + Sun - Moon] at 11* Pisces 44' 28", the 12th degree of Pisces.
According to Rudhyar [ibid.]
"PISCES 12°: IN THE SANCTUARY OF AN OCCULT BROTHERHOOD, NEWLY INITIATED MEMBERS ARE BEING EXAMINED AND THEIR CHARACTER TESTED.
KEYNOTE:
The ever-repeated challenge presented to the individual by the group in which he has claimed acceptance — the challenge to prove himself and his ability to assume responsibility effectively.

At any level of activity, sooner or later life itself demands of the individual that he or she stand up clearly and unequivocally to the ideal he himself has declared publicly his own. At the occult level the testing seems to be controlled and irrevocable. The 'initiate' has become a constituent part of an integrated field of mental-spiritual activity. He is therefore controlled by the structural order of the group. He is no longer seeking; having found his place, he must prove himself able to fulfill the function associated with it. He is no longer 'free' as an individual, for he has become a part of an integral Whole operating under structural principles of immense antiquity.

This second symbolic stage of unfoldment stands in contrast to the first in that the individual is now bound by collective laws and traditions. At a mundane political or business level he is the junior executive incorporated in a hierarchical institution. He has at all times to prove his worth.
QUALIFICATION is an apt Keyword."

So, there again, the Great White Lodge, aka the "Great White Brotherhood", comes into the "picture", my life picture, anyways. I'm trying hard to pass the test. At this point in my life, I don't think that I'm going to "ace" it, but I'm sure hoping for a passing grade.

I've got some more of these personal examples, if anyone is at all interested?
 
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Greetings. I begged for this separate forum for Astrological Parts for a couple of years and now that it is a reality I haven't initiated a thread to this date.
I have been rather bogged down with matters of personal business, friends with health issues, family issues, tax issues and putting together what will hopefully become another book that I've been working on with fellow member Phoenix Venus.

We've been wrestling with trying to fully understand some recent revelations we had with the Part of Hyleg as we discovered that not only the New Moon or Full Moon that was closest before birth that is of great significance as for it being also known as the of the "Root of Life" (as it is said that the word "Hyleg" is in reference to. And not to be confused with the Planet that ones determines is the "Hyleg" of their chart...which I have yet to personally use as I haven't had the time to look into it and learn the techniques involved.) but that the post and pre-natal New Moons reveal through the Sabian Symbol, found for the degree they are in, very relative and most significant precepts of action, attitude or intellectual approach (as that is how the Sabians were catagorized by Dane Rudhyar. Actually they were identified as lots of five degree each changing in the same order from Aries 01*, every five degrees as "Actional", "Emotional-Cultural" and "Individual-Mental") that will take an important role in your unfolding dharma during your lifetime.

It's not that these symbolic precepts are born along with you as part of your psychological nature (as that is what modern natal astrology is basically, that is, a map of your psychological being) they are representative of what your "Lot in life" will be of a necessity in your future so as to specifically guide you down the path of your dharma so that you have a fighting chance to accomplish it.
Kind of funny in a sense. ... where as the Part of Hyleg is also known as the Part of Life (Root of Life, Radix Vitae) and since Parts may also be called "Lots" that I find it to be about ones' "Lot in life" and more to its nature than that of the "Lot of Life"... or maybe that was what it was known as in times of great antiquity and like so many things from that long ago, translations of archaic tomes and relief found on stellas and the like, "lost something in the translation".

What Phoenix Venus and I found in synastry and in composites is "off the hook" and I have been wanting to write of it but need Her permission as it will require sharing some of her natal chart. My chart is posted all over this forum so I have nothing to hide anymore... but it is wise not to reveal everything about yourself. Many of the long time members here have never revealed anything about their own natal charts. Personally, when it comes to astrologer to astrologer, if I show you my chart it is only courteous to show me yours if you are going to engage me in debate as to some other interpretation or method of technique is to be utilized other than the one I have used... as a considerable amount of weight is given to me by the very structure and nature of my chart, it gives me the edge in personal experience. My natal chart being so multifaceted in that there are so many polygonal astrological matrices, a good many incomplete but they still have some effect and at times even are made complete by transiting influences and chart progression, and given enough of those in ones natal chart to have to deal with and understand... that it is a master course in astrology just living day to day and referring the days events to my natal and progressed natal chart.

In my chart I have oppositions and conjunctions, trines, quintiles, sextiles and septiles... octiles (or semi-squares), noviles and semis galore...-sextiles,-quintiles, -septiles, tredeciles, sesquares and quincunxes... a Grand Trine, a Grand Cross, a "Mystic" or "Harmonic" rectangle... I've got 'em all.

Check back with this sub-forum, time to time, as I know Phoenix V. is likely to go along with initiating a thread on these three Parts of Hyleg, and Hyleg-esque like Parts, and will have some interesting and enlightening stories of her own to share.

But... I sure have digressed here, haven't I?
To the Part of Hidden Identity aka the Part of Oration. It is one of the old Arabic Parts as it is found by the formula of, Ascendant + Saturn - Moon....
[the remainder of this first post I had to cut due to length limitations of the new format, in order to post my own reply below]
I am unable to edit old posts of mine, that I find fault with, due to confusing sentence structure, spelling, grammar, etc. that are over 10,000 characters in length, as the new format then only recognizes that it's over 10,000 and won't allow me to re-post it after doing so. unless I drastically reduce the content, but that throws everything off as to the posts in reply, and anything I might have made reference to later on that was cut from the original post.

In the first post above. I should had written that it's not only the New or Full moon before birth, whichever was closest, but that the pre-natal New and Full Moons, along with the post-natal New and Full Moons all showed significant symbolic relevance to my natal chart and my life long experiences, as well as those same four Moons to the known affairs and spiritual evolution and attainment of Yeshu'a/Jesus the Nazarene, and Phoenix Venus found the same for herself. Not to mention that the composite natal chart Phoenix made of herself and the Nazarene produced the same four Moons that my natal chart produced, that is in the exact same degrees and the exact same Signs. If that isn't something beyond coincidence, then I don't know what is?
I also wanted to edit and correct where I wrote, "...where as the Part of Hyleg is also known as the Part of Life (Root of Life, Radix Vitae) and since Parts may also be called 'Lots' that I find it to be about ones' 'Lot in life' and more to its nature than that of the 'Lot of Life' " I had meant to write, "...more to its nature, than that of the title 'Lot of Life' " [or Part of Life]

There maybe more in that first post that I've yet to discover needs correcting yet... but it's 2:30 a.m. here, and I'll have to proof read it all some other time. I just wanted to get as much straightened out as I did right away, for the reason that if I were some other member reading it for the first time, I don't know if I would have continued reading any further or not?
 
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