There are at least 4 other symbol systems. Two others are the symbols of Charubel and the symbols of Sepharian. The combination of these three can be very very enlightening sometimes.
Sure, there are many of those kind of degree symbols, but they are not Sabian Symbols as per what and why this thread, turned a "Stickey", is all about.
Yes, they can be very, very enlightening, in that once you start trying to use them for any astrological interpretations you'll soon realize the veracity and value of the real deal, the Sabian Symbols ...that is, only if you've already spent adequate time utilizing the Sabian Symbols and
have no trouble with comprehending symbolism in general.
As both Marc Edmond Jones and Dane Rudhyar noted that the system given by Cherubel was symbols that were workable and of some relative value but the two of them both declared them to be too difficult to comprehend for even themselves as pertaining to a great many of the symbols to certain and specific degrees of the Zodiac and I seem to recall that there were many that they never did 'see' any real connection as to matters of astrology.
I saw the connection the very first time for the very first Sabian Symbol I was shown by my brother in 1984...at which time I was visiting him in Los Angeles and hadn't seen him for over three years. Since I had last visited him he'd gotten laid off from work and was awaiting the promised immanent recall almost two and a half of those years.
As the avid reader that he has always been, He read a multitude of books on astrology which, I was kind of a shocked to find out as we had been raised by staunch believers in the records of the "Readings" given by the late, great, 20th century American clairvoyant, Edgar Cayce, whom we also had studied and become convinced of the near infallibility of those, painstakingly, hand recorded [in steno] readings by Gladys Davis from the first one to the last he ever gave over a period that lasted over 30 years. Cayce said and repeated on numerous sessions when asked about the value of using or studying the subject, that, astrology, certainly was a valid science and of inestimably valuable, thousands of years ago in Humankinds' all but completely forgotten past of great antiquity but the understanding of it and the applications of analysis and interpretation had fallen as to such a degree that it was not only useless but of great potential damage to apply to ones birth data at that time.
My brother told me that after reading dozens and dozens of books on the subject in that idle time He was convinced He had found enough truth remaining in it to make it a viable hobby, if nothing else, but believed He could take it further in the right direction and help cull out some of what was wrong about it.
I was beyond skeptical, I was nearly of total disbelief. I even figured that what he'd claimed to have found to be correct was, at best, some of those old adages about what Sign, was what Element, what gemstones and colours were associated with the signs, what planet was love, which was war...that sort of astrological "knowledge".
He showed me the first natal chart for myself that I had ever seen [accurate anyways, as he did have my birth time of day which I didn't even know... or remember I had known, but forgotten... back then as he had asked our mother for it. I had seen a Sun chart drawn up with the notation that I was very likely a Scorpio Asc. in '76] and I sort of tried to give it the brush off by commenting that I had been told before that I was a Scorpio rising and my gemstone was an emerald and he interjected and said yes, all that but you never saw it with the axis in correct position and pointed out that my Moon. Sun and Pluto were conjunct all the other three points other than the Asc.
He then declared that Pluto was near unquestionably the most influential Planet in my chart to me. He made mention of a few things about my personality, and mannerisms etc that He saw as confirmation of this.
I still wasn't sold beyond it being a bit more of a curiosity than I believed it to have been previously. Then Daniel pointed to the degree of Pluto and read me the Sabian Symbol and analysis, definition and summation by Dane Rudhyar.
I definitely bought at least "a pound of That!", that evening. After 9 more months that we lived together again for the last time since childhood I was "preaching to the choirmaster himself" before I left to return to Northern Calif. and make a second try at a go of it with my, now, 'ex' wife, of a short 5 years.
Daniel told me that it was stacked against the relationship lasting but as she ad I were both Taurus he admitted that dogged determination or downright stubbornness to change might just give it that chance.
He was right about it being stacked against us.
But, I'll never forget seeing what he was implying and why he chose Pluto from my chart to try to sell me as to not just dismiss the study with a wave of my hand.
It was the first real answer as to what occurred to me some 16 years earlier the very first time I was given instruction in yoga, meditation and a mantra to try and did so.
Making "samyama' on the bij-mantra, OM, the first attempt at age 15. Which He knew of as I had told him bout it and discussed it with him many times over the years as to why i chose a path of Oriental origin while he was drawn to that of the shamanistic.
He had explained to me that Pluto is the "Planet of Death and, or, Transformation." and backed up the statement by showing me numerous concurrent statements to that fact in many books of astrology that he read and possessed. Then noted that my natal Pluto was given 'a little extra something' being as within the considered allowable orb of a conjunction to the M.C. and having got me primed and ready for the closing sales pitch, he noted its' Zodiacal degree and sprung upon me the Sabian Symbol.
My Pluto is in the 21st degree of Leo and the "Keyword{s}" summation by Rudhyar on that degree is the
"PREMATURE EXPANSION OF CONSCIOUSNESS"
Why don't you start a thread on one of these other set of symbols that you find so usefull and demonstrate how and why on the chart of someone publically well enough known to know, at least a few, intimate details about as to enlighten myself and others?
I'd be delighted to read your findings as well.
