Age of Aquarius May Not Be So Great

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The astrological implications are of course, that Leo is going to be the dominant sign of the material/spiritual contradiction, not Aquarius. Aquarius comes after the individuals (Leo comes first astrologically), come together after they learn and know of themselves and their own individual personality/self, then they become part of a planet of these. Pisces meant that the other worlds were supposed to come, which is why there was going to be a second coming of a "Christ" like figure. But Aquarius is a step away from that, like a reduction in policy, and a different theme altogether. It was no longer about just serving, it is now about finding one's self.
 
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The astrological implications are of course, that Leo is going to be the dominant sign of the material/spiritual contradiction, not Aquarius. Aquarius comes after the individuals (Leo comes first astrologically), come together after they learn and know of themselves and their own individual personality/self, then they become part of a planet of these. Pisces meant that the other worlds were supposed to come, which is why there was going to be a second coming of a "Christ" like figure. But Aquarius is a step away from that, like a reduction in policy, and a different theme altogether. It was no longer about just serving, it is now about finding one's self.
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The age of Aquarius is emancipation from Capricornian realm of restriction and laws, and also Piscean realm of delusions and deceit, too, and Aquarius is also about finding your own positive, psychic self, so you'll manifest it through an Aquarian lens in a positive way to radicalize the authoritarianists to become more socialist in nature, much like Aquarius' humanitarianism
 
Pluto is the "icebreaker" for the Great Transition into the Age of Aquarius.

In nautical terminology, an icebreaker is a special ship built to be able to break open a channel through ice-obstructed waters, for other ships to use to get through.

Pluto is currently conjunct the tropical Age-marker in the last degrees of tropical Capricorn. Symbolically, it's having difficulty getting through the Capricorn/Aquarius sign-boundary - the ice is thick - so it's going to take three tries, and the 3rd try's the charm, after which it will remain in Aquarius all the way from Nov. 19th 2024 to March 08 of 2043.

Less than 4 years later, in January of 2047, the true-setting of the tropical Age-marker will achieve First Ingress into tropical Aquarius in nearly 22,000 years.
 
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Since each astrological Age has a profound effect on ALL charts, both natal and Mundane, both in the moment, and for Century after Century, in the same sign and with the same sign-ruler, it behooves tropical astrologers to take that effect into account.

The tropical Age-sign ruler is like the "Overlord" of every tropical chart, and the aggregate effect is what causes humanity to accept that Overlord's version of Reality for the duration of the Age-marker's time in the sign it rules.

It's currently in tropical Capricorn, so Chronos/Saturn "rules the roost", and we live in a Saturnian-Capricornian version of Reality, in which materialistic Linear Time restrictions are of paramount importance.

The Aquarian Age will free us to explore another version of Reality under the influence of the Uranian rulership of the Age, a MUCH different type of Overlord, which will enable us to continue living on the Earth while being able to experience the timeless, "higher" realms of existence as well. Literally, it will be an entirely NEW version of our shared Reality.
 
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After this age... I truly cannot wait, if I live long enough.

The Age of Pisces – The Age of Deception and Illusion

I present a way of looking at the Age of Pisces from a different perspective. The Sun goes through all 12 signs of the zodiac annually and the zodiac also changes signs approximately every two thou…
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I've been trying to explain that there are two ways for determining the precessional Ages, one retrograde and sidereal, the other direct and tropical.

So if you're a tropical astrologer, the Aquarian Age to look forward to is the tropical one, being preceded in tropical charts by the tropical Age of Capricorn now culminating as it nears its ending, NOT by the sidereal Age of Pisces, which does NOT even appear in tropical charts.
 
Saturn as a deity was very important to the Romans and Chronos was the Greek form. Chronos or Kronos is both time and the cycles of the planet.
 
david starling said:
I've been trying to explain that there are two ways for determining the precessional Ages, one retrograde and sidereal, the other direct and tropical.

So if you're a tropical astrologer, the Aquarian Age to look forward to is the tropical one, being preceded in tropical charts by the tropical Age of Capricorn now culminating as it nears its ending, NOT by the sidereal Age of Pisces, which does NOT even appear in tropical charts.
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It's the age of Pisces because everyone is deceptive and I also say so just as you point to things being materialistic.
Materialism will exist in all ages the physical reality, except in the age of Pisces, the material is the illusion and you are falling into it head first, the issue is that regardless of who or where you are in life it is almost impossible to be of sound mind because what is going on behind the scenes is often deeply hidden.

Now if I wanted to prove this I would ask for every individuals chart who aligns with your thoughts, then line up the cause of such thinking plus if we had the data and facts of your externeral reality also so your physical being, what you do on a daily basis, what you do to stop you from learning more... that gives way more objectivce data, but alas as with the age of Pisces, you can be whatever you think you are rather than what you are.

If Saturn was our governing body we would all be like me who has a dominant Saturn in Capricorn, but we all are not like me, and so we lose all rigid bounds to logic and reality since it is whoever agree's, not what is truthful that wins. My thoughts are shockingly grave and realistic, I will live, I will die, for that reason I am neither above nor below, anti-thesis to the ego which is the shining Sun, I am more descriptive of Lucifer the light bearer.


It is a fact that also life has no meaning, it is illogical and people are becoming more moved away from collective belief but into individualism.

Well of course, the age of Aquarius is close is why.

Also David, if you are an Aquarian, you suffer from rigid thinking, absolutes...

Neptune has been in domicile for too long and it's effects are showing up in trying to be something you are not, sex changes, meaning of being female or male, no rigid bounds to anything, Saturn is now in Pisces, compatible with me, trines my Sun, sextiles my Saturn and is first house.




Here we have a song that depicts objective reality of human life, mixed with the feeling of life.

 
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david starling said:
Elitism's about believing you know what everyone else should do. Like-minded elitists form organizations to promote their agendas. Nothing new or Aquarian about it. Also, Aquarians I know personally tend to support the arts along with environmental causes and humane treatment of other species, in addition to our own. But they aren't of the opinion that everyone has to be like them. Just out of curiosity, what's your basis for determining what an "Aquarian Age" would really be like? There's a lot of anti -Aquarian Age rhetoric out there, from evangelists and Atheists alike. I don't think the "New Age Movement" types are indicative of the upcoming Aquarian Age, although they attempt (pretty successfully) to claim it. Just my opinion.
The "Occupy Movement" had an Aquarian flair to it though.[IMO]
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You have attempted this since 2015 in this thread.

Self deception, how Pisces!

You seem to have lived longer than I since you carry a lot of the dogma of that age, that we are still in by the way.

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I will leave this here.

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The Pluto in Scorpio Generation Will Change the World

The Pluto in Scorpio generation, those born from 1983 to 1995, will change the world using ancient wisdom.
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They Will Change Everything​

This generation was born under weighty star material and many come across as old souls. The ingresses went like this:


  • Pluto into Scorpio in 1983
  • Neptune into cardinal earth Capricorn from 1988 to 1995
  • Uranus in Capricorn from 1988 to 1995
  • Saturn in Capricorn in 1989 and 1990
  • In 1993, Uranus and Neptune were exact at 18-19 degrees Capricorn. This group will dream up new, sometimes shockingly disruptive plans for society. They have sight beyond the entrenched ways, and their imaginations are geared toward a new dream for Earth.
Those born in 1989 and 1990 have Saturn-Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn and Pluto in Scorpio, making them a force to be reckoned with. Many are driven and are great strategists, able to work hard for a long-term goal with the patience to wait for their time.


They will rewrite history in foundational areas, using ancient wisdom. They'll revamp currency and production in favor of self-sustaining practices. Some will go deep into sexual power as a tool for transformation.



Regenerating (Pluto) Through Inside-Out Transformation (Scorpio)​

  • Cathartic, altering experiences in war, economic devastation, homelessness, debt, sexual degradation/merging/corruption
  • Healers that hone in on the root causes of dis-ease
  • Healing the mind-body split further with soul retrieval, ensouling practices, and the power of soulful presence


Astrologers' Thoughts About This Generation​

Phil Brown of Astro Future Trends writes:


“Today’s Pluto in Scorpio generation can be quite off-putting to many older adults ... The challenging Pluto in Scorpio square to Pluto in Leo (those who were born approximately 1939-1958) means that Baby Boomers—a huge swath of the population—find this generation especially troublesome and difficult.”
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Joann Hampar, author of "Astrology for Beginners" writes:


“This is the generation that will make medical breakthroughs, find cures, and even new life through artificial means.”
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The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Astrology, by Madeline Gerwick-Brodeur and Lisa Lenard, writes:


“Pluto in Scorpio natives (remember, Pluto is Scorpio’s ruler) are sensitive to their environment, are emotionally intense, are intrigued by the mysterious, and seek spiritual regeneration, sweeping away anything that stands in the way of their quest.”
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Suns, when it comes to the astrological Ages, I'm using real astrology, based on what's in our charts. You're using suppositions that aren't reflected in a tropical chart, but can be explored in a sidereal chart.

The astronomy explains it - the Age-marker that determines this Age of Pisces is the Vernal Point, as it transits a sidereal zodiac due to precession of the Equinox.

The ONLY reason we can say the sidereal Aquarian Age is approaching, is because the Vernal Point is moving closer (retrograde) to the Pisces/Aquarius boundary line. Planets and even stelliums have NOTHING to do with determining WHEN these Ages end and begin.

And the reason the tropical zodiac requires a DIFFERENT Age-marker, is because the one being used for the sidereal chart, the VP, is ALREADY BEING USED to locate the First Point of tropical Aries each Spring. So, it CAN'T transit the tropical zodiac - it stays put at 0 degree tropical Aries.

The "rigid thinking" is by those who refuse to admit even the possibility that the tropical zodiac has ITS OWN precessional Age-marker, in place of the sidereal use of the VP.
 
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Elitism's about believing you know what everyone else should do. Like-minded elitists form organizations to promote their agendas. Nothing new or Aquarian about it. Also, Aquarians I know personally tend to support the arts along with environmental causes and humane treatment of other species, in addition to our own. But they aren't of the opinion that everyone has to be like them. Just out of curiosity, what's your basis for determining what an "Aquarian Age" would really be like? There's a lot of anti -Aquarian Age rhetoric out there, from evangelists and Atheists alike. I don't think the "New Age Movement" types are indicative of the upcoming Aquarian Age, although they attempt (pretty successfully) to claim it. Just my opinion.
The "Occupy Movement" had an Aquarian flair to it though.[IMO]



IT seems you don't actually know anything David, a few years back you ended up then becoming what you said others were.
 
The suns backside said:
david starling said:


Elitism's about believing you know what everyone else should do. Like-minded elitists form organizations to promote their agendas. Nothing new or Aquarian about it. Also, Aquarians I know personally tend to support the arts along with environmental causes and humane treatment of other species, in addition to our own. But they aren't of the opinion that everyone has to be like them. Just out of curiosity, what's your basis for determining what an "Aquarian Age" would really be like? There's a lot of anti -Aquarian Age rhetoric out there, from evangelists and Atheists alike. I don't think the "New Age Movement" types are indicative of the upcoming Aquarian Age, although they attempt (pretty successfully) to claim it. Just my opinion.
The "Occupy Movement" had an Aquarian flair to it though.[IMO]



IT seems you don't actually know anything David, a few years back you ended up then becoming what you said others were.
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I'm just presenting empirical evidence that supports the tropical Ages as they are, when using precession of the Earth's Perihelion. Astronomy tells us the sidereal Age-marker, the VP, which transits the sidereal zodiac, simply cannot be used for the tropical zodiac.

Sun why can't you accept the possibility of tropical Ages which are different than the sidereal?

Btw, if you have Saturn in Capricorn in tropical, chances are you have it in Sagittarius when you change to sidereal, which does show a retrograde Age of Pisces.
 
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david starling said:
I'm just presenting empirical evidence that supports the tropical Ages as they are, when using precession of the Earth's Perihelion. Astronomy tells us the sidereal Age-marker, the VP, which transits the sidereal zodiac, simply cannot be used for the tropical zodiac.

Sun why can't you accept the possibility of tropical Ages which are different than the sidereal?

Btw, if you have Saturn in Capricorn in tropical, chances are you have it in Sagittarius when you change to sidereal, which does show a retrograde Age of Pisces.
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Why can't you accept tropical?

Words are not evidence.
 
Suns, I draw tropical charts, and identify with my tropical chart. However, I accept sidereal astrology as operational simultaneously with tropical on a different wavelength. It depends on which wavelength you're most tuned into, whether or not you consider yourself a tropicalist or a siderealist.

The sidereal zodiac's precessional Age-marker is about the length of a sidereal year compared to a tropical (meaning seasonal) year.

The tropical zodiac's precessional Age-marker is about the length of a tropical year compared to an "anomalous" year, which is the time it takes the Earth to return to its "perihelion", when it's closest to the Sun on its elliptical (oval-shaped) orbit.

The tropical Age is direct, so the tropical Age of Capricorn precedes the tropical Aquarian Age. And, the length of a direct tropical Age is about 1,800 years, instead of about 2,160 years for a retrograde sidereal Age, with the sidereal Aquarian Age preceded by the sidereal Age of Pisces. It's purely coincidental that both systems have an Aquarian Age coming up next.

 
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The advantage of the tropical Ages compared to sidereal Ages is twofold - (1) Direct, rather than retrograde. Retrograde is counter to the regular flow of the sign order, and not as easy to interpret. And (2), the tropical zodiac has definite, agreed upon placement of sign-boundary locations. For that reason, astronomy can tell us when the tropical Age-marker in everyone's tropical chart has ingressed Aquarius; and, the length of a tropical Age as well, so we can accurately know when all of the tropical Ages end and begin.

The length of a sidereal Age can be known using astronomy, but not a definite beginning or ending for a sidereal Age, when the sidereal Age-marker leaves one sign and ingresses another. That's because of very widespread disagreement over exactly where the 12 equal sidereal signs are located relative to the 12 unequal constellations of the zodiac. The difference of opinion on that, leads to different opinions on when the ingress occurs, amounting to as much as 500+ years separation. And, there's endless arguing about it.

This extremely wide disparity in start-years for the sidereal Age of Aquarius is due in large part to tropical astrologers who choose a specialized sidereal zodiac, for sidereal Age purposes ONLY. For everything else, and chart reading, they go tropical.

For the astrologers who use a sidereal zodiac for chart readings including ALL placements, the disagreement amounts to about a 3 degree difference for sign-boundary locations, or about a 250 year difference as to when the sidereal Age of Aquarius will begin.
 
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I really think that the rise of the Industrial Revolution and modern technology is a much better correlation to the tropical Age of Capricorn (Cardinal/Earth - Innovative/Materialism) than to an Age of Pisces or Aquarius.
 
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Who came up with the material world striving for wealth and senseless destruction of yourself in the Age of Aquarius.? This world is material and is working on tough business. This Age of Capricorn. But the blind do not mind discriminating things in their ignorance think sensibly attributed it to Aquarius.
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Here's someone who's sure it's an Age of Capricorn, although there's no astronomy included - possibly intuitive, but no longer here to explain it.
 
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A quick look back at Ancient Greece and Rome arising in the tropical Age before Capricorn - the Age of Sagittarius - perfect correlations.

Zeus/Jupiter, King of the gods, and Apollo, the god of archery and the 9 Muses, and it's been called the "Age of Heroes". The Olympiad Games were dedicated to Zeus/Jupiter, with Apollo's Pythian Games in between. Our astrology's from that Age, and one of the Muses was Urania, goddess of astrology and astronomy.

And, before that, what better Age than Scorpio for the mysterious culture of Ancient Osirian Egypt? The ancient Babylonians even created the imagery of the Constellation of Scorpio in reference to Egypt, which was known for scorpions swarming the banks of the Nile in the Fall season.

 
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Interesting that William Herschel, the astronomer who discovered Uran, named the planets moons after the magical Faery folk in Shakespeare's plays.

That's the exact opposite of characterizing the domicile-ruler of Aquarius as being about materialistic technology.
 

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