Baby Boomers = Pluto in Leo ??

[david starling]

Best believe I am happy for you to have experienced that - but there always nuances and context in any given space - it's very funny and I will leave this to perhaps longer thought that everyone's seemed hesitance in reading in any of the sources that were mentioned because it may contradict what they are taught or have experienced is what many would call bias no?

There was a concerted effort by the "Establishment" media to play up any incidents of racial discord. Remember, the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, CORE, and SNICK, were actively opposing the status quo at the time, and some (not all) of their members were not trusting the White counterculture as an ally.

 

[aqualovebot]

There was a concerted effort by the "Establishment" media to play up any incidents of racial discord. Remember, the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, CORE, and SNICK, were actively opposing the status quo at the time, and some (not all) of their members were not trusting the White counterculture as an ally.

All sources quoted are from Black Americans during the time.

 

[katydid]

Best believe I am happy for you to have experienced that - but there always nuances and context in any given space - it's very funny and I will leave this to perhaps longer thought that everyone's seemed hesitance in reading in any of the sources that were mentioned because it may contradict what they are taught or have experienced is what many would call bias no?

So is your point being made that the counter culture Hippie Movement which was trying to force Free Expression, the Anti-War movement and the right to Question Authority was a bad thing for society in general? But was only good for the white middle class?

 

[aqualovebot]

So is your point being made that the counter culture Hippie Movement which was trying to force Free Expression, the Anti-War movement and the right to Question Authority was a bad thing for society in general? But was only good for the white middle class?

Neither but I do recommend that we look at history through a critical lenses and nuances. What can be detrimental to one can be helpful in others. Most of modern day science advanced can be attributed to atrocities that were the eugenics during the Nazi Camp. Removing something as this perfect events ignores all of the context and nuances that have exist heavily in between and must be acknowledged

 

[david starling]

Aqualove, the Vietnam War was raging, and there was a Draft for all young men, regardless of ethnic background. There were AWOLs among us, hiding from the law. Possession of a single marijuana "roach" was punishable by two years in prison. It wasn't all "sweetness and light".

 

[aqualovebot]

aqualove, he Vietnam War was raging, and there was a Draft. There were AWOLs among us, hiding from the law. Possession of a single marijuana "roach" was punishable by two years in prison It wasn't all "sweetness and light".

David Starling - I am not disagreeing with you in fact all of my post are reiterating you are saying - it just seems many are stuck on the black Americans and hippies background. What my main goals of this post that I have seemingly said again is that the understanding of what we use for outer planets are inherently a white washed story and the era as complex as it was had bad things that were happening around this time. You directly even state it yourself it was not “sweetness and lightness”

 

[FraterAC]

Here's a reading list:
The Autobiography of Malcolm X
Black Rage
Soul on Ice
Rebellion in Newark
The Invisible Man
I read all of those (and more) over half a century ago (55 years ago).
I lived in the LA area during the Watts riots.
I saw riot cops on more than one college campus more than once.
I was on a nationally known college campus as a student when the National Guard shot four students at Kent State. I was 50 yards from a line of 150 LAPD riot cops when they declared an "illegal assembly," lowered their visors, and charged forward with batons and shields.
I took a guy I was playing with to get a musical instrument and saw first hand the racist way he was treated. I have played with many black musicians, including at the Congo Corner on Crenshaw in LA.
I encountered first hand police prejudice. I was rousted more times than I can count. I had friends beaten by police.
I encountered first hand ethnic prejudice directed toward me, by fellow students, including my best friend, growing up.
I stood 25 feet from Hendrix, playing at Winterland. I hitchhiked around the Bay Area with a friend, to Berkeley, SF, Oakland. When the Fillmore was just the Fillmore, before it became the Fillmore West.
For a while my draft status was 1A. I carried a draft card for years, as I was legally required to do. I had one in my pocket the night the numbers were picked for the draft lottery.
My high school biology lab partner stepped on a land mine in Vietnam and had his right foot blown off about 6 inches below the knee. I visited him at the naval hospital in Oakland CA (he was a Marine).
Those are just experiences from those days. Not that impressive, I realize, but
I was there.
Please do me the courtesy of not lecturing me.

 

[katydid]

There was a concerted effort by the "Establishment" media to play up any incidents of racial discord. Remember, the Black Panthers, Black Muslims, CORE, and SNICK, were actively opposing the status quo at the time, and some (not all) of their members were not trusting the White counterculture as an ally.

The Oakland Black Panthers began to grow after they set up the children's Free Breakfast programs which gained them a lot of community support. Nobody wanted to see young children go hungry.

My father, who was a Portuguese Attorney in Oakland helped set up the legal paperwork and funding for the program. He went to a group of judges in Alameda and Oakland and asked for the donations to get it up and running. So some of the allies that helped get that program off the ground financially were white judges and attorneys.

I spent a lot of time in the OBP bunker, which was surrounded by tires to absorb potential gunfire, that hot summer. I think it was 1969. The people who got the Breakfast Program going were of MANY COLORS and many backgrounds, all working together. They needed each other to get past all the speed bumps, like health and safety regulations, tax issues, etc.

We were in high school when our Dad started taking us to help clean and set up the new kitchen. We were surrounded by people of a variety of races and religions, even though the Oakland Baptist churches were one of the main sponsors. But there were Jewish attorneys helping as well as the Black Muslim contingent. Everyone was working together because HUNGRY CHILDREN were more important than our divisive issues.

 

[aqualovebot]

Here's a reading list:
The Autobiography of Malcolm X
Black Rage
Soul on Ice
Rebellion in Newark
The Invisible Man
I read all of those (and more) over half a century ago (55 years ago).
I lived in the LA area during the Watts riots.
I saw riot cops on more than one college campus more than once.
I was on a nationally known college campus as a student when the National Guard shot four students at Kent State. I was 50 yards from a line of 150 LAPD riot cops when they declared an "illegal assembly." lowered their visors, and charged forward with batons and shields.
I took a guy I was playing with to get a musical instrument and saw first hand the racist way he was treated. I have played with many black musicians, including at the Congo Corner on Crenshaw in LA.
I encountered first hand police prejudice. I was rousted more times than I can count. I had friends beaten by police.
I encountered first hand ethnic prejudice directed toward me, by fellow students, including my best friend, growing up.
I stood 25 feet from Hendrix, playing at Winterland. I hitchhiked around the Bay Area with a friend, to Berkeley, SF, Oakland. When the Fillmore was just the Fillmore, before it became the Fillmore West.
For a while my draft status was 1A. I carried a draft card for years, as I was legally required to do. I had one in my pocket the night the numbers were picked for the draft lottery.
My high school biology lab partner stepped on a land mine in Vietnam and had his right foot blown off about 6 inches below the knee. I visited him at the naval hospital in Oakland CA (he was a Marine).
Those are just experiences from those days. Not that impressive, I realize, but
I was there.
Please do me the courtesy of not lecturing me.

Let me add this - you do not know of my own expertise neither of my own life experiences. You think I speak of these things lightly - I have lived my entirety life as a person of color, of one who had faced prosecution for whom I have decided to love and more. I have lost more then I could possibly count to things that are abnormal. Do not lecture me - without asking me of my own background. What you have seen first hand - I have experienced do not speak to me as if I am a child. I have merely spoken from my own sources - as a refrain of my experience.

 

[FraterAC]

Let me add this - you do not know of my own expertise neither of my own life experiences. You think I speak of these things lightly - I have lived my entirety life as a person of color, of one who had faced prosecution for whom I have decided to love and more. I have lost more then I could possibly count to things that are abnormal. Do not lecture me - without asking me of my own background. I have merely spoken from my own sources - as a refrain of my experience. I am not a child.

OK.
Then let's talk as respectful adults.

 

[aqualovebot]

Then let's talk as respectful adults.

I have multiple times before this conversation not once have I denied anyone's experience, told them they wrong or that they were being rude- just implored others to open their mind and with valuable sources- where I was told by you plainly that I have not experienced what I have written because you have seen it second hand or have read it in books. I am sorry for those experiences that you have been through and I acknowledge that they are not well - but I have my own. You had spoken to me as if I was a child, for merely suggesting that experiences are different for those who live under different context. I have read your books, I have lived what you have seen and lost loved ones to countless other things - if you wish to be respectful - it is a two way street.

 

[katydid]

OK.
Then let's talk as respectful adults.

Yes, let us all speak freely to each other as respectful adult astrologers, trying to express our own truths and life experiences.

 

[FraterAC]

Yes, let us all speak freely to each other as respectful adult astrologers, trying to express our own truths and life experiences.

Works for me.

 

[katydid]

I have multiple times before this conversation not once have I denied anyone's experience, told them they wrong or that they were being rude- just implored others to open their mind and with valuable sources- where I was told by you plainly that I have not experienced what I have written because you have seen it second hand or have read it in books. I am sorry for those experiences that you have been through and I acknowledge that they are not well - but I have my own. You had spoken to me as if I was a child, for merely suggesting that experiences are different for those who live under different context. I have read your books, I have lived what you have seen and lost loved ones to countless other things - if you wish to be respectful - it is a two way street.

Yes, so let's all get past it and move forward. I don't think anyone meant to speak to you like a child. Let's agree that we all will go forward now and make our points.

 

[david starling]

Here's a reading list:
The Autobiography of Malcolm X
Black Rage
Soul on Ice
Rebellion in Newark
The Invisible Man
I read all of those (and more) over half a century ago (55 years ago).
I lived in the LA area during the Watts riots.
I saw riot cops on more than one college campus more than once.
I was on a nationally known college campus as a student when the National Guard shot four students at Kent State. I was 50 yards from a line of 150 LAPD riot cops when they declared an "illegal assembly." lowered their visors, and charged forward with batons and shields.
I took a guy I was playing with to get a musical instrument and saw first hand the racist way he was treated. I have played with many black musicians, including at the Congo Corner on Crenshaw in LA.
I encountered first hand police prejudice. I was rousted more times than I can count. I had friends beaten by police.
I encountered first hand ethnic prejudice directed toward me, by fellow students, including my best friend, growing up.
I stood 25 feet from Hendrix, playing at Winterland. I hitchhiked around the Bay Area with a friend, to Berkeley, SF, Oakland. When the Fillmore was just the Fillmore, before it became the Fillmore West.
For a while my draft status was 1A. I carried a draft card for years, as I was legally required to do. I had one in my pocket the night the numbers were picked for the draft lottery.
My high school biology lab partner stepped on a land mine in Vietnam and had his right foot blown off about 6 inches below the knee. I visited him at the naval hospital in Oakland CA (he was a Marine).
Those are just experiences from those days. Not that impressive, I realize, but
I was there.
Please do me the courtesy of not lecturing me.

A college acquaintance from Watts invited me (as a "White guy") to have dinner with family, which had been traumatized by the National Guard during the riots. He thought meeting me might reassure them somehow, which I found very flattering.

There were large bullet holes in the walls from when the Guard had indiscriminately sprayed houses with machine guns, regardless of whether they were involved with any illegal activity (his family was just minding its own business, and had to lay down on the floor to avoid being shot)!

 

[aqualovebot]

This conversation has gotten far out of hand and I will perhaps reparaphrase the question as hopefully a means to a larger understanding and converstation.

How do we take into account all of the outer planets when looking at history contextually and with nuance - including all races, sexuality and those that intersect?

We have Neptune in Libra during the 1950's and the 1960's - in America it was directly conjunct Saturn - one of his natural rulership's is that of societal laws - the rights we are granted and or given away. In that same breathe - we have the rise of the civil rights movement -were many began to realize that their natural rights were highly unequal (Fairness back to Libra again). It was also making quite a nasty aspect to the natal sun in Cancer - which by reception hates Saturn a lot!

 

[ElenaJ]

including all races, sexuality and those that intersect?

Maybe not creating categories and subgroups and treating everyone as just humans?

 

[david starling]

David Starling - I am not disagreeing with you in fact all of my post are reiterating you are saying - it just seems many are stuck on the black Americans and hippies background. What my main goals of this post that I have seemingly said again is that the understanding of what we use for outer planets are inherently a white washed story and the era as complex as it was had bad things that were happening around this time. You directly even state it yourself it was not “sweetness and lightness”

Hippies aside, would you agree with my attributing the anger and impatience with the slowness of the Civil Rights Movement during the 1960s, to the Black Pluto in Leo generation?

 

[aqualovebot]

Maybe not creating categories and subgroups and treating everyone as just humans?

ElenaJ - we can not in good faith sit here and say that a white man lives the same life as a gay white man then a black gay women then a black gay disabled man - Life as we know it has racism, sexism and more. Ignore it for the claims that everyone's life is the same and that the planets exude the same silences the same voices that are not being represented and heard. Yes - we are all human but my life experience would surely not be the same as a white mans during the 60s!

 

[aqualovebot]

Hippies aside, would you agree with my attributing the anger and impatience with the slowness of the Civil Rights Movement during the 1960s, to the Black Pluto in Leo generation?

Hm - to be quite honest I haven't thought of that in that way although I can most definitely see how you would come to such conclusion. Can you explain your thinking?