Pluto in Aquarius---what will it mean?

[Opal]

So Moira and Kloth form a Finger of Fate to Chiron in Aries in the 12th?

Maybe the inherent ability to tap into the unknown and adapt to change?

I had to think on this one a bit.

The Moirai, are about “the life” and on the subject of the end, the end time of Pluto, in Capricorn, the moment has the finger of fate, with the Moirai as they are called as one, the Fates, and Klotho, the one who is the author of the thread, maybe looking back, as the end of it’s time is done in Capricorn, and Chiron the healer, the teacher is the point of fates finger.

Chiron Aries, decisive, healing. Moirai Scorpio collectively, in the seventh of partnership in the sign of death and regeneration. Klotho Virgo, detailed what happened.

Atropos Leo, quintile Pluto, was there to cut the thread.

I haven’t had coffee yet. Don’t think!

 

[Columbine]

The chart with the fates does provoke much thought. I hadn't heard of the three Morai: Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos until I read "The Astrology of Fate" by Liz Greene. This book is very relevant to my life. Liz Greene sees Pluto in the chart as 'fate' in the lives of individuals and she uses many thought provoking, and sometimes sad, examples.

My Mars is at 19 deg 49' of Aries and my Jupiter is at 0 deg 24' of Aquarius.

I don't have any meaningful experience with mundane, although in the chart for Greenwich, Pluto is on the Desc. Do you think there is relevance for this for the UK? The charts for Washington and parts of Canada have the different ASCs of course depending upon the times of Pluto's entry to Aquarius at those locations. Do you think that this has/will have an effect? A sort of 'flavour' of Pluto for that country? Or not?

 

[Opal]

I am going with yes. It could be of interest, to see, other countries capitals. Maybe the Ukraine, Israel, Lebanon, Russia. Anywhere you would like to see, then we could test the theory?

Pluto is on your Jupiter. Let us know how it goes, explosive, unpredictable energy (conjunction could be unpredictably good) (or bad) but, I am interested in how the energy distributes itself in the fast paced first degrees of Aquarius.

 

[Opal]

Love Green’s Saturn book, I will keep an eye out for her Pluto book. Thanks!

 

[katydid]

One noticeable thing with Pluto in Aquarius now----the recent takeover of google by AI

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[Opal]

 

[Opal]

For your information, Leomoon is the authority on the Fates, I am her humble student.

 

[Opal]

Notice that Sydney’s time is on the 20th of November. Time zones.

 

[katydid]

So London has the Mars/Pluto opposition right on Asc/Desc....yikes, wonder how that will play out. Maybe 'Law and Order' vs the Individual freedoms? Or struggles with standard of living ? With Mars being right on the Ascendant I think it might impact the citizens strongly. Their individual rights vs the Pluto/Aquarius.[the will of the governmental authority?]


Russia has Pluto at end of the 5th with Mars opposed from the 12th house cusp. With Mars on 12th cusp---is that too many soldiers dying to keep this nightmare war going? Maybe the opposition to Mars on 12th cusp---people wanting to bow out, be disloyal to governments wishes?

Moscow Ingress has 1 Virgo rising, so a shift to Mercury as chart ruler. Maybe people are going to stop being so blindly 'loyal ?[Sun/Leo old ruler]

Kiev still has Leo rising, with Sun in Scorpio. Could they outlast Moscow in this fight?

 

[katydid]

Israel and Lebanon---same charts essentially---both with Mars fully in 12th opposing 6th house Pluto.

Pluto in 6th, ruler of the 4th of nation's natural resources and political stability---dire circumstances involving general health of the public, political instability, financial solvency of the nation, management of debts, litigations, judicial functioning etc

Mars in twelfth house rules active financial losses, too much expenditure, violent mishaps, group hospitalizations, active foreign debt, wars and smuggling. The close afflictions to the twelfth house or its lord by the malefic planets from the malefic houses indicate losses for the country.


Same dire, excessive situation for both countries.

 

[katydid]

Washington DC===The Mars/Pluto opposition in 4th of communal harmony and the 10th of government.

Mars in the 4th---the home fires, the communities, home grown political action. Maybe it shows the 'self-interest' that sparked the rebellion? People rejected the government's plans for 'progressive' interests in bringing in large numbers of foreigners and instead wanted to focus on the home grown civilians?

Pluto being in the 10th of government makes sense, as many were calling this new administration like a Phoenix arising from the ashes. A very big and shocking comeback from the depths of rejection?

 

[katydid]

Sydney:

Sag rising, w/Jupiter in 6th of solvency, labor relations.

That Jupiter forms t-square to Saturn in 4th of natural resources. T-squares to Sat and Neptune in 4th from Mercury opposed Jupiter. Maybe there will be lots of protests concerning environment and businesses impact upon natural resources?


The Mars/Pluto opposition in 2nd/8th might corroborate that? Pluto ingress in 2nd of financial stability strength of currency, also balance of trade. Could there be trade wars and tariffs in the near future?

 

[katydid]

Paris:
Mars in first by one degree [similar to London]
Mars, ruler of the MC—
Opposition to Pluto in 6th
Maybe individual concerns and workers rights vs government entities and unsafe practices?
Mars in 1st—people and their general outlook concerning the Parliament/Administration [rules the MC] opposed by Pluto, newly in Aquarius—New global regulations, new philosophies, new International Alliances?

Pluto, ruler of the 5th—in the 6th of public health. Maybe 5th house diversions, past times, vices will affect public health? Are young people vaping?

 

[katydid]

So could this incident be a foreshadowing of the Paris Pluto ingress chart:

Haiti summons French ambassador after Macron's 'total morons' comment

Emmanuel Macron was caught on video on Thursday calling the Haitian transitional council "total morons" for sacking the embattled nation's prime minister, prompting Haiti's Foreign Minister to summon…

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Emmanuel Macron was caught on video on Thursday calling the Haitian transitional council "total morons" for sacking the embattled nation's prime minister, prompting Haiti's Foreign Minister to summon French Ambassador Antoine Michon to address the "unacceptable remarks".
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French President Emmanuel Macron accused Haiti's transitional council of being "total morons" for dismissing the country's prime minister, according to a video shot at the G20 summit in Brazil this week and shared on social media Thursday.

In the footage, the French leader is speaking on the sidelines of the G20 in Rio with an individual accusing Macron and France of "being responsible for the situation in Haiti".

Haiti's transitional council pushed out then-prime minister Garry Conilleafter just five months in office, a move Macron called "terrible" in the clip.

"They're total morons," said Macron referring to the transitional body, adding, "they never should have dismissed him."

Haitian Minister of Foreign Affairs and Worship Jean-Victor Harvel Jean-Baptiste used the meeting to express "indignation" on behalf of the transitional council, which he said viewed the remarks as "an unfriendly and inappropriate gesture that must be rectified," according to a statement from the ministry.

The clip also shows the French president, who is on a multi-leg tour of Latin America with his most recent stop in Chile, blaming Haitians for "letting drug trafficking take over".

"Quite frankly, it was the Haitians who killed Haiti," the French president said in the clip.

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So Mars in 1st opposed Pluto in 7th, w/Mars ruler of MC---so global reputation[10th] taking a beating because of a tiff or misunderstanding between 1st/7th house world leaders?

If we gossip about one of our friends to a mutual friend, it's messy but not that serious---unless you are all Presidents or Prime Ministers---that's when it gets more serious. [Mars/Pluto opposition]

 

[Opal]

I will read more thoroughly later, cleaning up the house. Snow day!

Looking forward to your reads!

 

[Opal]

So London has the Mars/Pluto opposition right on Asc/Desc....yikes, wonder how that will play out. Maybe 'Law and Order' vs the Individual freedoms? Or struggles with standard of living ? With Mars being right on the Ascendant I think it might impact the citizens strongly. Their individual rights vs the Pluto/Aquarius.[the will of the governmental authority?]

Technically, it has played out in Mundane.

We are looking at an exact ingress of Pluto into another sign, Aquarius.

Do you think that we can look to the future, based on the moment of ingress?

The opposition, Mars/Pluto, is below the horizon in the houses of self. They also contact the nodes by sextile or trine. Positive aspects. Tighter to Mars.

The Moon and Neptune are in their own sign, above the horizon. But the moon is hidden in the 12th.

Chiron is in the 10th, showing the Prime Minister’s house. The apex of the finger of God. If we can look at the chart, this way, then Klotho in the 3rd and the Moirai in the 5th would depict communication and the youth in sextile, to the Prime Minister being Quintile, maybe being those that could assist him. Quintile’s are a positive aspect. As is the sextile.

Katydid, do you think, we can look at these charts as a possibility of the future? Or only of the moment in time.

I am questioning, curiously. I would like to say yes(I did) but am now wondering if it is possible?

 

[Opal]

But then as a question was asked, it could be considered an horary. Valid.

Libran Sun and Mercury talking!

 

[katydid]

Technically, it has played out in Mundane.

We are looking at an exact ingress of Pluto into another sign, Aquarius.

Do you think that we can look to the future, based on the moment of ingress?

The opposition, Mars/Pluto, is below the horizon in the houses of self. They also contact the nodes by sextile or trine. Positive aspects. Tighter to Mars.

The Moon and Neptune are in their own sign, above the horizon. But the moon is hidden in the 12th.

Chiron is in the 10th, showing the Prime Minister’s house. The apex of the finger of God. If we can look at the chart, this way, then Klotho in the 3rd and the Moirai in the 5th would depict communication and the youth in sextile, to the Prime Minister being Quintile, maybe being those that could assist him. Quintile’s are a positive aspect. As is the sextile.

Katydid, do you think, we can look at these charts as a possibility of the future? Or only of the moment in time.

I am questioning, curiously. I would like to say yes(I did) but am now wondering if it is possible?


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Katydid, do you think, we can look at these charts as a possibility of the future? Or only of the moment in time.

I am questioning, curiously. I would like to say yes(I did) but am now wondering if it is possible?


Yes, and I was kind of trying to see it as possible issues in the future that'll need to be resolved. So I guess the interpretation will be about how it is different now, with Pluto in Aquarius instead of Cap. Even though both signs co-ruled by Saturn, Aquarius is Fixed Air, and a higher mental vibration with a magnetic transcendent quality.

Maybe it will signify a truly transcendent leader who can unify the masses and lead them forward instead of them bing stuck in a divided rut?

I say that with Uranus, ruler of that Aquarian Ingress, being in the 11th, of networking and community, trining the Pluto and being part of a Mystic Rectangle.

 

[Opal]

Katydid, do you think, we can look at these charts as a possibility of the future? Or only of the moment in time.

I am questioning, curiously. I would like to say yes(I did) but am now wondering if it is possible?


Yes, and I was kind of trying to see it as possible issues in the future that'll need to be resolved. So I guess the interpretation will be about how it is different now, with Pluto in Aquarius instead of Cap. Even though both signs co-ruled by Saturn, Aquarius is Fixed Air, and a higher mental vibration with a magnetic transcendent quality.

Maybe it will signify a truly transcendent leader who can unify the masses and lead them forward instead of them bing stuck in a divided rut?

I say that with Uranus, ruler of that Aquarian Ingress, being in the 11th, of networking and community, trining the Pluto and being part of a Mystic Rectangle.

Good answer. Harkening a “transcendent leader, who can unify the masses” is an interesting choice of words. Aquarius, the age of, would need a new “leader” or Jesus representative, and Pluto in Aquarius, could shake things up.

 

[Opal]

Israel and Lebanon---same charts essentially---both with Mars fully in 12th opposing 6th house Pluto.

Pluto in 6th, ruler of the 4th of nation's natural resources and political stability---dire circumstances involving general health of the public, political instability, financial solvency of the nation, management of debts, litigations, judicial functioning etc

Mars in twelfth house rules active financial losses, too much expenditure, violent mishaps, group hospitalizations, active foreign debt, wars and smuggling. The close afflictions to the twelfth house or its lord by the malefic planets from the malefic houses indicate losses for the country.


Same dire, excessive situation for both countries.

Chiron Aries, is now in the 9th. The pain here could be of a “religious” sense. The finger of god attached to Chiron is now in the 2nd of the countries finances, and the 4th of the people.

Jupiter is in the 10th in both, opposed to Mercury, in the the 4th, again the people, and if I were to look Mann style, Mercury is young males. And of course communication, with Jupiter in the “leaders” house, opposed the people. In both charts.

This conflict would seem to be more positive for the leaders of both, and not in favour of the people. The people try to communicate, but they are not heeded.