Fixing Astrology.

[astro_novice]

Just answering waybread's question on the choice of house system. I always use topocentric. If ever, this can also be scientifically tested to see which house system is the most valid at whatever geographical region.

I only use topocentric because one time I brought a house, and this is the only system that showed Jupiter was in my 4th house. The tiny difference between Placidus and topocentric was exactly that. Jupiter retrograded back to my topocentric 4th house for just about 1 or 2 days, and the escrow that was going to be cancelled due to zero progress closed right on that 1 or 2 days. Placidus didn't show this.

This choice was unscientific but only anecdotal. I think the ambiguities in house system may be due to inaccurate birth time of people. With all these inaccuracies, various house systems can hide them here and there. Because my mom believed in Asian astrology, my birth time is correct to the minute as far as I can tell with various checks. This is despite that the time resolution in Asian astrology is only two hours.

I learned most of the things I know about astrology from a multi-pass of Pluto trine Mercury transit. So because of my astrology, I learned astrology. Sounds very tautological, but for sure, it is a tautological life experience.

 

[John Thompson]

Something I have a bit of a problem with trying to validate transiting Saturn opposite natal Moon for issues of depression etc, is the phenomena of transiting Saturn dogging or hunting the progressed Moon. With roughly the same motions, when a person has say a natal Moon/Saturn opposition, there will be extremely long periods when transiting Saturn will be opposite the progressed Moon. These are prolonged periods where sometimes they will weave in and out of exact opposition for years at a time; trying to be objective could be a major issue here.

 

[waybread]

Except astrology is not a physical phenomenon. Current scientific understanding uses materialism (matter is fundamental reality) and more recently physicalism (everything can be explained by physical processes) as their philosophical background. Using these philosophies as a starting point of their understanding of reality, it will be impossible for them to understand astrology.



As I posted earlier in the thread, this attempt "to do astrology without an astrologer" is doomed to fail. Astrology cannot be reduced to simple "when A aspects B that always means C" and is infinitely more complex than dropping two balls from a tower. Astrology is a symbolic language that uses only 10 planets and 12 signs/houses to describe everything that is, so naturally every planet and house have multiple meanings. But to decipher which meaning out of hundreds possible meanings is appropriate to use in a given situation requires an interpreter (astrologer). It is not just a matter of context but also the whole chart as a totality gives clues. And every chart is different because life never repeats itself exactly the same. To deal with this humans are equipped with intuition. Intuition is regarded as "super intelligence" in recent scientific studies and is far more powerful than any AI or computing ability of machines. But then, under a materialistic paradigm. the exact workings of intuition will hardly be understood.

Cap, you raise a good point.

I like to point out that every planet, sign, and house has multiple interpretations that are consistent with the core meanings. The astrologer's art or insight comes in determining the best fit. This is often contextual, based on the questions asked and the rest of the horoscope. Ideally we also know something about the individual's life experience.

I would say that 10 planets x 12 signs x12 houses = 1440, not to mention major (and minor) aspects, house cusp rulers, sensitive points, angles, and so on.

Possibly AI will handle this better than we can.

 

[waybread]

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This is just my opinion. Astrology is something that can be observed. If it can be observed, it can be measured. If it can be measured, it can be quantified (no matter how crude the quantification process is). If it can be quantified, it can be studied systematically. If it can be studied, then some conclusion or formula can be drawn.

And thus I believe that it's possible to one day somehow conclude that the Saturn opposing Moon transits will tend to bring a gloomy mood and depression. And Saturn opposing Sun transit will tend to bring defeat or failure to a person.

If scientists stopped doing any work because human body is too complicated, and all different interactions between organ and system are too difficult to separate from each other, we wouldn't have what we have for modern medicine.

If we stop any inquiries by the complexity of human mind, then there is no future in this field. We ARE the scientists of human mind and psyche in a way. Yes, I totally understand all the complexity and difficulties of capturing the effect of a single transit, or something in a natal chart because no astrologers will look at one thing in isolation. But you would stop right there? Galileo lost his life over telling the truth, but that didn't stop him. A lot of science in the beginning is heresy, but if it true, and can be tested repeatedly as true, one day eventually it will be brought to light by discovery or rediscovery even if astrology becomes a lost art at some point in time.

My only question is that if astrology can stand up to the most rigorous tests. I will "bring all sorts of fires to test the gold". If it's truly gold, it will shine thru the tests. There is a Chinese proverb: "true gold isn't afraid of the testing by fire". I feel like there is some gold in astrology. If I have the resources, I would put it through scientific tests and reveal the golden truth.

I really appreciate the first and last parts of your post, although I think there's more to get to in research design, apart from the obvious stuff like defining one's terms and addressing potential biases. There are other methodologies besides the scientific method, like modeling complex systems.

Unless we get into observer impacts on the results (a big issue for astrology,) we have to ask, "What is the underlying meta-narrative or meta-theory underlying the research. Is it simple cause-and-effect?" Stats don't actually make that claim, but show probability and correlation. Is the meta-narrative synchronicity of human behavior and planetary positions?

I ask because astrologers do get into the "free will" problem. In the matter, say, of transiting Saturn opposite natal moon, do we have any choice as to how we experience it? Or is the system inherently fatalistic and deterministic? [Note that it assumes no intervening variables, like a nice simultaneous trine from Jupiter.]

I'm a great believer in choice-centered astrology. If a transit reeks, does it have a more empowering interpretation? For example, Saturn renders things more concrete and material. The moon is one's home as well as one's emotional nature. Transiting Saturn opposite moon might be a great time to tackle deferred home renovations. Which beats merely living with rotten feelings.

HMcArthur started us out with some metaphysical and spiritual concepts. If they're valid, then how does one link the physical and metaphysical?

BTW, I have natal Saturn opposite sun (wide and out-of-sign, but in-sign and closer by progression.) While I have had some Saturnine failures and disappointments, I've also had a lot of joy in my life. I'd say that generally my life could always have been better, but taken as a whole,it turned out pretty well.

 

[Cap]

Possibly AI will handle this better than we can.

Well, Data from Star Trek Enterprise could certainly handle astrology better than we can. But he is 24th century technology.

AI that we currently have, the name is misleading. It is not intelligence but just an improved version of search engine. It has great capacity for storing encyclopedic knowledge and zero capacity for "thinking". So it can parrot cookbook style astrology, what has been fed into it, but nothing more than this.

 

[John Thompson]

Well, Data from Star Trek Enterprise could certainly handle astrology better than we can. But he is 24th century technology.

AI that we currently have, the name is misleading. It is not intelligence but just an improved version of search engine. It has great capacity for storing encyclopedic knowledge and zero capacity for "thinking". So it can parrot cookbook style astrology, what has been fed into it, but nothing more than this.

Can you just imagine asking AI a horary like 'will I pass my exam'? The answer comes back as a yes, you don't do the revision and fail the exam. AI has the potential to make us incredibly lazy.

 

[astro_novice]

Something I have a bit of a problem with trying to validate transiting Saturn opposite natal Moon for issues of depression etc, is the phenomena of transiting Saturn dogging or hunting the progressed Moon. With roughly the same motions, when a person has say a natal Moon/Saturn opposition, there will be extremely long periods when transiting Saturn will be opposite the progressed Moon. These are prolonged periods where sometimes they will weave in and out of exact opposition for years at a time; trying to be objective could be a major issue here.

I understand this Saturn opposing progressed Moon issue.

I am only interested in actually doing it. We have so many far more competent aastrologers here than me. If I were to pick just two best candidates for scientific testing that would have the highest chance of success, what transits should I pick? This would need to be with all things considered, including the accuracy and availability of birth data, and effects that may be somehow isolated and measured.

I was going to just use the birth date along, and generate four other dates that are equally spaced out around 360 degrees before and after. Out of all 9 dates, only 5 consecutive dates will be selected so that the correct choice can be at any of the five dates. For the astrology program, it would receive these 5 birth dates that will be consecutive dates around the circle in terms of Moon degree. The five birth dates is the attempt to dodge the window of square and conjunction.

Then based on the depression event, the astrology program can guess which of the five dates that are roughly equal spaced or just equal spaced to remove any potential hidden information. Anything else besides astrology should only have a 20% chance of guessing the birth date correctly.

And I think some pre-filtering of samples is fair to do. A program can pre-analyze the natal charts to screen out samples that may be difficult to predict, as long as it doesn't receive BOTH the birthday and the therapy session dates.

Anyway I just want to know what's the best transit to test, and then I want to try to test it within my capacity.

Obviously if I fail to show that astrology has some real hidden information, it may mean that the testing process needs to be refined and modified to show better results. But if I can show a successful result, and then I can keep repeating it, then I am done (with that transit or progression).

Any modifications will be okay as long as no part of the process has BOTH birth day and therapy dates together and somehow people could suspect that answer gets encoded when that happens. Scientists today don't believe in astrology and so supposedly having the therapy dates is the same as having zero information over the five different birthdays. All I need is to show an accuracy of more than 20%, given large enough samples.

 

[astro_novice]

Or should I focus on lottery winners and look for Uranus transiting contacts to Jupiter, again, generating five or more birth dates from original birth date? That is assuming that birth day information is available?

 

[John Thompson]

I understand this Saturn opposing progressed Moon issue.

I am only interested in actually doing it. We have so many far more competent aastrologers here than me. If I were to pick just two best candidates for scientific testing that would have the highest chance of success, what transits should I pick? This would need to be with all things considered, including the accuracy and availability of birth data, and effects that may be somehow isolated and measured.

I was going to just use the birth date along, and generate four other dates that are equally spaced out around 360 degrees before and after. Out of all 9 dates, only 5 consecutive dates will be selected so that the correct choice can be at any of the five dates. For the astrology program, it would receive these 5 birth dates that will be consecutive dates around the circle in terms of Moon degree. The five birth dates is the attempt to dodge the window of square and conjunction.

Then based on the depression event, the astrology program can guess which of the five dates that are roughly equal spaced or just equal spaced to remove any potential hidden information. Anything else besides astrology should only have a 20% chance of guessing the birth date correctly.

And I think some pre-filtering of samples is fair to do. A program can pre-analyze the natal charts to screen out samples that may be difficult to predict, as long as it doesn't receive BOTH the birthday and the therapy session dates.

Anyway I just want to know what's the best transit to test, and then I want to try to test it within my capacity.

Obviously if I fail to show that astrology has some real hidden information, it may mean that the testing process needs to be refined and modified to show better results. But if I can show a successful result, and then I can keep repeating it, then I am done (with that transit or progression).

Any modifications will be okay as long as no part of the process has BOTH birth day and therapy dates together and somehow people could suspect that answer gets encoded when that happens. Scientists today don't believe in astrology and so supposedly having the therapy dates is the same as having zero information over the five different birthdays. All I need is to show an accuracy of more than 20%, given large enough samples.

Although I was trained as a natal astrologer, I quickly went over to the mundane where we study more cycles. I think you're right in concentrating on opposition aspects in the sense that the conjunction is a seed moment of any given cycle, whereas the opposition starts seeing the consequences of that seed [the flowering if you like]. The use of Saturn oppositions is good, for Saturn is concrete and undeniable. If we look at cycles of Saturn that are polarising [at odds] we could use Jupiter [expansion vs contraction], or Uranus [individuality and charisma vs introversion etc], or Neptune [the vague vs the concrete]. From a mundane point of view, the Jupiter/Saturn cycle relate to societal perspectives, Saturn/Uranus to breaking away from societal structures, whilst Saturn/Neptune has much to do with formulating new visions and whether they are practical or not. In terms of politics, the Jupiter/Saturn cycles are related to the formation of the laws of society but Uranus and Neptune are completely different. The Saturn/Uranus cycles relate to the free market economy and is essentially right wing in essence; keeping our individuality within the bounds of society. The Saturn/Neptune cycle deals with us melding in to society and can almost be faceless; essentially we have left wing politics here [note the communist manifesto was written under a Saturn/Neptune conjunction, whilst the Soviet Union dissolved under another]. Both cycles can give us mere mortals a hard time. Here in Britain the three main political parties all have hard aspects of Uranus/Neptune, the conservatives have the Square, labour the opposition and the liberal democrats the conjunction [as do the EU]. Don't know if this is useful, but in terms of lottery winners I'd use Jupiter/Pluto=Plutocrats/the masses of money. The Bank of England has a Sun/Jupiter/Pluto conjunction, and on this site from the beginning of the year have been saying the hard [sesqui-quadrate] aspect of this pair would throw the British economy up in the air [which it has]. Sorry running out of time now.

 

[Ecliptique]

Hello John Thompson,

you will have probably noticed that in July 2025 Saturn and Neptune are approaching respectively at 1°55' 50.6'' and 2°10'24.5" Aries and that on February 20, 2026 they will be in conjunction at 0°45'30.2" Aries. We can think of the formation of distinct global blocks. We should have more details in July 2025...

Ecliptique.

 

[John Thompson]

Hello John Thompson,

you will have probably noticed that in July 2025 Saturn and Neptune are approaching respectively at 1°55' 50.6'' and 2°10'24.5" Aries and that on February 20, 2026 they will be in conjunction at 0°45'30.2" Aries. We can think of the formation of distinct global blocks. We should have more details in July 2025...

Ecliptique.

I don't think we need to wait that long. The cycle chart shows the midpoints of Uranus/Pluto conjunct Saturn/Neptune at 00 Aries 56. The Sun is at the midpoints of the conjunction with Pluto. Set the cycle on ACG, and it shows the conjunction on the MC throughout Brazil; this can show a sudden dissolution of the government popularity and or President. Although Brazil is a democracy, their President Lula da Silva is very far left in his politics, openly embraces China's claims over Taiwan, and also endorses Iran [he was a good friend of Fidel Castro]. The cycle connects to progressed Mars of their constitution, with the progressed Moon on the descendant of the cycle. Their Independence chart shows Pluto at 00 Aries and square to Uranus/Neptune. The discovery chart by the Portuguese Pedro Alvares Cabral on 22 April 1500 shows Uranus at 29 Virgo 45 [its antiscion being 00 Aries 14], whilst Pluto is at 27 Aquarius 56, well within a degree of the solar eclipse three days prior to the cycle commencing.
Don't get me wrong, apparently he has made good headway in protecting/policing the Amazon rainforest [although he's taken millions from both the US and France to do it] Today he is hosting the latest G20 summit in Rio de Janerio. 2026 is also an election year in Brazil. This could cause real chaos on the world stage.
Sorry, this should probably be moved to another thread.

 

[Monk]

Hi John,
HMcArthur, started this thread on the wrong forum and should have been put in the the advertising forum, which eventually in November was posted there. This means that he wants people to buy the book, i can't blame him for this, as far as i can tell, it was independently published, so he may be paying for that himself.
We have been asking questions that seem not to given the right clues, so he is just wetting our appetite, i don't blame him.
His book is featured below:-

"The TruthSeeker's Guide to Reality" by Henry McArthur

The above title is available on Amazon for not a lot of money. It details a new approach to astrological structure and meaning, and in the process, provides a philosophical basis for Astrology.

www.astrologyweekly.com

I've been researching his four by three squares feature below:-

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/index.php?attachments/planfoldseal-png.115091/

I wonder if we should investigate the Priestly Breastplate?
Obviously as McArthur says this is just humour and just symbolism regarding Trines, i thought he may be showing Quintiles for obvious reasons that are explained below:-
"Bahya ben Asher argued that only six letters from each name were present on each stone, together with a few letters from the names of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or from the phrase "[these are] the tribes of Jeshurun", so that there were 72 letters in total (72 being a very significant number in Kabbalistic thought)"
72 degrees is a quintile.

Priestly breastplate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have no idea if i'm on track but is interesting with only having pieces of the puzzle.

Priestly breastplate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I may have to buy the book, darn it, LOL,

 

[John Thompson]

HMcArthur, started this thread on the wrong forum and should have been put in the the advertising forum, which eventually in November was posted there. This means that he wants people to buy the book, i can't blame him for this

I said exactly this based on when he originally posted the thread [and then got admonished for doing ] but hey ho! Love the mentions of the quintiles; my chart racked with these series of aspects. In reviewing his book, you're probably the most qualified I know here to do so Monk. As long as it's thought provoking then it'll be worthwhile. In many respects I wish I had the time, but unfortunately not at the present.

 

[Monk]

I'm not trying to discredit McAthur, in any way and what he brought forward isn't the same as link below, but there is a need to be balanced in approach, i remember Mr Michael Drosnin who said he had found frightening prophecies in the Bible, and sent out a challenge To find the same in the novel "Moby Dick", link below:-

https://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/codes/moby.html

https://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/codes/torah.html

 

[John Thompson]

I'm not trying to discredit McAthur, in any way and what he brought forward isn't the same as link below, but there is a need to be balanced in approach, i remember Mr Michael Drosnin who said he had found frightening prophecies in the Bible, and sent out a challenge To find the same in the novel "Moby Dick", link below:-

https://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/codes/moby.html

https://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/codes/torah.html

Agreed!

 

[Xeno]

The Wikipedia page 'Astrology' details the failure of Astrology to pass scientific scrutiny. There is no easy way to put this - that failure is due to the fact that astrologers do not understand the basis of Astrology. In my recently published book, "The TruthSeeker's Guide to Reality" I outline the reasons for that failure, provide the rational basis of Astrology as well as suggesting a means of providing the evidence to prove the reality of astrological effects.

Being a TruthSeeker is a bit like panning for gold - sifting through the many narratives expressing some aspect of reality - science, religion, philosophy - looking for those nuggets of 'Truth', seeds of understanding that allow progress on the road to reality. The overlap of Astrology and Kabbalah has been a rich vein of insight and discovery for me - and now for you! The Jewish Tetragrammaton, known as 'The Word' in the Christian world, is the root of understanding for astrological structures - suitably interpreted for modern minds, of course, as a minimal model of organisation. In simple terms, everything is connected. Choosing the correct root quickly leads to a definitive explanation of the twelvefold partitions - the Houses, the Signs and 'The Ages' - all contributors to the structure of 'Now'.

In the process, we create 'clear, blue water' between the province of current science and that of Astrology, which is really about the forces of creation and the evolution they promote through the shaping of time.

All of this comes at a cost - improved understanding defeats delusions and make-do mythologies - a step too far many. To date, my experience in dealing with the astrological world has not been all that fruitful, although there are signs that times are changing in that respect. Pluto in Aquarius should help.

Henry.

[Deleted price and where to buy information about the book. That's not allowed in posts outside the Advertising forum. - Moderator]

“After reading this post, I felt inspired because I am a truth seeker myself, and I clearly see all the issues with both classical Hellenistic and Vedic astrology. Moreover, the mention of scientific filters caught my attention as well. Could this be about a new vision for the foundation of astrology?

I found a book on the website and glanced at its table of contents — and what did I see? Almost all the chapters are essentially about psychology, with no real attempt to reconcile astrology with science.”

 

[HMcArthur]

I really appreciate the first and last parts of your post, although I think there's more to get to in research design, apart from the obvious stuff like defining one's terms and addressing potential biases. There are other methodologies besides the scientific method, like modeling complex systems.

Unless we get into observer impacts on the results (a big issue for astrology,) we have to ask, "What is the underlying meta-narrative or meta-theory underlying the research. Is it simple cause-and-effect?" Stats don't actually make that claim, but show probability and correlation. Is the meta-narrative synchronicity of human behavior and planetary positions?

I ask because astrologers do get into the "free will" problem. In the matter, say, of transiting Saturn opposite natal moon, do we have any choice as to how we experience it? Or is the system inherently fatalistic and deterministic? [Note that it assumes no intervening variables, like a nice simultaneous trine from Jupiter.]

I'm a great believer in choice-centered astrology. If a transit reeks, does it have a more empowering interpretation? For example, Saturn renders things more concrete and material. The moon is one's home as well as one's emotional nature. Transiting Saturn opposite moon might be a great time to tackle deferred home renovations. Which beats merely living with rotten feelings.

HMcArthur started us out with some metaphysical and spiritual concepts. If they're valid, then how does one link the physical and metaphysical?

BTW, I have natal Saturn opposite sun (wide and out-of-sign, but in-sign and closer by progression.) While I have had some Saturnine failures and disappointments, I've also had a lot of joy in my life. I'd say that generally my life could always have been better, but taken as a whole,it turned out pretty well.

Hello Waybread,

Now that Neptune has reached an exact square to the Galactic Centre, I find my need to communicate is slowly returning. In recent times, I felt I needed to retreat for quiet contemplation - a typical effect, for me at least. My natal MC is conjunct the G.C. in Sagittarius. This has been a major influence, as it has for many with this chart feature - from an early age, 'ordinary' life seemed pointless/without meaning - if my life were to have meaning then 'Life' itself would have to be meaningful, and so I would have to establish that fact, somehow.

The answer to your question:

If they're valid, then how does one link the physical and metaphysical?

Astrology! As I've said elsewhere, the physical gravity clock gains an overlay from the hidden world of creation - the planets become the planetary principles; the mass, length and time of the physical realm disappears, replaced by relative direction in a topological model of Earth's neighbourhood, clothed in the Logic of Life.

The 'meta-narrative', as you call it, is that the metaphysical is all-pervasive. For example, my time in psychic development showed me that we are all connected at a level beyond the conscious. This one fact has implications for chart structure - anyone considering the nature of the House System, using purely physical reasoning leading to various projections through spherical geometry, is missing that fundamental point.

In every chart there are two individuals being referenced. Firstly, the 'we, here and now', the totality of the Human race for whom the Signs of the Tropical Zodiac are equivalent to the Houses for each individual - each 'me, here and now' component of Humanity. What this implies is that all necessary astrological information is available at every point on the Earth's surface through this underlying, - and experienced - metaphysical connection.

Topocentric systems seem to be based on some notion of a physical connection to each individual from the actual planets - not necessary!

 

[HMcArthur]

“After reading this post, I felt inspired because I am a truth seeker myself, and I clearly see all the issues with both classical Hellenistic and Vedic astrology. Moreover, the mention of scientific filters caught my attention as well. Could this be about a new vision for the foundation of astrology?

I found a book on the website and glanced at its table of contents — and what did I see? Almost all the chapters are essentially about psychology, with no real attempt to reconcile astrology with science.”

Xeno, a fellow TruthSeeker,

Let's make it clear, your last statement is not referring to MY book which is very much "a new vision for the foundations of Astrology". Reconciling current scientific knowledge and Astrology is almost impossible - for science has yet to catch up with Human experience, such as precognition, telepathy, and of course Astrology.

In deriving my 'Model of the Moment', explaining the twelvefold structures used in Astrology, it was necessary to use complex numbers, as in
Z=(x + i.y). Complex numbers are required in quantum theory, so there is some suggestion that the connection between individuals may be quantum in nature. The relationship between gravity and quantum fields has yet to be understood.

In the meantime, we could look at the social consequences of 'planets through Signs' - such as Pluto, a major influence on what drives individuals to 'get to the bottom of things'. Pluto in Aquarius should be very revealing, and an excellent time for researching Astrology!

 

[Bjorkstrand]

it's fini. done

 

[HMcArthur]

Hi John,
HMcArthur, started this thread on the wrong forum and should have been put in the the advertising forum, which eventually in November was posted there. This means that he wants people to buy the book, i can't blame him for this, as far as i can tell, it was independently published, so he may be paying for that himself.
We have been asking questions that seem not to given the right clues, so he is just wetting our appetite, i don't blame him.
His book is featured below:-

"The TruthSeeker's Guide to Reality" by Henry McArthur

The above title is available on Amazon for not a lot of money. It details a new approach to astrological structure and meaning, and in the process, provides a philosophical basis for Astrology.

www.astrologyweekly.com

I've been researching his four by three squares feature below:-

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/index.php?attachments/planfoldseal-png.115091/

I wonder if we should investigate the Priestly Breastplate?
Obviously as McArthur says this is just humour and just symbolism regarding Trines, i thought he may be showing Quintiles for obvious reasons that are explained below:-
"Bahya ben Asher argued that only six letters from each name were present on each stone, together with a few letters from the names of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, or from the phrase "[these are] the tribes of Jeshurun", so that there were 72 letters in total (72 being a very significant number in Kabbalistic thought)"
72 degrees is a quintile.

Priestly breastplate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have no idea if i'm on track but is interesting with only having pieces of the puzzle.

Priestly breastplate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I may have to buy the book, darn it, LOL,

Monk.
This comment made in your quoted post is false.

HMcArthur, started this thread on the wrong forum and should have been put in the the advertising forum, which eventually in November was posted there.

The thread is exactly where it belongs - there is nothing more 'modern' than my novel insights as to the nature of Astrology. The moderators took exception to my explicit reference on "where to buy my book" - against the rules of this forum, apparently. They removed that reference, then I made an entry in the advertising thread - as instructed. For what ever reason that entry disappeared - it could well have been 'user error'! Whatever! Once I realised the advertising entry was missing (several weeks later), I re-entered the info.

As to your confusion about the 'folded array' I will add a little more information soon. Having worked on this clarification of astrological structure for more than 30 years, I underestimated just how much 'help' newcomers to these ideas will need.