Heavily debilitated Saturn behaving WELL?

[JUPITERASC]

You offered an "answer" to my question with a deflective response, while not answering the actual question. I don't like that. That is what Narcissists do. My birth name is Echo. Imagine that.

Many here have Saturn in Cap and in reality are kind people.

While the sign placement is important in traditional astrology
it's not treated as an abbreviation for the personality
or the primary determinant of personality.
That kind of view is part of modernistic astrology

It would be two faced of that user two give an opinion with or without that placement of Saturn due to the fact people are not Saturn, they are Sun and Moon and everything filters through these heavenly objects, yes even the darkness of the world. Be careful you don't trap yourself.

If you are not a traditional astrologer, you are welcome as a guest.
Good guests respect the rules of the house.
In this house, the main rule is that all posts
must stick to traditional astrology only.
If your post is not traditional, it belongs on one of our other boards,
not here.
- it belongs in either Modern Astrology or any of the other boards.
but not this board
- search the other boards for an existing discussion
It is not respectful
to come into someone's house and demand why they don't do things your way.
If you want to post about Modernistic astrology take it to another part of the forum.
ONLY IF you genuinely want to learn about traditional astrology,
and will keep your posts on this board strictly traditional - welcome

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Modernistic discussion
inappropriate on this TRADITIONAL BOARD
"..Members who wish
to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.."

discussion combination of traditional & modern ideas at

TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY Preceded Modernistic Astrology TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY DIFFERS FROM MODERNIST ASTROLOGY -

a career as a temple robber I guess that IS still a career option, come to think of it. Probably no Social Security, though, eh?

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[Ailithjohnson]

A heavily debilitated Saturn can still behave well if it's positively aspected by benefic planets or placed in a favorable house. This can soften its challenging effects, leading to disciplined growth, inner strength, and karmic rewards over time, despite initial hardships.​

 

[JUPITERASC]

leading to disciplined growth, inner strength, and karmic rewards over time, despite initial hardships.​

Modernistic discussion is inappropriate on
TRADITIONAL BOARD

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to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.."
discussion combination of traditional & modern ideas

Response to OP:
Saturn’s effect in natal chart as ruler of 3rd & 4th sign
(even though not the 4th house)
Saturn is completely incompetent.
He is partially assisted
because
he is regarded by benefics
i.e.
Moon from Taurus, Venus from Libra
& Jupiter from Aries,
but
Jupiter is in Saturn’s fall
and not inclined to be much help
for all that he’s chasing Saturn.)

Further, we can’t really comment on transits without knowing the rest of what was going on at the time.

This is the biggest reason that traditionally transits are like the very last consideration in predicting events in a native’s life.

Because you are skipping a couple of steps in traditional methods to understand if transits are going to even have an “effect," amd of so what that effect will be.

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[Ailithjohnson]

In astrology, a greatly afflicted Saturn might behave well under some circumstances despite its usually difficult character. This might happen if Saturn is positioned in a strong house like the 10th or 11th or if it is getting favorable aspects from benefic planets like Jupiter or Venus. Furthermore, if the native has a good overall birth chart with supporting planetary placements or if Saturn's behavior is in a friendly sign, it may improve. This harmony helps Saturn to show its orderly and disciplined traits in a good way.​

 

[FraterAC]

modernistic astrology

There is no such thing.

 

[JUPITERASC]

In astrology, a greatly afflicted Saturn might behave well under some circumstances despite its usually difficult character. This might happen if Saturn is positioned in a strong house like the 10th or 11th or if it is getting favorable aspects from benefic planets like Jupiter or Venus. Furthermore, if the native has a good overall birth chart with supporting planetary placements or if Saturn's behavior is in a friendly sign, it may improve. This harmony helps Saturn to show its orderly and disciplined traits in a good way.​

with TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY: It is possible to have a transit
that doesn’t do anything
i.e.
IF Saturn isn’t activated in your chart by profection
and/or
solar return.

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[FraterAC]

karmic rewards over time, despite initial hardships.

"Jupiterasc:
Modernistic discussion is inappropriate on
TRADITIONAL BOARD"

There is nothing "Modernistic" about the concept of Karma. It has been mentioned in religious and philosophical literature at least as far back as 1500 BCE, predating Hellenistic astrology by at least 1000 years.

 

[aqualovebot]

Jumping in here just to add that context is the upmost importance for example - a rich billionaire is going to get quite a different side of a Saturn in Libra then I might! I once had an interesting conversation with a tarot reader I remember she said "Getting an Empress card for an old lady is going to look very different for a 24 year old in a committed relationship" when I had asked her why she had laughed and said that only one can get pregnant. Thought that was a great reminder when looking at charts.

 

[JUPITERASC]

leading to disciplined growth, inner strength, and karmic rewards over time, despite initial hardships.​

That's Not Traditional astrology
& you have mentioned without citing references
some solid notes from traditional sources are required
because
Modernistic discussion is inappropriate on
TRADITIONAL BOARD

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"..Members who wish
to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.."
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similarly:

Jumping in here just to add that context is the upmost importance for example - a rich billionaire is going to get quite a different side of a Saturn in Libra then I might! I once had an interesting conversation with a tarot reader I remember she said "Getting an Empress card for an old lady is going to look very different for a 24 year old in a committed relationship" when I had asked her why she had laughed and said that only one can get pregnant. Thought that was a great reminder when looking at charts.

Clearly
NOT Traditional astrology

I've never seen differences in astrological thinking or techniques censored here. I've never seen anyone shut down on technical issues. Maybe I've missed it. Not that I haven't seen lots of occasionally funky exchanges over technical issues.
To me it looks like the Chat and Hot Topic areas are where the majority of the trouble is. The non-astrological areas. Just saying.

You joined in '22, after the Trad/Mod wars were already over, and "agree to disagree" and "fine, it that works for you" became the norm rather than the exception.

There is still some (at times fairly rancorous) Mod/Trad conflict here, resulting in people leaving or banned. I'm sure (mostly) separating the combatants into their respective areas has helped. Were people censored because of disagreement with what they were technically doing, or because of ad hominem attacks?

 

[JUPITERASC]

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TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY:

With regard to squares at the time of life events
consider whether SATURN making inferior or superior square
also reception
&
Did the squares perfect
& what were the other planets doing at the time?

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