Using Non-Ptolemaic Aspects in Astrology Readings

[selenaathoomass]

Hello

I am curious about your experiences and techniques regarding non-Ptolemaic aspects in astrology readings. I am interested in learning how astrologers interpret aspects like quintiles ; septiles, and other non-traditional aspects in birth charts.

I want to know ; how do you integrate non-Ptolemaic aspects into your astrological practice? What insights do these aspects reveal about a person's chart?
I have checked https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/index.php?forums/modern-aws developerastrology.95/ but still need help .

Can you share any examples where non-Ptolemaic aspects have provided significant insights?





Thank you!
selenaa

 

[waybread]

One that I find very meaningful is the quintile aspect (360/5) of 72 and 144 degrees.

When using so-called minor aspects, it is important to use a narrow orb.

I think the quintile indicates some kind of talent, as indicated by the planets' signs and houses; plus the ambition to manifest it.

I've noticed the ambitious streak particularly with sun Q Pluto.

Sometimes I will also use the septile aspect (360/7) and play around with harmonics. Harmonics are basically another way to visualize aspects. Have you worked with either of these?

 

[DavidMcCann]

I don't use them anymore. The basic objections are

• Kepler introduced them on purely theoretical grounds and couldn't produce any convincing examples.
• Those who do use them are not in agreement. The Americans tend to ignore the division by 8, the Germans generally don't use that by 12, and very few use that by 10.
• The research into unaspected planets showed that Kepler's aspects do not prevent a planet from behaving as unaspected.

Apart from that, I never found them useful.

 

[waybread]

Hi, David--

Sorry about Kepler. Quintiles seem to indicate a lot of ambition. They are prominent in Vladimir Putin's chart. (a quintile trio involving sun, Mars, and Jupiter, Pluto quintile ascendant.) Also in Hitler's chart (Saturn Q moon-Jupiter, Neptune Q moon-Jupiter, Neptune Q Saturn, 4 planets Q Asc.) I could come up with a few more examples. Obviously ordinary people are not into world domination, but I think where you see a quintile, it indicates ambition to "make something" of whatever the planetary pair symbolizes.

As an American-born Canadian resident, I look at divisions of 8, although I don't see them as strong as squares and oppositions. In my life, they seem to require some kind of trigger for activation. (Like a stressful event triggering a natal Mars sesqui-square Neptune feeling that "I need a drink!")

The problem I see with 12 is that it is the basic building block of any major aspect plus the quincunx. It's kind of a "meh" aspect, in my opinion.

 

[John Thompson]

Hi, David--

Sorry about Kepler. Quintiles seem to indicate a lot of ambition. They are prominent in Vladimir Putin's chart. (a quintile trio involving sun, Mars, and Jupiter, Pluto quintile ascendant.) Also in Hitler's chart (Saturn Q moon-Jupiter, Neptune Q moon-Jupiter, Neptune Q Saturn, 4 planets Q Asc.) I could come up with a few more examples. Obviously ordinary people are not into world domination, but I think where you see a quintile, it indicates ambition to "make something" of whatever the planetary pair symbolizes.

As an American-born Canadian resident, I look at divisions of 8, although I don't see them as strong as squares and oppositions. In my life, they seem to require some kind of trigger for activation. (Like a stressful event triggering a natal Mars sesqui-square Neptune feeling that "I need a drink!")

The problem I see with 12 is that it is the basic building block of any major aspect plus the quincunx. It's kind of a "meh" aspect, in my opinion.

I'm glad you've bought up about the quintiles in Putin/Hitler charts, where we have a string of the same aspects for this gives great scope with the midpoints. Taking Putin we have this ambition of the quintiles, with the midpoint structure Sun/Mars 180 Jupiter which [quoting Ebertin] pertains to 'the striving for the attainment of power- the act of taking possession'. Very telling indeed!

 

[waybread]

Thanks, John. In horary astrology I use a simplified form of traditional horary without minor aspects, but not necessarily in a nativity. I think it's wise to look at the majors before moving on to the minors, but sometimes the Ptolemaic aspects don't get at the big themes in the person's life.

I'm mindful that a really wide orb might be masking a clear signal in a harmonic chart (which to me is another way of displaying minor aspects.) For example, a 10-degree orb in the radix chart becomes a square in the 9H chart. The quincunx of 150 degrees is interesting because too-wide an orb can mask a bi-quintile at 144 degrees or a tri-septile at 154 degrees.

Sometimes a person's chart isn't loaded with quintiles, but where they occur, I think they say something about a person's life. For example, Donald Trump with his sexual assault issues, has Venus Q moon and Venus Q Neptune. Jupiter in the second house of money Q MC says a lot about his ambitions. Venus is the house cusp ruler of both his 2nd house and MC.

I hope you will say more about how you use minor aspects.

 

[FraterAC]

I use the semisextile (30), semisquare (45), sesquiquadrate (135), inconjunct (150), parallel and contraparallel (both if within 60').
I don't consider the expression "unaspected" valid; for one thing, people use it to explain various disparate effects.

 

[Ailithjohnson]

In astrology, non-ptolemaic aspects are angles between planets that deviate from the conventional Ptolemaic aspects conjunctions, oppositions, squares, trines, and sextile angles. These other features quinctiles, septiles, or noviles offer special insights into minor energies and influences inside a chart. Astrologers can find deeper levels of significance and investigate more difficult dynamics in a person's life by including non-Ptolemaic elements in astrological readings. This method reveals latent patterns and possibilities, therefore enabling a more sophisticated interpretation.​