VP Kamala Harris: next president?

[ElenaJ]

Waybread, early voting starts with absentee ballots.
Might be impossible to use any of these as a "start off" date.

Sept. 6 — First state begins mail-in voting​

Voters in North Carolina will be the first to receive absentee ballots for the 2024 general election. The state will initiate the vote-by-mail process on Sept. 6, a full two months ahead of Election Day, by mailing ballots to eligible voters who have requested absentee ballots in advance. The rules differ by state for whether voters need to request mail-in ballots, need to provide an excuse in order to get one, or automatically receive one.

Several additional states also open the absentee voting period in September, including Alabama (Sept. 11), Kentucky (Sept. 16), Pennsylvania (Sept. 16), Wisconsin (Sept. 19), Arkansas (Sept. 20), Minnesota (Sept. 20), New York (Sept. 20), South Dakota (Sept. 20), Virginia (Sept. 20), West Virginia (Sept. 20), Idaho (Sept. 21), Louisiana (Sept. 21), New Jersey (Sept. 21), Texas (Sept. 21), Maryland (Sept. 23), Mississippi (Sept. 23), Vermont (Sept. 23), Missouri (Sept. 24), Florida (Sept. 26), Illinois (Sept. 26), Michigan (Sept. 26), North Dakota (Sept. 26), District of Columbia (Sept. 30), and Nebraska (Sept. 30).


Other states open the absentee voting period in October: Connecticut (Oct. 4), Maine (Oct. 6), Massachusetts (Oct. 6), New Hampshire (Oct. 6), South Carolina (Oct. 6), California (Oct. 7), Georgia (Oct. 7), Ohio (Oct. 7), New Mexico (Oct. 8), Wyoming (Oct. 8), Arizona (Oct. 9), Alaska (Oct. 11), Colorado (Oct. 11), Montana (Oct. 11), Utah (Oct. 15), Iowa (Oct. 16), Kansas (Oct. 16), Nevada (Oct. 16), Oregon (Oct. 16), Hawaii (Oct. 18), Washington (Oct. 18).

 

[piercethevale]

Kamala, Kamala, Chameleon...
She was the Border Czar and now she's going to become the Grocery Czar... how wonderful... as I now sit in a transient hotel, in Reno, down to my last $25 with just a little more than a week until I get my next pension check... wondering where the groceries are? Where-as just a few years ago, I had a two bedroom, two bath apt. with more than enough food in my larder.
May God help us all.

 

[piercethevale]

Waybread, early voting starts with absentee ballots.
Might be impossible to use any of these as a "start off" date.

Sept. 6 — First state begins mail-in voting​

Voters in North Carolina will be the first to receive absentee ballots for the 2024 general election. The state will initiate the vote-by-mail process on Sept. 6, a full two months ahead of Election Day, by mailing ballots to eligible voters who have requested absentee ballots in advance. The rules differ by state for whether voters need to request mail-in ballots, need to provide an excuse in order to get one, or automatically receive one.

Several additional states also open the absentee voting period in September, including Alabama (Sept. 11), Kentucky (Sept. 16), Pennsylvania (Sept. 16), Wisconsin (Sept. 19), Arkansas (Sept. 20), Minnesota (Sept. 20), New York (Sept. 20), South Dakota (Sept. 20), Virginia (Sept. 20), West Virginia (Sept. 20), Idaho (Sept. 21), Louisiana (Sept. 21), New Jersey (Sept. 21), Texas (Sept. 21), Maryland (Sept. 23), Mississippi (Sept. 23), Vermont (Sept. 23), Missouri (Sept. 24), Florida (Sept. 26), Illinois (Sept. 26), Michigan (Sept. 26), North Dakota (Sept. 26), District of Columbia (Sept. 30), and Nebraska (Sept. 30).


Other states open the absentee voting period in October: Connecticut (Oct. 4), Maine (Oct. 6), Massachusetts (Oct. 6), New Hampshire (Oct. 6), South Carolina (Oct. 6), California (Oct. 7), Georgia (Oct. 7), Ohio (Oct. 7), New Mexico (Oct. 8), Wyoming (Oct. 8), Arizona (Oct. 9), Alaska (Oct. 11), Colorado (Oct. 11), Montana (Oct. 11), Utah (Oct. 15), Iowa (Oct. 16), Kansas (Oct. 16), Nevada (Oct. 16), Oregon (Oct. 16), Hawaii (Oct. 18), Washington (Oct. 18).

Well, let's take a look at a chart for when the voting does begin. As that will be in Alabama, which is in the Central time zone, that will be 1 a.m. EDST.
What I see, right off the bat, is interesting in that the Asc. will be one degree before that of the I.C. from the USA's natal chart.
I find the Part of Fortune, at that moment, to be most interesting too, as for the Sabian Symbol for that degree of the Zodiac... i.e. the 10th degree of Libra. [From Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]
"
LIBRA 10°): HAVING PASSED SAFELY THROUGH NARROW RAPIDS, A CANOE REACHES CALM WATERS.

KEYNOTE: The self-control and poise necessary to reach a steady state of inner stability.

This symbol hardly needs to be commented upon. It could be related to the fifth symbol of the preceding five-fold sequence referring to guru-chela relationship at the actional level. Here we are dealing essentially with the emotional life and its crises. At the next — mental and individual — level, the concluding symbol will suggest the perfect and smooth working of the intellect ruled by logic and simplicity of means.

This is the fifth stage of the thirty-eighth sequence; it concludes what was begun at the first stage. The inner 'revelation' which brought about dramatic confrontations can now be meditated upon as it is reflected on the calm waters of the mind. As a Keyword one may use the term RELIEF."

The key phrase here is, "[the]...symbol will suggest the perfect and smooth working of the intellect ruled by logic and simplicity of means.". The Part of Fortune doesn't necessarily mean that this will be employed at the time. What it does mean is that it should be. I can only pray that it will be.

The chart for the moment as it relates to Philadelphia, the birthplace of the United States.

Please forgive me for the image I provide. I've been using a Chromebook,and not a p.c., for a couple of months now and, so far, all I've been able to figure out is how to use the "screen shot" to provide images. I've yet to figure out if there is a way to download an image and share it.

 

[ElenaJ]

Well, let's take a look at a chart for when the voting does begin. As that will be in Alabama, which is in the Central time zone, that will be 1 a.m. EDST.
What I see, right off the bat, is interesting in that the Asc. will be one degree before that of the I.C. from the USA's natal chart.
I find the Part of Fortune, at that moment, to be most interesting too, as for the Sabian Symbol for that degree of the Zodiac... i.e. the 10th degree of Libra. [From Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]
"
LIBRA 10°): HAVING PASSED SAFELY THROUGH NARROW RAPIDS, A CANOE REACHES CALM WATERS.

KEYNOTE: The self-control and poise necessary to reach a steady state of inner stability.

This symbol hardly needs to be commented upon. It could be related to the fifth symbol of the preceding five-fold sequence referring to guru-chela relationship at the actional level. Here we are dealing essentially with the emotional life and its crises. At the next — mental and individual — level, the concluding symbol will suggest the perfect and smooth working of the intellect ruled by logic and simplicity of means.

This is the fifth stage of the thirty-eighth sequence; it concludes what was begun at the first stage. The inner 'revelation' which brought about dramatic confrontations can now be meditated upon as it is reflected on the calm waters of the mind. As a Keyword one may use the term RELIEF."

The key phrase here is, "[the]...symbol will suggest the perfect and smooth working of the intellect ruled by logic and simplicity of means.". The Part of Fortune doesn't necessarily mean that this will be employed at the time. What it does mean is that it should be. I can only pray that it will be.

The chart for the moment as it relates to Philadelphia, the birthplace of the United States.
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Please forgive me for the image I provide. I've been using a Chromebook,and not a p.c., for a couple of months now and, so far, all I've been able to figure out is how to use the "screen shot" to provide images. I've yet to figure out if there is a way to download an image and share it.

Not to seem ungrateful, but unfortunately it is pretty blurry and hard to read. The aspect table below is cut off.

 

[PenguinTrauma]

Here's the chart in full

 

[ElenaJ]

Moon moving from square saturn on MH to square sun on IC.

 

[PenguinTrauma]

Im not sure it indicates who will win, but the first thing that struck is the Grand Mutable Cross. Which suggests a lot of changeable energies, flip flopping from one to the other and back again.

The two main candidates may see many fluctuations in numbers in the polls, in the lead up to the election. This may cast a very uncertain shadow over the whole thing.

The Moon Sagittarius representing the public, in the 6th house, and both opposite and ruled by Jupiter Gemini in 12th. This possibly suggests that immigration may be at the forefront of people's minds.

The 6th house ruling employment, daily activities, health systems, routines, being hindered by the "unseen enemy" being mass (Jupiter) migration, which is perceived to be happening behind the scenes. The raw data and detail (Gemini) is not known about the true numbers, as it's hidden. Maybe much bigger or surprisingly smaller. But assuming it's an increase, given Jupiter.

Jupiter is also the co-ruler of the MC, and the other ruler Neptune is in 10th. Possibly suggesting either confusion about the current leadership, or major uncertainty over who should lead. Possibly even apathy and a resigned feeling that particular candidates are certain to win. So, hey, why bother voting!

Saturn is involved in the Mutable T-square, in the 9th, circling back to immigration and the strong need for limits and prevention methods, shrinking and contracting the numbers. It is retrograde, so it's looking at what occurred in the past. Saturn in a Cadent house in 9th but conjunct MC, also retrograde, and along with Neptune in Angular 10th, so potential candidates could be seen as weak or ineffectual?

I'm sure there's more, that others may add, or feel free to provide corrections (I'm not American lol! I can't tell which placements would be Kamala or Trump, and I don't want to try and guess, given I don't live there )

 

[piercethevale]

Not to seem ungrateful, but unfortunately it is pretty blurry and hard to read. The aspect table below is cut off.

Yes, I realized that after I had posted it.
I can't figure out the Chrome OS. The flash drives I had from previous p.c.'s were stolen, along with my cell phone and some other personal items, when I moved back to Reno at the beginning of July. I had set down my shoulder bag while moving some belongings up from the truck I had rented to my second floor room. When I realized later on that it wasn't among my possessions, I searched the lobby for it to no avail.
I don't even know if information from a flash drive taken from a Windows OS is even compatible with Chrome OS. Despite my many years of experience using a computer on the internet, and having my own p.c. since 2006, I'm yet still inept at so many things, and the list grows longer with each passing year and methods and apps become obsolete with new ones to learn and adjust to.
I'm afraid that I've become an anachronism, an obsolete human being.
Thank you Penguin Trauma for your assistance here. I had just taken a screen shot of the charts' table at xs 225 and was going to post that when I found that you had posted the entire chart just some few minutes prior.
If anyone does know how to download an image using a Chrome OS, and will post that knowledge, it will be most appreciated. Other than that, I hope to be able to get my p.c. repaired, if possible. I do have an older p.c. that is running widows 7, but unfortunately it can't connect with the wi fi here as it seems that Windows 7 isn't adaptable to a 5G internet wi fi. The Dell p.c., that is broken, as I knocked it off a nightstand and then stepped on the screen as the room was dark, that has Windows 8, was capable of handling a 5G internet connection.
If anyone knows how I might adapt the Windows 7 p.c. to this 5G wi fi, please let me know. Is the wireless adapter capable of being upgraded to handle it. although I don't know how I will be able to upgrade it without it being able to get on the internet... unless I pay an expert to do all this for me...that is if it can be done?
Well, since I went to the trouble of getting a higher magnification of that charts table, I might as well post it to see how it all came out.
Thank you again, Penguin Trauma, and thank you Elena J. for your patience and understanding.
ptv

It seems that it was a worthwhile effort... just not soon enough of an effort.

 

[ElenaJ]

Moon Sagittarius representing the public,

So you are calculating the ascendent as the People.
I would have used 7th, but you may be right.

Despite my many years of experience using a computer on the internet, and having my own p.c. since 2006, I'm yet still inept at so many things, and the list grows longer with each passing year and methods and apps become obsolete with new ones to learn and adjust to.
I'm afraid that I've become an anachronism, an obsolete human being.

Welcome to the club.

 

[FraterAC]

So you are calculating the ascendent as the People.
I would have used 7th, but you may be right.

I think the Moon has traditionally been used to designate the public, or the citizenry.

 

[PenguinTrauma]

I think the Moon has traditionally been used to designate the public, or the citizenry.

You beat me to it! I read that in mundane charts, the Moon represents the public, or moreso the mood of the public, what the overall feel is.

I'm quite curious what the 7th house would represent in general election charts. We can see Pluto retrograde at 29°Capricorn on the cusp of 7th/8th.

I haven't quite figured out what that might be. Only a theme of, what could possibly go wrong?! It looks strong, and quite confronting.

 

[piercethevale]

Just out of curiosity, just for "fits and giggles", and as I am ever experimenting with other means by which to interpret event charts and have seen some encouragement in results to delve more into the using of Astrological Parts, I derived the Part of Hyleg for the event charts of September 11th [what an ominous date, huh?] and as that calls for the use of the pre-event New Moon, which I found will occur at 11* 04' 12" what is then derived as for a Part of Hyleg amounts to 17* 50' 08"... and keep in mind that the Part of Hyleg is said to be that Part which all other Astrological Parts found in a chart then depose to, that it can exist on its own but all the rest of the Parts cannot exist without it. From Dane Rudhyar, the 18th degree of Libra...
[ibid.]
"LIBRA 18°: TWO MEN PLACED UNDER ARREST.

KEYNOTE: A breakdown in the constructive relationship between the individual and society, and the expectable result.

If it is to remain steady and consistent, every form of order must be able to protect itself by the application of sanctions. Both a society and a personal ego constitute forms of order. Any form of order excludes what the form cannot securely and safely hold. It excludes, or exiles, the alien, the unassimilable; if it cannot send them to outer space, it must isolate them in a special type of inner space, a prison. The individual whose actions introduce unacceptable principles into the established order runs the risk of being 'punished' or re-formed according to this order. The problem for a society is how to include in its patterns of order agencies or channels for transformation — and particularly how to keep them truly operative; for individuals, it is how to make their transforming vision or impulse acceptable to society. The symbol does not reveal what caused the breakdown in the relationship between the individual and society; but if one also considers the symbols that follow, one's thoughts may be led back to the image of the storm that wrecked boat landings (Phase 196). The suggestion is that whatever violence is released originates in unconscious pressures (the sea and the wind). A new step in the evolution of society — the Industrial and Electronic Revolutions of the last hundred and fifty years — caused a collective, world-wide upheaval which led to widespread violence. The fact that two men are pictured under arrest suggests a polarization and a purpose transcending a merely personal fit of recklessness.

This is the third stage of the fortieth sequence. Negative as the image may seem, one may see implied in it the power in every individual to assume social risks in order to express his convictions or deepest desires. Nevertheless, one thing is needed: FACING THE CONSEQUENCES."

Yeah, well they're all guilty of crimes of one sort or another... makes perfect sense to me. How appropriate.

 

[waybread]

You beat me to it! I read that in mundane charts, the Moon represents the public, or moreso the mood of the public, what the overall feel is.

I'm quite curious what the 7th house would represent in general election charts. We can see Pluto retrograde at 29°Capricorn on the cusp of 7th/8th.

I haven't quite figured out what that might be. Only a theme of, what could possibly go wrong?! It looks strong, and quite confronting.

Penguin Trauma, this article is specifically about ingress charts, but it does give a succinct outline of the meanings of planets and houses in mundane astrology:

Skyscript: Ingresses, an Introduction to Mundane Astrology

An Introduction to Ingresses and significations in mundane astrology with commentaries on the Aries Ingress 2004 by Deborah Houlding, Sue Toohey and Tom Callanan

www.skyscript.co.uk

Generally the moon represents "the people" as opposed to the sun as the head of state. The 10th house symbolizes the party in power. The 4th house also symbolizes "the people" as well as the opposition party. The 7th house (perhaps as 'the other') deals with foreign nations and foreign affairs.

I'm unclear about the extent to which a political leader's chart can serve as a mundane chart. But it's worth contemplating. I think in a political leader's chart the 7th might say something about their "open enemies." The 7th rules litigation and lawsuits, vs. the 9th ruling the law as a branch of higher education.

 

[piercethevale]

On further reflection, that the event charts is relative to the voting public, and not the candidates themselves, then it still makes some appropriate sense in the "unaccepted principles" have been introduced and pounded into the public's mind by the mass media. The definition of some crimes have been changed... the lies and falsely based accusations have been of an enormous number even for an American election.
Those citizens that do go and vote in this upcoming election are being called upon to be of their most discerning selves that they've ever been called upon to be before.
I have never seen this nation so torn apart by partisan politics before as it presently is now. Old friends and acquaintances have become vile and bitter foes, I've seen it happen and been the victim of it myself. It's even tearing families apart.

Reading again the entire text of Dane's interpretation it all seems very relative to what is currently happening to American society. Particularly the following, quote: "The individual whose actions introduce unacceptable principles into the established order runs the risk of being 'punished' or re-formed according to this order. The problem for a society is how to include in its patterns of order agencies or channels for transformation — and particularly how to keep them truly operative; for individuals, it is how to make their transforming vision or impulse acceptable to society.", unquote.

I may have stumbled upon something here by using such a technique, deriving a Part of Hyleg, for an event chart. I will have to further experiment with it. Thank you for your patience and tolerance. Do carry on.

 

[ElenaJ]

suggests that immigration may be at the forefront of people's minds.

rather than immigration, the illegal entries of masses. 9th is peoples from foreign countries but also law.

Jupiter is also the co-ruler of the MC, and the other ruler Neptune is in 10th.

Hopefully not massive voter fraud.

so it's looking at what occurred in the past. Saturn in a Cadent house in 9th but conjunct MC, also retrograde, and along with Neptune in Angular 10th, so potential candidates could be seen as weak or ineffectual?

Or, simply a candidate from the past. Which isn't very helpful because both candidates are in reality from the past.

 

[piercethevale]

Just one more post of comment here, as I realize that Sabian Symbols are still not recognized as "acceptable principles" themselves, in Astrological circles presently. I might end up getting arrested or exiled myself?
I shouldn't have made such a flippant comment as I did in the post where I present the symbolism for the Part of Hyleg derived from the event charts, it just seemed to be a humorous, and clever, quip at the moment,,, and I hadn't yet really given the matter any introspective thought.

While Trump claims that he is only trying to "make America great again, that is to return the United States to the ways, the state of being, of the past, it is still a "transformative" process that he wishes to introduce.
What the Democrat's have been up to, allowing unprecedented numbers of illegal aliens to cross our borders, to hand out stipends and housing vouchers to them, to practically give them an invulnerable cloak of sanctuary, even when they are guilty of crimes, I, and many others, find to be "unacceptable principles" being introduced to society... or more as to like being rammed down our throats.

That high raking politicians have relatives in positions of lucrative compensation, I also find to be "unacceptable principles", e.g. Hunter Biden on the board of directors of a Ukrainian energy company by the name of Burisma, Nancy Pelosi's only son has had controversial positions within companies that can seemingly be due to her political influence, and John Kerry having the same, and in association with Hunter Biden too, as to co-founding financial services company, Rosemont Seneca Partners, with John Kerry's step son, Christopher Heinz, who joined Hunter Biden and Devon Archer, one of Heinz' classmates at Yale University, in 2009.
...and then again in 2012, when Hunter Biden and Devon Archer talked to Chinese private equity investor Jonathan Li about joining forces on a fund that would invest Chinese capital - and possibly capital from other countries - outside of China. Which includes a lot in America, only "investing" mostly means the buying up of American companies, as much farmland in California that they've been able to, and numerous other land acquisitions all over the United States. All of which I find to be unacceptable, myself, even though that kind of stuff has been going on in Washington for many years, and isn't anything that can be said to be "newly introduced"

What I see as being newly introduced, is Trump attempting to "drain the swamp", the very swamp that continues to spawn such danmable activities.


Yet Trump did take some rather radical, and "newly introduced", actions in the four years He was in the office. The recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which I think is highly commendable, but I am also aware is highly controversial and certainly unprecedented. His use of that drone to assassinate the Iranian General, Qasem Soleimani, was considered to be outside of "accepted principles", and was highly controversial, and some said it was even criminal, although I found it to be most commendable, that he really showed us "a pair" in doing so, and that goes for the recognition of Jerusalem as well, for that matter.

However, Trumps support of electronic currency is one unprecedented "principle" that I find to be disturbing, and is unacceptable to me. I don't want to see the end of the use of currency, tangible currency that is. Not that I'm fond of, or even condoning, of the use of fiat money, as I'd much like to see a return to "hard currency", I.e. the use of silver and gold in coinage and "certificates on demand", but I also know that likely won't happen again, at least not in the remaining years of my lifetime. But the exclusive use of electronic currency to me is the sign that the "Beast" has arrived upon the world scene. While I'm not inclined to believe the prophecy attributed to the Book of Revelation, I still find it most disturbing.
[Note: that the number, or "mark" of the beast, I.e. 666 transliterates into Hebrew as the letter Vav, the Hebrew equivalent of the English alphabet's letter, the "W", and we all know what WWW is. Besides, it was most likely that the dream that John of "Revelation" had, didn't produce Arabic numerals, as they didn't exist until the 6th century and weren't know of outside of India until the 8th century. That dream of John is said to have occurred in the late first or early second century, and Arabic numerals weren't even known of in Europe until the 11th century, and at first, until about the 12th century, they were only knows of to a few scribes, then gradually to the royalty, and were not in the general awareness of the masses until the 16th century. Those numbers that appeared in that dream were surely in a form that the Hebrews used, or possibly in Roman numerals form, but not likely the Roman. My experience with dream interpretation, and I am clairvoyant in the dream state but I can't induce it, has proven to me that the symbolism seen in dreams must always be deposed into the provenance from which the dream one had, in turn, is attributed to be about. As I see it, anything Biblical, whether it be as to the Old Testament or the New, is of the provenance of the Hebrews. As the entire reason for the existence of the New Testament is because Christians believe the man known as Yeshu'a/Jesus, is the messiah, and the "messiah" is of the provenance of the Hebrews. The concept originated with their religion, and regardless of whether or not they recognized the Nazarene as being that, it is still their call as to whom that mantle does eventually fall upon. IMHO... of course. In short, I don't agree with much the Vatican has had to say about the matter, any matter at all, concerning Christianity and particularly anything found in the Book of Revelation... the very existence of which, is the Vatican's doing to begin with.
I apologize for this digression, but a digression I felt was necessary to explain my reference to the seemingly appearance of the "Beast". ]

In the words of Chester A. Riley, "what a revolting development this has become".
I may just end up voting for whichever candidate causes me to vomit the least between now and November 5th.

 

[FraterAC]

What the Democrat's have been up to, allowing unprecedented numbers of illegal aliens to cross our borders, to hand out stipends and housing vouchers to them, to practically give them an invulnerable cloak of sanctuary, even when they are guilty of crimes,

Sounds like propaganda to me. Has this been fact-checked? Is there a source other than the usual Right wing outlets?
This is a strawman argument. Of course no one would find this acceptable. An argument you can't lose.
If the allegation is true.
Remember the "caravans" on their way to the border right before the Midterm elections? Never made it, did they? Because they never existed. They were made up to be a scare tactic. Which failed.

 

[waybread]

Folks, please stick to astrological interpretations of the upcoming presidential race on this thread. Chat threads are available for astrology-free discussions of the candidates, or whatever else you'd like to discuss.

The OP question is not actually whether one likes or dislikes Kamala Harris, but whether the stars point to her becoming the next president.

 

[piercethevale]

Sounds like propaganda to me. Has this been fact-checked? Is there a source other than the usual Right wing outlets?
This is a strawman argument. Of course no one would find this acceptable. An argument you can't lose.
If the allegation is true.
Remember the "caravans" on their way to the border right before the Midterm elections? Never made it, did they? Because they never existed. They were made up to be a scare tactic. Which failed.

I've seen busloads of them arrive in Reno, as it is a bastion of hotels of failed casinos that still exist, ready to rent to anyone, regardless of credit status, regardless of just about anything. They have housing vouchers, they line up at the Catholic charities outlets, for food and clothing, and I do sympathize with them. There are plenty of news stories, from all types of media "outlets", about aliens, guilty of crimes, that were released and then committed more serious crimes. I was a California resident for over 70 years and I know what kind of person Kamala is. I have had personal dealings with her. I wrote to her when she was the attorney general of Calif. and informed her of gov't corruption and told her that I had the evidence. She brushed me off. She didn't want to deal with it. I took a great hit for being a whistle blower, and I will suffer for it for the rest of my days.
Regardless of what the "Stars" say [especially a great many of them in Hollywood] she should not be allowed to have the Oval Office, in my humble, but well informed, experienced, opinion.
I will excuse myself from this particular thread and post no more. I've said my piece.

 

[waybread]

I've been spending a bit more time lately on the OP question, which necessarily includes comparing prognostications for Harris with Donald Trump's. Right now, to me, his results look better than hers, but not entirely so.

Wondering what y'all would do in the case of mixed testimonies? Look at them all, in a balanced "preponderance of the evidence" way? Or go with one method that consistently gives you the best results? If so, which method is it?

One of the strongest pro-Trump arguments coming out of the political debate is voters feeling that they did better economically under Trump's presidency. In the past 3.5 years, housing costs have soared, along with inflation in basic consumer goods like groceries. Mundanely, a 2nd house matter. Or perhaps a turned 2nd from the 4th.