what age is it now

[wowreally]

i *think* i read that we're entering the age of the aquarius.
this whole time i thought we were finishing with it, and moving on to pisces?? Something i was really looking forward to..

i don't even know what the age of" " means.
does anyone know any websites that explain it,
i haven't found much

 

[Mark]

The "ages" are the 12 divisions of the Great Year (which completes about every 25,695 solar years). Thus, each age takes about 2,141 years on average. This Great Year is a description of the cycle of precession, the tendency of the solstice and equinox points to come one degree earlier about every 72 years. This means that this slow change moves backward around the zodiac. If we assume that we are exactly on the Aquarius/Pisces cusp right now, then we would have been on the Pisces/Aries cusp 2,141 years ago, and we would be on the Capricorn/Aquarius cusp in another 2,141 years. Where exactly to draw the line is a matter of debate. It seems evident that we would have to use the stars to draw a line between signs, but there are no lines in the sky, so it's difficult to know which stars to use for which signs. Many cultures have different constellations and important stars, so which are the most correct? We're still working on that one. So, we do know about how long an age is. We just don't know exactly where we are right now! It's like being lost with a map in a foreign land where you can't read the street signs.

A few people say that we've been in the age of Aquarius for a few centuries. A few other people say that we will reach the age of Aquarius in a few more centuries. The majority opinion is that we are very near the cusp right now, though we don't necessarily know on which side. Some might ask why it matters which side of the line we are technically on, because the changes are long and gradual, not sharp like a distinct threshold. Can we even agree on the most potent part of an age? The beginning cusp? The midpoint? The ending of it? When will Aquarius be most Aquarius? Would it be the same sign degree as when Virgo would be most Virgo? You can see how this topic gets bogged down in discussion with so many questions and so few facts. Personally, I'm looking forward to the end of Aquarius, which will be in roughly two thousand years.

 

[wowreally]

so what is this marker??
when you say we're 'in' the pisces age for example.
i know you're not talking about a planet, is there a sensitive spot in the galaxy.
i never understood that.

 

[dr. farr]

The marker in these speculations (and I am not knocking this "zodiacal ages" concept by using the word "speculations") is the spring equinoctial point, and the starry zodiacal sign (the moving zodiacal constellation of stars) the spring equinox occurs "in".
As Mark mentions, there are numerous significant differences of opinon regarding this vast, metaphysical subject.

 

[Mark]

To make it a little clearer, the name of the age is (in Western cultures) taken from the sign of the Sun at the exact time of the March equinox. We can tell by measuring time that there is an exact moment when the days stop getting shorter and start getting longer, more precise than a day. The position of the Sun at that time tells which age is current. The people we now call ancient Egyptians saw this equinox occur in Taurus and then Aries. About the time the age of Aries became the age of Pisces, Rome showed up and started taking over everything.

 

[david starling]

I realize the post I'm responding to is from a few years ago, but the topic is still relevant: When does the Aquarian Age begin? The only way to know for certain is to use the Tropical Zodiac and the line of apsides. Center an Age Window constructed at one Sign's length (30 degrees of arc) on this line which is the center-line of Earth's elliptical orbit. Earth's wobble as it rotates moves the Age Window in and out of convergence with the Tropical signs (located using Earth's axial tilt), due to the "Progression of the Perihelion". Center this Window on the Sun's position at the time of Earth's Perihelion and it's first point will reach Tropical Aquarius in the year 2149. (58.1 years per degree of direct movement.) Hope this helps.;

 

[JUPITERASC]

There are a number of opinions on "what age it is now"


AGES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjC4Gq-lRWs

According to the Belgian astronomer and mathematical wizard Jean Meeus (bio here), who does adhere to the IAU’s definitions, the sun at the March equinox passed from being in front of the constellation Aries and to being in front of the constellation Pisces in 68 B.C. Looking ahead, again according to Jean Meeus, the March equinox will cross over into the constellation Aquarius in 2597. Once again, these are the astronomical dates, based on IAU constellation boundaries established in 1930.



In The Book of World Horoscopes, Nicholas Campion suggests that approximated dates for entering the Age of Aquarius range from 1447 AD to 3597 AD. Campion also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius



David Williams claims that the Age of Aquarius arrived around 1844, with the harbinger of the Siyyid `Alí Muḥammad (1819–1850), who founded Bábism.

Marcia Moore and Mark Douglas promoted the view that, although no one knows when the Aquarian Age begins, the American Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and the discovery of electricity are all attributable to the Aquarian Age

Vera Reid takes a common position expressed by many astrologers and "New Agers" about the Age of Aquarius. Reid sees the Age of Aquarius as that time when humankind takes control of the Earth and its own destiny as its rightful heritage.

Zoller also believes that knowledge in the Aquarian Age will only be valued for its ability to win wars; scientists may even be able to precipitate earthquakes for military means, and the danger in the Aquarian Age is that knowledge and science will be abused, not industry and trade. Zoller sees the Aquarian Age as a Dark Age in which religion will be seen as offensive.

.......Spencer states that nuclear power must be a manifestation of the Aquarian Age and comments on the parallel between the 25,000 years it takes for uranium to decay with the 26,000-year cycle of the astrological ages.

MacNeice also reports that Gleadow believed that the recent conflicts in the world (presumably the 20th century) correlate to the conflict between Saturn, ancient ruler of Aquarius and Uranus, modern ruler of Aquarius. Gleadow states that Saturn represents control, restrictions, and slavery, while Uranus represents culture, civilization, and intelligence. Though Gleadow viewed Uranus as a "good planet", the famous astrologer Raphaelbelieved Uranus to be evil.

Ray Grasse proposes a "wave" theory of the shifting Great Ages, suggesting that the Age of Aquarius will not arrive on a given date but is instead emerging in influence over many years, similar to how the tide surges forward incrementally rather than all at once. He identifies certain historical periods as especially significant points in that unfoldment, such as the French Revolution or the 1960s, but notes that the full-blown expression of the Aquarian era may still be centuries away.

Rudolf Steiner believes that the Age of Aquarius will arrive in 3573 AD. In Steiner’s approach to the astrological ages, each age is exactly 2,160 years. Based on this structure, the world has been in the Age of Pisces since 1413 AD

Siri Singh Sahib Harbhajan Singh Khalsa Yogiji, known as Yogi Bhajan, taught that The Age of Aquarius began on November 11, 1991 and fully transitioned from Pisces on November 20, 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/1...y-scott-mowry/

 

[david starling]

Re: what age is it now, to JUPITERASC

There really is a way to locate the Aquarian Age Tropically. I realize it's a controversial subject, and I regret upsetting people in telling them about it. There are four advantages for the Tropical chart: First, it's actually in the chart, and therefore available for House position and Aspects; it's start year is definite, because the Tropical sign positions are universally agreed upon; the Ages are direct in keeping with Tropical sign development; and most important to me, the indications are that the Tropical Aquarian Age will crystallize immediately once it starts, and the current World situation and the Western version of History is brought clearly into focus. But, because it does alter the Age paradigm significantly--many similarities to the Sidereal yet also important differences, and there are many who have come to rely on the Sidereal viewpoint, I'm going to accept your advice. I'm "out of the Loop" whereas you, of all the Community members whose posts I've read appear to be solidly connected. Should I just drop the subject in this particular Community? I'm learning a lot in other areas, Houses and Aspects in particular. Tropical Ages just may be an idea whose time hasn't yet arrived. Please let me know what you think. Sincerely, David Starling

 

[JUPITERASC]

Re: what age is it now, to JUPITERASC

There really is a way to locate the Aquarian Age Tropically. I realize it's a controversial subject, and I regret upsetting people in telling them about it. There are four advantages for the Tropical chart: First, it's actually in the chart, and therefore available for House position and Aspects; it's start year is definite, because the Tropical sign positions are universally agreed upon; the Ages are direct in keeping with Tropical sign development; and most important to me, the indications are that the Tropical Aquarian Age will crystallize immediately once it starts, and the current World situation and the Western version of History is brought clearly into focus. But, because it does alter the Age paradigm significantly--many similarities to the Sidereal yet also important differences, and there are many who have come to rely on the Sidereal viewpoint, I'm going to accept your advice. I'm "out of the Loop" whereas you, of all the Community members whose posts I've read appear to be solidly connected. Should I just drop the subject in this particular Community? I'm learning a lot in other areas, Houses and Aspects in particular. Tropical Ages just may be an idea whose time hasn't yet arrived. Please let me know what you think. Sincerely, David Starling

It's not upsetting ~ unless you are upset by their being alternative opinions

 

[david starling]

Re: what age is it now, to JUPITERASC


It's not upsetting ~ unless you are upset by their being alternative opinions

It IS upsetting, for those so heavily invested in their own version of sidereal Ages, that they are unable to explore these "alternative opinions" you're talking about.

 

[david starling]

It IS upsetting, for those so heavily invested in their own version of sidereal Ages, that they are unable to explore these "alternative opinions" you're talking about.

In order to know what Age it is in a sidereal version of the zodiac, you must - (1) determine the astronomical locations of the sign-boundaries; then - (2) designate an astronomically locatable point to be your Age-marker.

In order to know what Age it is in the tropical zodiac, since the sign-boundaries are already agreed upon, you just have to determine the location of the designated Age-marker.

 

[david starling]

In order to know what Age it is in a sidereal version of the zodiac, you must - (1) determine the astronomical locations of the sign-boundaries; then - (2) designate an astronomically locatable point to be your Age-marker.

In order to know what Age it is in the tropical zodiac, since the sign-boundaries are already agreed upon, you just have to determine the location of the designated Age-marker.

Here's just one example of a version of the sidereal Ages - it uses the "Fagan-Bradley" setting of the sidereal sign-boundaries. And, its designated Age-marker is the "Vernal Point" (VP), which is at the Sun's position each year at the start of Spring in the Northern hemisphere. That retrograde movement yields a current sidereal Age of 5° Pisces, and a sidereal Age of Aquarius starting in 2376 A.D.
The rate of movement is currently 71.6 years per one retrograde Age-degree.

 

[david starling]

What makes any Modern siderealist's prediction of when the sidereal Aquarian Age starts different, is that they're using the SAME sidereal zodiac for ALL placements, not just the Ages. They have to abide by whenever the Age-marker reaches their setting of the sign-boundary, whether they like it or not.

Almost ALL of the predictions are by tropical astrologers, who essentially create a sidereal zodiac ONLY for the Ages. They START to with an intuitive choice for when the sidereal Ages begin and end, and create sidereal sign-boundaries to fit.

Robert Hand, for example, used the Anno Domini dating system developed early in the 1st Millennium A.D., by starting the Age of sidereal Pisces in the Year One A.D. Then, using the Modern value for the current length of a sidereal Age using the Vernal Point for his Age-marker, he simply added 2,148 to the Year 0ne (with no Year Zero), and got a sidereal Age of Aquarius beginning in the year 2149.

 

[david starling]

Thomas Henry Burgoyne, a clairvoyant of the19th Century, channelled the information that the sidereal Aquarian Age began in the year 1881.

Alan Leo, the Theosopher credited with founding "Modern astrology", liked 1928 for the beginning of the Aquarian Age.

Raymond Massey, credited with being first to publish the actual term, "Age of Aquarius", thought it began in 1900.

So many tropical astrologers, trying to determine start-years for the sidereal Ages. And, it's tropicalists. eagerly expecting the sidereal Aquarian Age, and many are even believing that it's already started. Whereas, most siderealists are content with a sidereal Age of Aquarius beginning as late as around 2400 A.D.!

All the more surprising, because the Age-marker all these tropicalists are using, doesn't even transit in a tropical chart! So why is it tropicalists who are feeling the closeness of the Aquarian Age the most?

 

[Diem11]

so what is this marker??
when you say we're 'in' the pisces age for example.
i know you're not talking about a planet, is there a sensitive spot in the galaxy.
i never understood that.

The "Marker" is what is known as the Sidereal Vernal Point. It's the Earth's vernal equinox point as seen in relation to the procession of the zodiac in the Earth's 25,000 or so year spinning top movement. Currently, the Sidereal Vernal Point is at about 4 degrees of Pisces and will reach 29 degrees of Aquarius in about 288 years.

 

[FraterAC]

Currently, the Sidereal Vernal Point is at about 4 degrees of Pisces and will reach 29 degrees of Aquarius in about 288 years.

It is due to differences in the calculation of the ayanamsa that there is uncertainty as to the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. There are a number of ayanamsas in Vedic astrology, and the Western Siderealists started out with one (with Spica as fiduciary) and later adjusted it slightly. Added to this are differences of opinion as to whether or not the constellations determining the Ages consist of 30 degree arcs, or vary in extent, as the visible constellations apparently do.
The vernal point itself is in constant motion, so I have never seen it described as "Sidereal." For the reasons given above, Sidereal 0 Aries, which would at least anchor the beginning of the Sidereal Zodiac, is currently indeterminable.
The important point IMO is, to realize the tropical Zodiac, determined by the vernal point, 0 tropical Aries, that the overwhelming majority of us here is using, is in constant backwards motion (ie is precessing) about 50.2" of arc a year. It is our Zodiac that is moving against the background of the constellations.

 

[Bjorkstrand]

0° pisces is the center of pisces. we are in pisces.

 

[david starling]

0° pisces is the center of pisces. we are in pisces.

Which Pisces? The one Saturn is currently transiting, or another one?

 

[Blister]

I don't know when the age of reasoning existed, but I think we are due for a re-do.

 

[FraterAC]

I don't know when the age of reasoning existed, but I think we are do for a re-do.

Well, before the Age of Taurus (the Builders), there was the Age of Gemini. During that period we have the Asguardian myths, with Wotan (Odin - Mercury) as the head of the pantheon. Wotan sought wisdom and understanding above all else -- even gave an eye and allowed himself to be hanged, among other things, to achieve it. Much of the symbolism has to do with intelligence and the working of the mind.
It'll come around again. In a while.
IMHO the current neo-pagan adherents are a few thousand years out of step, though. Just saying.