what age is it now

[HMcArthur]

HMc, how exactly do we use Sagittarius A* to locate the measured 30° SIDEREAL SIGN in a SIDEREAL CHART?

I chose to locate 0 degrees of Sidereal Sagittarius at the Galactic Centre (or Sagittarius A*). As with any modelling exercise, you view the data and make choices that fit that data. I haven't yet come across any reason to change that modelling decision. But, like any theoretician, I'm open to the possibility of updating the model, as necessary.

When looking for evidence of 'The Ages' I was pleasantly surprised at how straightforward that proved to be. Let me point to one of those 'Impulse Points' - 473 B.C. around the time Socrates was teaching. Anthony Grayling, in his book 'The History of Philosophy', points out that Socrates' teaching was a departure from centuries of tradition - a new perspective in the approach to the coming Age of Pisces. The corresponding period in the approach to Aquarius, 1688 onwards, saw the beginning of The Enlightenment, and the work of John Locke pre-empting the revolutions in France and the USA, as well as his defence of Empiricism in support of a nascent science - reason beginning to challenge belief.

Grayling's book is filled with examples of the continuing evolution of Human thinking, fleshing out my model with real data - much to his displeasure, I should add! He is, after all, a member of 'Team Dawkins' here in the UK.

 

[david starling]

I'm pleased that the Equinoctial, Precessional, GC sidereal method, aligns so well with the Perihelion, Precessional, Age-window, tropical method. It's almost uncanny, except that it's really just a different angle of view of the same phenomena - so why shouldn't they agree? Seems they both shine a spotlight on an era surrounding 500 B.C.

 

[HMcArthur]

Hello David,

Here is the 'polarity-response' system that I use to explain the internal progress of the Ages. Missing are the halfway points that define each Age as having four parts. Prior to 69CE, the beginning of the latest Great Year, there's an impulse point at 473BC. The point beyond the start of Pisces is at 610AD. The position of all of these points in time is the result of equal angle changes in the First Point of Aries.

My primary objection to your perihelion system is that it is based on a metrical property of the solar system and not a topological one. I could be mistaken, of course, but recognising the topological attributes of Astrology has been the key to my success in understanding this ancient art.

Henry.

 

[david starling]

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Hello David,

Here is the 'polarity-response' system that I use to explain the internal progress of the Ages. Missing are the halfway points that define each Age as having four parts. Prior to 69CE, the beginning of the latest Great Year, there's an impulse point at 473BC. The point beyond the start of Pisces is at 610AD. The position of all of these points in time is the windowresult of equal angle changes in the First Point of Aries.

My primary objection to your perihelion system is that it is based on a metrical property of the solar system and not a topological one. I could be mistaken, of course, but recognising the topological attributes of Astrology has been the key to my success in understanding this ancient art.

Henry.

Three types of years, sidereal, tropical, and anomalous. An astrologically constructed Age-window of 30 degrees is situated appropriately on an astronomically located, measured point.

For the tropical Ages, there's a True-setting each year, and the True-settings Oscillate back and forth. The Mean-setting is steadily Direct, at rate of 1.1 minute of arc each seasonal year, and my calculations have the Mean-setting ingressing tropical Aquarius in 2149 AD, for the Effective start of the new Age.

The current tropical Age is 1743 seasonal years, and the current Age began in 405 A.D. By coincidence, according to Historians, this was the very beginning of the Fall of the Roman Empire.

For a sidereal zodiac, the point most used is the Vernal Point, aka the First Point of tropical Aries, a boundary point between Earth's seasons. I'm locating the leading boundary of the sidereal Age-window there. This links the Past Age with the Age-in-Progress, as a background Age, and its Domicile-ruler as the Background Age-ruler. So, for example, the sidereal Age of Pisces shares the Age-window with sidereal Aries.

For the tropical zodiac, it's the shorter anomalous year versus the longer seasonal year which causes Precession of the Perihelion through the tropical zodiac. The Point of Perihelion is on the center-line of Earth's elliptical orbit. When a constructed Age-window is CENTERED on the Point of Perihelion, with its leading point as the Age-marker for each new Age, we now have a Forefront Age-in-Progress of tropical Capricorn, with a Background Age of Sagittarius.

How does using the Center-line of Earth's elliptical orbit to center the 30° Age-window, with its leading-point Age-marker 15 degrees in advance of the Point of Perihelion, relate to the "topological attributes" of astrology you're talking about? The results for the previous Age are remarkably similar to your GC located sidereal zodiac, regarding c.500 B.C. I'm using 3-Decants per age, as Age-divisions.

Btw, these tropical Ages aren't a replacement for the sidereal Ages, they're partnered with them. Both are about Earth-Sun relations - axial tilt for sidereal, and closest approach for tropical. Coincidentally, each has its own Age of Aquarius coming up next.

 

[HMcArthur]

Hello David,

In creating an astrological chart we perform a transformation, in the mathematical sense, from one aspect of reality - the metrical space of science - to another, the unseen level responsible for the astrological overlay to the gravitational clock. Gone are the mass, length and time of physics to be replaced by the organisational principles of the living world of creation. Time as we know it becomes shaped according to the Logic of Life.
The only real metric in this transformed space is relative direction within a framework shaped by gravity. The organisational overlay does not care about lengths of days or years - proper time is irrelevant, only the changing relative orientation within the gravity clock.

Once the Sidereal Zodiac is fixed all of the Age periods are fixed, each being a given angular rotation against the constellations - the rest of the cosmos beyond our solar system home. No need to construct an Age-window - they 'construct' themselves.

The Aries-Libra axis is the Ascendant-Descendant axis for the current world as a unit - useful to remember when looking for Age evidence.

The above diagram shows the temporal hierarchy involved. To every instant we call 'now', there is a contribution from each of these hierarchical scales. This is the reason that a natal chart displays both Signs and Houses - both are necessary to the description of 'now'.

My four divisions to each Age is informed by my 'modelling of the moment' - the derivation of the twelvefold system from first principles. Also, from my first-hand experience of the 'Personal Ages' and how they are divided in time. My work stands as a coherent whole.

 

[david starling]

Hello David,

In creating an astrological chart we perform a transformation, in the mathematical sense, from one aspect of reality - the metrical space of science - to another, the unseen level responsible for the astrological overlay to the gravitational clock. Gone are the mass, length and time of physics to be replaced by the organisational principles of the living world of creation. Time as we know it becomes shaped according to the Logic of Life.
The only real metric in this transformed space is relative direction within a framework shaped by gravity. The organisational overlay does not care about lengths of days or years - proper time is irrelevant, only the changing relative orientation within the gravity clock.

Once the Sidereal Zodiac is fixed all of the Age periods are fixed, each being a given angular rotation against the constellations - the rest of the cosmos beyond our solar system home. No need to construct an Age-window - they 'construct' themselves.

The Aries-Libra axis is the Ascendant-Descendant axis for the current world as a unit - useful to remember when looking for Age evidence.
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The above diagram shows the temporal hierarchy involved. To every instant we call 'now', there is a contribution from each of these hierarchical scales. This is the reason that a natal chart displays both Signs and Houses - both are necessary to the description of 'now'.

My four divisions to each Age is informed by my 'modelling of the moment' - the derivation of the twelvefold system from first principles. Also, from my first-hand experience of the 'Personal Ages' and how they are divided in time. My work stands as a coherent whole.

Very impressive! Have you been able to get it "officially" accepted yet by any astrological organizations?

As for the 30° sidereal Age-window I'm using, you're right - it didn't require construction - tropIcal Aries is already there!

Although most schools of sidereal astrology want nothing to do with the tropical signs, they're already using the Vernal Point, which is the locator for the First Point of tropical Aries.

 

[HMcArthur]

Very impressive! Have you been able to get it "officially" accepted yet by any astrological organizations?

As for the 30° sidereal Age-window I'm using, you're right - it didn't require construction - tropIcal Aries is already there!

Although most schools of sidereal astrology want nothing to do with the tropical signs, they're already using the Vernal Point, which is the locator for the First Point of tropical Aries.

David,

In the preceding few decades, I have found it impossible to get astrologers to move from their 'comfort zones' - what they have been taught about Astrology is their 'Truth' - whether it hangs together, or not. A coherent view, uniting the parts of astrology into one internally-consistent system, has had little appeal.

These days I don't take it personally - at one time I did, locking horns with anyone who denied the validity of my insights and arguments. I'm older and wiser now, so I keep working on my model of Astrology - for the future!

 

[david starling]

David,

In the preceding few decades, I have found it impossible to get astrologers to move from their 'comfort zones' - what they have been taught about Astrology is their 'Truth' - whether it hangs together, or not. A coherent view, uniting the parts of astrology into one internally-consistent system, has had little appeal.

These days I don't take it personally - at one time I did, locking horns with anyone who denied the validity of my insights and arguments. I'm older and wiser now, so I keep working on my model of Astrology - for the future!

I hadn't thought the sidereal Age of Aries could explain the 500 B.C. - centered outpouring of knowledge and wisdom, but your G.C. located sidereal work with sine waves (inadvertent pun) and pressure points has managed it!

I'd like to see a thread dedicated to explaining just how it all works, including during the Renaissance period. Is there any concern about copyrights?

Astrology is BOTH an intriguing, somewhat arcane art, AND a science in the modern sense of the word.