what age is it now

[Opal]

That's just Trudy making friends with China. Does he wear robes for government Business?

No wonder Canada's having financial difficulties - gotta get with the tropical Age of , and keep wearing those Capricornian power suits!

They wear them everywhere. Not in the RCMP, but even they are adapting.

This year the ribbon skirts. Indigenous.

RCMP add ribbon skirts to uniform line-up - Indigenous Watchdog

Social media heats up over the red tunic with the ribbon skirt. The image shared by the RCMP of the new ribbon skirt. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are incorporating ribbon skirts into its uniforms. The announcement from RCMP Commissioner Mike Duheme on X, formerly Twitter, was made...

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I like the diversity of the uniforms. They now allow turbins.

It is appropriate, many of our areas have people from different parts of the world, and to have officers that are of their cultures is important, to do policing. Respect for their cultures, assists in respect for our culture.

As for financial difficulties, our population is much smaller than yours in the US. Homelessness is at an all time high.

From what I see on JA’s thread, it is in the US too.

Too bad, that the “new world” has a growing homelessness issue.

Can’t the US afford to house their people’s?

Apparently we can’t here. Some tried to build a shelter with the garbage bins behind my garage. Neighbour took care of it, I moved my bins, they moved theirs. I try not too go out there when it’s dark. They are armed.

 

[Opal]

This is a long-running thread that is still very relevant. To answer the original poster's question: We are still in the Age of Pisces and will be until 2225, two centuries from 'now'.

When doing the research on this topic, the first problem needing to be solved was the registration of the Sidereal Zodiac - how to fix the zodiac within the background of the constellations. From the work I had already done on astrological structure in general, it seemed obvious that gravity would play some part in that process. Our galaxy has a major source of gravitational effects at its centre. The Galactic Centre is home to a massive black hole which, at least intuitively, seemed to be an ideal candidate to serve as a reference point. Time, as we experience it, comes to a standstill at its event horizon - what better place to reference 'astrological time'? So, for my initial research, I chose to anchor sidereal Sagittarius at this point - not a new idea, of course.

As always, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". Using my definition, I found that the Age of Pisces began in 69 AD with Aquarius beginning in 2225 AD. To interrogate the historical evidence for age-effects required some way of partitioning each age. Long story short, this lead to a fourfold division of the ages, partitioned by 'Impulse Points' - times when novel ideas/individuals could initiate new ways of thinking and understanding.

The last of these points in Pisces, by my calculation, occurred in 1688, close to the beginning of the Enlightenment - a time I call 'The First Breathe of Aquarius', when reason began to rival belief as a source of understanding the world. Its ironic that one of the major sources of relevant information for age-effects is a book by philosopher Professor Anthony Grayling, one of 'The Dawkins Gang' (as I call them) here in the UK. His book, 'The History of Philosophy', details innovations in thinking over history. This current pre-Aquarius period, when Pisces begins to give way to Aquarius, has its correlate in the pre-Pisces time. A lot happened in that period to seed ideas that would come to fruition in the coming age of Pisces. In the fifth century BC, with an impulse point around 470 BC, we saw the emergence of many 'Great Men' - Socrates, The Buddha, Confucius - all setting the scene for the coming Great Year. The next impulse point, 69 AD and the start of Pisces, saw the rise of the teachings of Christ, a time when the gospels were being written. The following point, 610 AD, saw the beginning of Islam with the dreams of Muhammad. I can't list everything here, but the evidence is extensive, including the events around peak-Pisces where we see the full force of the age manifesting.

Astrology, as a tool for 'making visible' the hidden creative force engineering Human evolution, has the potential to change the world for ever.

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You have 2,160 years for a sidereal age.

Have you read Burgoyne?

 

[Opal]

The mechanical clocks began to be invented in the 14th Century, too early for a harbinger of Saturnian rulership of sidereal Aquarius, (even if I believed that Saturn is domiciled in both Aquarius and Capricorn).

I see no reason why the tropical and sidereal Precessional Ages can't be concurrent. Some things were more Saturn/Capricorn, & some more Neptune/Pisces. The Industrial Revolution (1760 to 1840) was definitely more /, imo.

They would have to. Saturn Cap Tropical is appropriate, but then Saturn Aquarius becomes more so. Once electricity changed it up.

 

[HMcArthur]

precession of the equinoxes || graveworm.com

Primer on precession of the equinoxes and its occult significance.

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You have 2,160 years for a sidereal age.

Have you read Burgoyne?

Not sure what you mean by:

You have 2,160 years for a sidereal age.

I've read many explanations of The Ages (have not heard of Burgoyne), many of which make a common error - by taking the length of a Great Year then dividing by twelve to give the period for each Age. This not the way 'astrological time' proceeds - in astrological space, intervals of equal angle take the place of intervals of equal proper time.

Using one particular piece of software, the Ages seem to be decreasing in proper time by around 1% per Age., so "I" don't have 2,160 years for each Age - they are all slightly different. But each Age is equal in degrees of travel of the First Point of Aries.

 

[Opal]

He is an interesting read.

The Light of Egypt

http://libroesoterico.com/biblioteca/Varios/62139455-The-Light-of-Egypt-Volume-1.pdf Above is the link to the book The Light of Egypt by Thomas H Burgoyne. It is an interesting read, and reread, and reference book, for me anyway. David asked how he arrived at the date of December 22 1880 for...

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[Opal]

Not sure what you mean by:

I've read many explanations of The Ages (have not heard of Burgoyne), many of which make a common error - by taking the length of a Great Year then dividing by twelve to give the period for each Age. This not the way 'astrological time' proceeds - in astrological space, intervals of equal angle take the place of intervals of equal proper time.

Using one particular piece of software, the Ages seem to be decreasing in proper time by around 1% per Age., so "I" don't have 2,160 years for each Age - they are all slightly different. But each Age is equal in degrees of travel of the First Point of Aries.

So have David and I, read much on the subject.

 

[david starling]

= Mind-waves, not lightning bolts.

Creating energy* from matter is seen in the numerology (1+0=1, the number of the Fire-sign , with as Earth-sign#10). The Domicile-ruler of is , including Chronos, ancient god of Time.

So, it's a Time-ruled Age of the 10>1 sign, now culminating as "the Digital Age".**

*(energy in this case means fire, explosives, and electricity).

**(Digital means "10 - based", which started with the widespread use*** of the base-ten numbering system, early in the tropical Age of the tenth sign.)

***("Use" is a key word for Capricorn, the Cardinal-Earth-sign that includes full usage of the material-world.)


ATTEMPTING to explain the unique, innovative-inventions that CLEARLY separate the Modern Era from past Ages, without using tropical, Cardinal-sign, Precessional Ages that are running concurrently with the sidereal, Precessional Ages, is impossible - but, of course you're free to try.

 

[david starling]

Not sure what you mean by:

I've read many explanations of The Ages (have not heard of Burgoyne), many of which make a common error - by taking the length of a Great Year then dividing by twelve to give the period for each Age. This not the way 'astrological time' proceeds - in astrological space, intervals of equal angle take the place of intervals of equal proper time.

Using one particular piece of software, the Ages seem to be decreasing in proper time by around 1% per Age., so "I" don't have 2,160 years for each Age - they are all slightly different. But each Age is equal in degrees of travel of the First Point of Aries.

You came to the party late HMcArthur, but welcome! Opal and I have spent YEARS on the subject of Precessional Ages.

My own discovery of concurrent tropical Ages in 1980, is virtually unknown, because I'm too private and reclusive to present them to the World, except here, at AW under the cover of a username. Well-considered critique is both desirable and necessary!

You might want to start by looking at my thread, "Tropical Age-marker Zodiac Location", which is astronomy-based on Precession of the Earth's Perihelion.

 

[Opal]

Not sure what you mean by:

I've read many explanations of The Ages (have not heard of Burgoyne), many of which make a common error - by taking the length of a Great Year then dividing by twelve to give the period for each Age. This not the way 'astrological time' proceeds - in astrological space, intervals of equal angle take the place of intervals of equal proper time.

Using one particular piece of software, the Ages seem to be decreasing in proper time by around 1% per Age., so "I" don't have 2,160 years for each Age - they are all slightly different. But each Age is equal in degrees of travel of the First Point of Aries.

With the graveworm link it provides the numbers of precession.

The Bible uses the numbers, adding and subtracting zeros.

2,160 adds up to 9, like all the numbers of precession.

Allotting 2,160 for a full signs trip through their sign.

Burgoyne’s The Light of Egypt is enlightening.

 

[david starling]

With the graveworm link it provides the numbers of precession.

The Bible uses the numbers, adding and subtracting zeros.

2,160 adds up to 9, like all the numbers of precession.

Allotting 2,160 for a full signs trip through their sign.

Burgoyne’s The Light of Egypt is enlightening.

Opal convinced me of the importance of the numerology (adding the base-10 digits) of 9.

Precession is currently faster than the 2160-year average for the Equinoctial Precessional sidereal Ages, at 2148 years (according to astronomers). Presumably, in the past, it was longer than the average.

Similarly, for these Precession of the Perihelion tropical Ages, the current length of an Age is 1743 years, with 1800 years as the average length.

So, moving thousands of years back along the historical timeline, I add a few additional years of Age-sign length to compensate.

 

[david starling]

We're living in an Age where, "Anything that can go wrong probably will go wrong", and "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true; BUT, if it sounds too bad to be true, it probably is true; and, "Pessimists are rarely disappointed". Hmmm, sounds like Saturn rules! Delays, plagues, and accidents are only to be expected.

Even Nuclear War isn't considered to be entirely out of the question!

 

[HMcArthur]

Opal convinced me of the importance of the numerology (adding the base-10 digits) of 9.

Precession is currently faster than the 2160-year average for the Equinoctial Precessional sidereal Ages, at 2148 years (according to astronomers). Presumably, in the past, it was longer than the average.

Similarly, for these Precession of the Perihelion tropical Ages, the current length of an Age is 1743 years, with 1800 years as the average length.

So, moving thousands of years back along the historical timeline, I add a few additional years of Age-sign length to compensate.

Opal and David,

I appreciate you directing me to the sources of your understanding, but I'm a hard-headed Scottish engineer - I examine a problem then set about providing a solution - once I actually understand the system I'm looking at. It's not difficult to find evidence for 'The Ages', once you have achieved that necessary level of understanding. In other words, get the modelling right and everything else falls into place!

To gather that evidence involved some extension to the concept 'polarity' and the Human organism's response to it. In short, there's a sinusoidal component to the "power" of any Age - the age-effects are widespread in the middle portion of each Age. This is clearly demonstrated in 'The History of Philosophy' when looking at the contributions of Christianity and Islam to the evolution of civilisation. The Age of Pisces demonstrates the need for both social coherence and the growth of knowledge - religion as philosophy for the masses, growing alongside the philosophical effort that led to today's scientific and technological advances.

I developed my method of examining events in "time" through my discovery of 'The Personal Ages' - a scheme built on the precession of the Moon's nodal axis, where returns to the natal north node signify moving from one phase of life to another. For example, the first personal age lasts from birth into the 19th year (roughly), normally referred to as childhood. This system also has its impulse points - in 1992, around one of those points, I realised I had the necessary insights to rationalise Astrology - and the rest is history, as they say!

 

[david starling]

Opal and David,

I appreciate you directing me to the sources of your understanding, but I'm a hard-headed Scottish engineer - I examine a problem then set about providing a solution - once I actually understand the system I'm looking at. It's not difficult to find evidence for 'The Ages', once you have achieved that necessary level of understanding. In other words, get the modelling right and everything else falls into place!

To gather that evidence involved some extension to the concept 'polarity' and the Human organism's response to it. In short, there's a sinusoidal component to the "power" of any Age - the age-effects are widespread in the middle portion of each Age. This is clearly demonstrated in 'The History of Philosophy' when looking at the contributions of Christianity and Islam to the evolution of civilisation. The Age of Pisces demonstrates the need for both social coherence and the growth of knowledge - religion as philosophy for the masses, growing alongside the philosophical effort that led to today's scientific and technological advances.
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I developed my method of examining events in "time" through my discovery of 'The Personal Ages' - a scheme built on the precession of the Moon's nodal axis, where returns to the natal north node signify moving from one phase of life to another. For example, the first personal age lasts from birth into the 19th year (roughly), normally referred to as childhood. This system also has its impulse points - in 1992, around one of those points, I realised I had the necessary insights to rationalise Astrology - and the rest is history, as they say!

Then, as in the case of these Precessional Ages of the Earth's Perihelion, you have both oscillating "True" and steadily unidirectional "Mean" values. Sounds really interesting!

Have you a method for answering the "Big Question", as to when the Vernal Point, sidereal Age of Aquarius actually has begun or will begin?

Maybe you could explain these Nodal axis, personal Ages more thoroughly by starting a thread specifically for them. I'd definitely check that out!

Btw, I'm proposing a second, long-term Precessional Age using the Earth's Perihelion, to accompany the Vernal Point sidereal Ages. Sidereal Ages for religion, and tropical Ages for Modern technology and Atheistic Modern Science, which has become a religion-substitute for many. It's the tropical chart for the Perihelion Ages, and a sidereal chart for the Equinoctial Ages - especially since the Vernal Point ones don't work in a tropical chart.

I completed 4 years of engineering myself, and also set about providing a solution - as to why the sidereal Ages NEED a companion tropical Age to explain what's transpired since 400 A.D. You can check my methodology yourself, starting with the use of a 30 degree Age-window instead of a single point, to encompass the extreme length and momentum of Precessional Ages.

 

[HMcArthur]

Opal and David,

Then, as in the case of these Precessional Ages of the Earth's Perihelion, you have both oscillating "True" and steadily unidirectional "Mean" values. Sounds really interesting!

Have you a method for answering the "Big Question", as to when the Vernal Point, sidereal Age of Aquarius actually has begun or will begin?

Maybe you could explain these Nodal axis, personal Ages more thoroughly by starting a thread specifically for them. I'd definitely check that out!

Btw, I'm proposing a second, long-term Precessional Age using the Earth's Perihelion, to accompany the Vernal Point sidereal Ages. Sidereal Ages for religion, and tropical Ages for Modern technology and Atheistic Modern Science, which has become a religion-substitute for many. It's the tropical chart for the Perihelion Ages, and a sidereal chart for the Equinoctial Ages - especially since the Vernal Point ones don't work in a tropical chart.

I completed 4 years of engineering myself, and also set about providing a solution - as to why the sidereal Ages NEED a companion tropical Age to explain what's transpired since 400 A.D. You can check my methodology yourself, starting with the use of a 30 degree Age-window instead of a single point, to encompass the extreme length and momentum of Precessional Ages.

The "Big Question", as you put it, was answered in my first post in this thread (on page 7). The primary step involves referencing the sidereal zodiac against the constellations, using the Galactic Centre - the rest falls into place using your astrology software. This gives the start of Pisces as late 69 AD, then the start of Aquarius in 2225 AD.

All of the Ages have the same 30 degrees angular size. Internal structure for each of these Ages (i.m.o.) comes from an expansion to the concept Polarity, or at least the response to changes in polarity, that applies to all astrological sequences, including the Personal Ages and the tropical Signs. Being now 74 years old, I have experienced several age transitions along with the effects of their inner structure. (The next one is happening on 12th December of this year.) The importance of this experience comes from the fact that each twelvefold structure is one instance of a generic structure - in other words, self-similarity allows observations at one temporal scale to inform structure at every other scale. Experience using the personal ages informed my search for evidence within 'The Ages' - with excellent results. Proof of the pudding!

 

[david starling]

The "Big Question", as you put it, was answered in my first post in this thread (on page 7). The primary step involves referencing the sidereal zodiac against the constellations, using the Galactic Centre - the rest falls into place using your astrology software. This gives the start of Pisces as late 69 AD, then the start of Aquarius in 2225 AD.

All of the Ages have the same 30 degrees angular size. Internal structure for each of these Ages (i.m.o.) comes from an expansion to the concept Polarity, or at least the response to changes in polarity, that applies to all astrological sequences, including the Personal Ages and the tropical Signs. Being now 74 years old, I have experienced several age transitions along with the effects of their inner structure. (The next one is happening on 12th December of this year.) The importance of this experience comes from the fact that each twelvefold structure is one instance of a generic structure - in other words, self-similarity allows observations at one temporal scale to inform structure at every other scale. Experience using the personal ages informed my search for evidence within 'The Ages' - with excellent results. Proof of the pudding!

Is that using the Vernal Point (aka the First Point of tropical Aries) as the sidereal Age-marker, and Precession of the Equinox, which is standard operating procedure? A 2148-year, retrograding, sidereal Age?

I respect that, but just try convincing everyone else to use Sagittarius A to locate the entire sidereal zodiac! There's a lot of other methods people are using, such as the Fagan-Bradley and Vedic ayanamsas, each with its own locating star.

Have you constructed a sidereal chart based on the GC, and used it for Sun-sign, and planetary aspects? The actual siderealists use their choice of sign-boundary locations for EVERYTHING, not just astrological Ages.

 

[HMcArthur]

Hello David,

Yes, the standard format for the Ages is based on the precessing First Point of Aries as a pointer on the sidereal scale. It's getting late in the evening here in bonnie Scotland and I cannot add the images that could help to explain what I'm saying (I use bitmaps) until I convert them - tomorrow, I will get that done. Essentially, I recognise a temporal topology - the sidereal scale : the tropical scale : the house scale. The Houses are logically internal to the system of Signs, which in turn, are internal to the sidereal system. I have a neat diagram that explains a lot.

The documentation for the Swiss Ephemeris (as used/found in cruiser1's Astrolog software) describes many of the ayanamsa used in Astrology. I chose Sagittarius A* to fix the sidereal system because of its gravitational associations - all of the work I did on astrological structure points to gravity as the major source: the structure of the solar system, the line of centre pointers to the planets, the Earth radius that defines any place of interest (like the birthplace) - all down to gravity. In other words, gravity rules!

Since then I've come across no reason to change my initial decision - and plenty of evidence in support of it. As a reminder, the twelvefold structure is generic, the model of the moment as I call it, and is not based on the division of a circle - rather the angular elements arise from the composition of parts. More tomorrow.

 

[david starling]

This is a long-running thread that is still very relevant. To answer the original poster's question: We are still in the Age of Pisces and will be until 2225, two centuries from 'now'.

When doing the research on this topic, the first problem needing to be solved was the registration of the Sidereal Zodiac - how to fix the zodiac within the background of the constellations. From the work I had already done on astrological structure in general, it seemed obvious that gravity would play some part in that process. Our galaxy has a major source of gravitational effects at its centre. The Galactic Centre is home to a massive black hole which, at least intuitively, seemed to be an ideal candidate to serve as a reference point. Time, as we experience it, comes to a standstill at its event horizon - what better place to reference 'astrological time'? So, for my initial research, I chose to anchor sidereal Sagittarius at this point - not a new idea, of course.

As always, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". Using my definition, I found that the Age of Pisces began in 69 AD with Aquarius beginning in 2225 AD. To interrogate the historical evidence for age-effects required some way of partitioning each age. Long story short, this lead to a fourfold division of the ages, partitioned by 'Impulse Points' - times when novel ideas/individuals could initiate new ways of thinking and understanding.

The last of these points in Pisces, by my calculation, occurred in 1688, close to the beginning of the Enlightenment - a time I call 'The First Breathe of Aquarius', when reason began to rival belief as a source of understanding the world. Its ironic that one of the major sources of relevant informatio B.C., n for age-effects is a book by philosopher Professor Anthony Grayling, one of 'The Dawkins Gang' (as I call them) here in the UK. His book, 'The History of Philosophy', details innovations in thinking over history. This current pre-Aquarius period, when Pisces begins to give way to Aquarius, has its correlate in the pre-Pisces time. A lot happened in that period to seed ideas that would come to fruition in the coming age of Pisces. In the fifth century BC, with an impulse point around 470 BC, we saw the emergence of many 'Great Men' - Socrates, The Buddha, Confucius - all setting the scene for the coming Great Year. The next impulse point, 69 AD and the start of Pisces, saw the rise of the teachings of Christ, a time when the gospels were being written. The following point, 610 AD, saw the beginning of Islam with the dreams of Muhammad. I can't list everything here, but the evidence is extensive, including the events around peak-Pisces where we see the full force of the age manifesting.

Astrology, as a tool for 'making visible' the hidden creative force engineering Human evolution, has the potential to change the world for ever.

My tropical Ages are similar, but even better. The Age of tropical Sagittarius includes the philosophers and seers in the Middle decant , c.750 to 200 B.C. centered at about 500 B.C.; and, the Greco-Roman culture, especially, complete with Jupiter, Domicile-ruler as "King of the gods", and "Most Greek of the gods" Apollo, god of Archery. Age of the Nine Muses, when the type of astrology we use was developed.

The beginning of the "End of the Roman Empire" coincides with the ending of the tropical Age of (405 A.D ) and the rise of Christianity.

The tropical precession is based on the anomalous year of the Earth's Perihelion, and it averages 1800 seasonal years per Age. The tropical Age of Aquarius will begin in the year 2149.

 

[Opal]

I am not an engineer. Well, maybe I am, just not schooled in it. But anyways, I look for the Ages, in the written words from the past. Myths, The Bible, The Gnostics, astrological history, ancient history.

I look at what Aquarius, Uranus and Saturn represent.

Pisces, Neptune and Jupiter have been representing the Ages but, I believe that the feel in the air now is Aquarius.

Time for the page to turn. Again.

 

[david starling]

HMc, how exactly do we use Sagittarius A* to locate the measured 30° SIDEREAL SIGN in a SIDEREAL CHART?

 

[HMcArthur]

HMc, how exactly do we use Sagittarius A* to locate the measured 30° SIDEREAL SIGN in a SIDEREAL CHART?

David,
Firstly the generic model of the twelvefold system stems from the root for all I have done in Astrology, known historically by many names: The Logos, The Word and Tetragrammaton. The diagram "The Structure of Unity" shows that general root (left element) with one actual instance of it on the right. which, when expanded mathematically, produces a set of directions at intervals of 30 degrees. The set {First, Second, Third, Fourth} are the Four Principles - the principles of organisation and order - or the shape of everything. The First Principle maps to many concepts - unity, integrity, identity etc. Each instance of the root - Sidereal system,Tropical System, House System - contributes a measure of identity to 'Here and Now', which is why a Western chart combines the 'we, here and now' of the tropical system with the 'me, here and now' of the house system - the Human race of interacting individuals and the inner world of each individual. The set comprised of powers of Z, are the roots of unity of order 1 to 4, part of the Circle Group of unit vectors in the complex plane. This mapping, based on a modern interpretation of the Kabbalist 'name of God', shows how the structures of Astrology can be realised from first principles. I'll let you absorb this before I set about answering your current questions.