what age is it now

[Opal]

Cap, not sure if you saw this thread, I haven’t checked through to see if you were a contributor.

It’s my thread on “The Key of Mysteries”.

The KEY of Mysteries.

Keys are everywhere. The Vatican is one. Stonehenge is one.

I do believe it is the Key of Precession. Solstice’s and Equinox’s. Where the shadows lie, at specific times, or point to.

The Key of Mysteries

 

[Cap]

The fixed stars don't change position in either the tropical OR sidereal zodiac - however, the ENTIRE tropical zodiac does precessionally rotate through the FIXED stars, giving the illusion of stellar movement.

Yes, and the end result is that stars change their position in tropical CHART, for practical astrological purposes.

For example, tropical chart of Saturn/Mars opposition in 3067 BC, described in Mahabharata.

Note that Aldebaran was at 29 PIS 41 and Antares was at 29 VIR 47 at the time. These positions of stars IN TROPICAL CHARTS are unique for the Age of Taurus and that's how ages make their impact in tropical astrology. No need for "age marker".

 

[david starling]

The reason there ARE Ages is because of the aggregate effect of the Age-marker being in the same sign in EVERYONE'S CHART for so many Centuries. The simple fact is, the Age-marker is as powerful a placement as other "measured points", such as Nodes and Angles, because it gives a TREMENDOUS boost to the Age-ruling planet and the qualities of the Age-sign.

During the previous tropical Age of Sagittarius (c.1400 B.C. to 400 A.D.), Jupiter had the kind of power and authority now held by Saturn. We can't really know what that was like, from the prospective of this Age. According to myth, gods and spirits interacted with humans, which is something that Saturn's Age-rulership makes nearly impossible to believe. We can't even discern which versions of which myths are the correct ones.

That applies to the mysterious, Osirus-ruled tropical Age of Scorpio preceding that (c.3100 to 1400 B.C.) as well, and even more so. We're too immersed in a materialistic Earth-sign Age to even begin to really understand it.
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Individual stars have MUCH less of an impact on our Charts.

Here's an interesting situation - REGULUS was known for thousands of years as "the Heart of the Lion", but, since 2012, it's now in tropical Virgo! Has that altered its original meaning in a tropical Chart?

 

[david starling]

On a hunch, since I had read that Thomas Burgoyne "channeled" his start-year for a sidereal Age of Aquarius in 1881, I looked up his tropical Chart, and his natal MC, (like mine) WAS conjunct the Galactic Center!

 

[david starling]

One difference between having a Neptunian Age-ruler and a Saturnian Age-ruler, is that Neptunian-rulership ALLOWS for VARIOUS start-years for the Age of Pisces, whereas Saturn needs it "nailed down" somewhat for the Age of Capricorn - (although, Saturn is not especially supportive of astrological Ages in general, and prefers Modern-Scientific astronomy to anything astrological.

Notice that the tropical zodiac, which became firmly established during this Saturnian-ruled Age, IS limited to ONE setting for its sign-boundaries; and, that allows for the clearly delineated true-settings of NASA's tables of Perihelion and Aphelion in the tropical zodiac for locating the tropical Age-window.

 

[Opal]

On a hunch, since I had read that Thomas Burgoyne "channeled" his start-year for a sidereal Age of Aquarius in 1881, I looked up his tropical Chart, and his natal MC, (like mine) WAS conjunct the Galactic Center!

I haven’t looked at this in awhile. Neptune in the 1st in Pisces. Large 1st house with 3 signs involved, and 6 planets. Lots of oppositions to my natal. His MC is his best aspect to my chart.

Whether his date is right, I don’t know, but, I do think that we are in Aquarius sidereal now. But, that is in my Burgoyne thread.

 

[david starling]

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I haven’t looked at this in awhile. Neptune in the 1st in Pisces. Large 1st house with 3 signs involved, and 6 planets. Lots of oppositions to my natal. His MC is his best aspect to my chart.

Whether his date is right, I don’t know, but, I do think that we are in Aquarius sidereal now. But, that is in my Burgoyne thread.

The. Galactic Center in late was conj. his MC. Here's something about

The Galactic Center

The tropical Longitude of the G.C. is subject to Precession, 71.6 years per degree.

If I doubt Burgoyne's channeled information from the G.C., I'd have to doubt mine!

But Neptunian-rulership of the sidereal Age of allows for more than one valid start-year for the sidereal Age of . I agree that 1881 qualifies.

 

[david starling]

"Power suits" are associated with during this tropical, Saturnian-ruled Age of .


But, prefers a looser, less constrictive style, such as the ornate robes worn by powerful leaders in the Middle East, and highly respected spiritual leaders in India, during this CONCURRENT, sidereal Age of .

Power suits are mainly for hard-headed Business [Age of ] and, robes mainly involve old-time Religion [Age of ].

 

[david starling]

No sense pretending that the sidereal "Age of Pisces" in the Western World has been what it should have been, based on what we know about the sign. Of course, there's the fish-symbol license plates, and the Pope's hat.

 

[david starling]

No sense pretending that the sidereal "Age of Pisces" in the Western World has been what it should have been, based on what we know about the sign. Of course, there's the fish-symbol license plates, and the Pope's hat.

In INDIA, though, home of what's called Vedic sidereal astrology, the sidereal Age of forefront Pisces/background Aries, is easy to see. For example, UNLIKE in the Western World, astrology itself (which is ENTIRELY in keeping with Pisces), is highly respected, and is even included in the prevailing major Religion.

 

[Opal]

"Power suits" are associated with during this tropical, Saturnian-ruled Age of .


But, prefers a looser, less constrictive style, such as the ornate robes worn by powerful leaders in the Middle East, and highly respected spiritual leaders in India, during this CONCURRENT, sidereal Age of .

Power suits are mainly for hard-headed Business [Age of ] and, robes mainly involve old-time Religion [Age of ].

The robes are also worn because they are great for the climate of the area. Most of them are not ornate, just normal day wear. Probably for ages

 

[Opal]

No sense pretending that the sidereal "Age of Pisces" in the Western World has been what it should have been, based on what we know about the sign. Of course, there's the fish-symbol license plates, and the Pope's hat.

Those are of the the Piscean Age. When did the Saturna start to be worn by the Pope? Saturn is Aquarius’s traditionally.

 

[david starling]

The robes are also worn because they are great for the climate of the area. Most of them are not ornate, just normal day wear. Probably for ages

Robes are more relaxed, but they're not generally worn in the Western World, even in hot climates. Suits are necessary for business.

 

[Opal]

The. Galactic Center in late was conj. his MC. Here's something about

The Galactic Center

The tropical Longitude of the G.C. is subject to Precession, 71.6 years per degree.

If I doubt Burgoyne's channeled information from the G.C., I'd have to doubt mine!

But Neptunian-rulership of the sidereal Age of allows for more than one valid start-year for the sidereal Age of . I agree that 1881 qualifies.

Winter Solstice 1881

If this is correct, the inventions in the years following, are interesting.

World History Timeline: 19th Century, 1881 to 1890

Attitudes and global events during the ninth decade of the 19th century, described in paragraphs listed by the year.

www.fsmitha.com

 

[Opal]

Robes are more relaxed, but they're not generally worn in the Western World, even in hot climates. Suits are necessary for business.

Up here, we see them regularly. They are worn for business here now.

 

[david starling]

Those are of the the Piscean Age. When did the Saturna start to be worn by the Pope? Saturn is Aquarius’s traditionally.

What's the Saturna? I was talking about the "Dagon" hat, which supposedly symbolizes an ancient Babylonian Fish-god.

 

[david starling]

Winter Solstice 1881

If this is correct, the inventions in the years following, are interesting.

World History Timeline: 19th Century, 1881 to 1890

Attitudes and global events during the ninth decade of the 19th century, described in paragraphs listed by the year.

www.fsmitha.com

The mechanical clocks began to be invented in the 14th Century, too early for a harbinger of Saturnian rulership of sidereal Aquarius, (even if I believed that Saturn is domiciled in both Aquarius and Capricorn).

I see no reason why the tropical and sidereal Precessional Ages can't be concurrent. Some things were more Saturn/Capricorn, & some more Neptune/Pisces. The Industrial Revolution (1760 to 1840) was definitely more /, imo.

 

[david starling]

Up here, we see them regularly. They are worn for business here now.

That's just Trudy making friends with China. Does he wear robes for government Business?

No wonder Canada's having financial difficulties - gotta get with the tropical Age of , and keep wearing those Capricornian power suits!

 

[david starling]

Up here, we see them regularly. They are worn for business here now.

The RCMP are wearing ROBES?!?

That's just Trudy making friends with China. Does he wear robes for government Business?

No wonder Canada's having financial difficulties - gotta get with the tropical Age of , and keep wearing those Capricornian power suits!

Up here, we see them regularly. They are worn for business here now.

 

[HMcArthur]

This is a long-running thread that is still very relevant. To answer the original poster's question: We are still in the Age of Pisces and will be until 2225, two centuries from 'now'.

When doing the research on this topic, the first problem needing to be solved was the registration of the Sidereal Zodiac - how to fix the zodiac within the background of the constellations. From the work I had already done on astrological structure in general, it seemed obvious that gravity would play some part in that process. Our galaxy has a major source of gravitational effects at its centre. The Galactic Centre is home to a massive black hole which, at least intuitively, seemed to be an ideal candidate to serve as a reference point. Time, as we experience it, comes to a standstill at its event horizon - what better place to reference 'astrological time'? So, for my initial research, I chose to anchor sidereal Sagittarius at this point - not a new idea, of course.

As always, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". Using my definition, I found that the Age of Pisces began in 69 AD with Aquarius beginning in 2225 AD. To interrogate the historical evidence for age-effects required some way of partitioning each age. Long story short, this lead to a fourfold division of the ages, partitioned by 'Impulse Points' - times when novel ideas/individuals could initiate new ways of thinking and understanding.

The last of these points in Pisces, by my calculation, occurred in 1688, close to the beginning of the Enlightenment - a time I call 'The First Breathe of Aquarius', when reason began to rival belief as a source of understanding the world. Its ironic that one of the major sources of relevant information for age-effects is a book by philosopher Professor Anthony Grayling, one of 'The Dawkins Gang' (as I call them) here in the UK. His book, 'The History of Philosophy', details innovations in thinking over history. This current pre-Aquarius period, when Pisces begins to give way to Aquarius, has its correlate in the pre-Pisces time. A lot happened in that period to seed ideas that would come to fruition in the coming age of Pisces. In the fifth century BC, with an impulse point around 470 BC, we saw the emergence of many 'Great Men' - Socrates, The Buddha, Confucius - all setting the scene for the coming Great Year. The next impulse point, 69 AD and the start of Pisces, saw the rise of the teachings of Christ, a time when the gospels were being written. The following point, 610 AD, saw the beginning of Islam with the dreams of Muhammad. I can't list everything here, but the evidence is extensive, including the events around peak-Pisces where we see the full force of the age manifesting.

Astrology, as a tool for 'making visible' the hidden creative force engineering Human evolution, has the potential to change the world for ever.