Is the chart that Nick Campion gives for the American Presidency valid?

[Monk]

Hi John
The link below will explain more:-

The Ecliptic and Nothing Else? – Linea Van Horn

astrologeratlarge.com

 

[Monk]

The charts of both major party charts are interesting.
Although disputed, i would say that the genesis of the Republican Party was 6th July 1854 under the Oaks in Jackson.

Peek Through Time: The Republican Party celebrates its 157th anniversary with a re-enactment Under The Oaks on Wednesday

People will portray some of the convention's key players during re-enactment

www.mlive.com

Sunrise daymarker used, Alnilam, Belt of Orion also rising, graph on attachment.

 

[leomoon]

The charts of both major party charts are interesting.
Although disputed, i would say that the genesis of the Republican Party was 6th July 1854 under the Oaks in Jackson.

Peek Through Time: The Republican Party celebrates its 157th anniversary with a re-enactment Under The Oaks on Wednesday

People will portray some of the convention's key players during re-enactment

www.mlive.com

Sunrise daymarker used, Alnilam, Belt of Orion also rising, graph on attachment.
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Very interesting. I don't recall where I found this one, but I had a different date to consider:

Republican Party (e), 20 March 1854 at 16:30 , Ripon, WI (US) same year however and location is different

However, here is one reference:

Republican Party founded | March 20, 1854 | HISTORY

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national...

www.history.com

 

[Monk]

Although not date of genesis, the Democratic National Convention has its roots in Baltimore, Maryland on 26 May 1848

Democratic National Committee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Democratic National Committee

Headquarters (2024)
Founded	May 26, 1848; 176 years ago
Location	430 South Capitol Street SE, Washington, D.C., U.S.

1848 Democratic National Convention - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ancient Greek day marker used, previous sunset, the Sun sets with Alnilam and Aldebaran:-

 

[Monk]

Hi Leomoon,
I seem to have a different time, however 12 minutes later Sirius is culminating:-

https://www.astro.com/forarch/pdf/1532582350.pdf

 

[leomoon]

The Founding of the Democratic Party: note: I think in this case, I would also use 26 May 1848 although I have not tried it yet. Yet the "idea" |birth" of course was founded years before with the Jacksonian Democrats (see History below) around 1837 formally put together from a division of other hard-scramble tries.

Another idea: https://www.thoughtco.com/democratic-party-104837

Democratic Party founding (e), 13 May 1792 at 12:00 , Philadelphia, PA (US)

In essence, the Democratic Party evolved due to upheavals in the original First Party system, made up of the two original national parties: the Federalist Party and the Democratic-Republican Party.

Existing between roughly 1792 and 1824, the First Party System was characterized by a system of deferential-participant politics—the tendency of constituents of both parties to go along with the policies of elite political leaders out of sheer respect for their family pedigree, military accomplishments, prosperity, or education. In this respect, early political leaders of the First Party System might be viewed as an early-American aristocracy.

and:
in 1792, supporters of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, who favored decentralized, limited government, formed an opposition faction that would become known as the Democratic-Republicans.

The Oxford Guide to the United States Government

"The Oxford Guide to the United States Government" published on by Oxford University Press.

www.oxfordreference.com

Democratic Party

www.history.com

there was a hiatus of weakly organized personal factions until about 1828–1832, when the modern Democratic Party emerged along with its rival, the Whigs. The new Democratic Party became a coalition of farmers, city-dwelling laborers and Irish Catholics

The Democrats represented a wide range of views but shared a fundamental commitment to the Jeffersonian concept of an agrarian society. They viewed the central government as the enemy of individual liberty. The 1824 "corrupt bargain" had strengthened their suspicion of Washington politics. [...] Jacksonians feared the concentration of economic and political power. They believed that government intervention in the economy benefited special-interest groups and created corporate monopolies that favored the rich. They sought to restore the independence of the individual – the artisan and the ordinary farmer – by ending federal support of banks and corporations

 

[leomoon]

"Birth" of a Democratic Party - cont'd

Behind the party platforms, acceptance speeches of candidates, editorials, pamphlets and stump speeches, there was a widespread consensus of political values among Democrats. As a textbook coauthored by Mary Beth Norton explains:

The Democrats represented a wide range of views but shared a fundamental commitment to the Jeffersonian concept of an agrarian society.

See the symbol of the Democratic "donkey" below from 1837 -

History of the Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[leomoon]

More to think about:
The 1828 United States presidential election in New Hampshire took place between October 31 and December 2, 1828,

(Jessica Adams of Oz uses January 8th, 1828 as the birth of the Democratic Party in Portsmouth NH. ) Considering all I posted above is centered
on Andrew Jackson's appearance center stage, it seems to be so. Jackson ran in 1828 as the Democrat and the incumbent was John Quincy Adams:

John Quincy Adams - Wikipedia

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1828 United States presidential election in New Hampshire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Andrew Jackson In office
March 4, 1829 – March 4, 1837

Political party	Democratic (1828–1845)
Other political affiliations	Democratic-Republican (before 1825) Jacksonian (1825–1828)

for anyone interested:

The Democrats' Astrology Chart

The Democrats' Astrology Chart by Jessica Adams Psychic Astrologer. Find more great content like this at jessicaadams.com

www.jessicaadams.com

 

[John Thompson]

Jail cells are cleared and lawyers put on standby in crackdown amid fears of weekend of riots: Sunderland burns on fresh night of shame and Southport MP slams 'disgusting extremists hijacking grief' - but Kemi says 'we can't ignore tensions'

More than 35 rallies are planned in towns and cities across the UK, raising fears that scenes already seen this week of police being attacked and vehicles set alight could be repeated.

Jail cells cleared and lawyers on standby amid weekend of riots

More than 35 rallies are planned in towns and cities across the UK, raising fears that scenes already seen this week of police being attacked and vehicles set alight could be repeated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sunderland was granted a charter in the late 12th century and incorporated as a borough in 1634.

Southport is located within the historic county of Lancashire, and was incorporated as a municipal borough in 1866. It became a county borough independent of the administrative county of Lancashire in 1905,

Any way we can have a date for Sunderland or Southport?
Why are the riots happening, and are they linked to the Edgar chart?

All freedoms in local areas originate from Royal consent, so Edgar is always implicated in one form or another. Take a look at these two charts with the MC/ IC of Edgar implicated in both charts. Sorry, this is all I have at present.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Jail cells are cleared and lawyers put on standby in crackdown amid fears of weekend of riots: Sunderland burns on fresh night of shame and Southport MP slams 'disgusting extremists hijacking grief' - but Kemi says 'we can't ignore tensions' More than 35 rallies are planned in towns and cities across the UK, raising fears that scenes already seen this week of police being attacked and vehicles set alight could be repeated.

Jail cells cleared and lawyers on standby amid weekend of riots

More than 35 rallies are planned in towns and cities across the UK, raising fears that scenes already seen this week of police being attacked and vehicles set alight could be repeated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UK protests: Violent disorder ​

breaks out across the country​

Sunderland was granted a charter in the late 12th century and incorporated as a borough in 1634.
Southport is located within the historic county of Lancashire, and was incorporated as a municipal borough in 1866. It became a county borough independent of the administrative county of Lancashire in 1905,
Any way we can have a date for Sunderland or Southport?
Why are the riots happening, and are they linked to the Edgar chart?

Police in Hull say three police officers have been injured
and four people were arrested after a group of people attacked a hotel
which houses asylum seekers.
Crowds also gathered in cities including Nottingham
Belfast
Manchester and Liverpool
where police say there has been serious disorder

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[ElenaJ]

Jail cells cleared and lawyers on standby amid weekend of riots

More than 35 rallies are planned in towns and cities across the UK, raising fears that scenes already seen this week of police being attacked and vehicles set alight could be repeated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UK protests: Violent disorder ​

breaks out across the country​

Police in Hull say three police officers have been injured
and four people were arrested after a group of people attacked a hotel
which houses asylum seekers.
Crowds also gathered in cities including Nottingham
Belfast
Manchester and Liverpool
where police say there has been serious disorder

.

Spreading!
Rather than one town, should we look at the Edgar chart against a UK chart?
What chart would that be?

 

[John Thompson]

Spreading!
Rather than one town, should we look at the Edgar chart against a UK chart?
What chart would that be?

1801 is the main political chart. Pluto at DESC, Mars at antiscion of Moon [Edgar]. Uranus/Pluto = Mercury 1801.

 

[ElenaJ]

Thank you.
First, posting a chart for Edgar and Sunderland, which is startling.

We also saw uranus/Moon's Node in the Anne Boleyn synastry chart, although it involved the SN and here we have NN.

Algol on sun, also like the Boleyn synastry.
In this case with Pluto, and both conjunct the sun/mars Edgar conjunction.

Moon on Edgar Algol, but it is 6 degrees, a bit wide.

Also, the Nodes are reversed.

 

[John Thompson]

Thank you.
First, posting a chart for Edgar and Sunderland, which is startling.

We also saw uranus/Moon's Node in the Anne Boleyn synastry chart, although it involved the SN and here we have NN.

Algol on sun, also like the Boleyn synastry.
In this case with Pluto, and both conjunct the sun/mars Edgar conjunction.

Moon on Edgar Algol, but it is 6 degrees, a bit wide.

Also, the Nodes are reversed.


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If we have a good working chart for Royalty [ which we have proven with Edgar], and know that all 'privileges' or 'Freedoms' were granted by Royalty to all the city/towns citizens, we can expect that all are subject to the chart of Edgar. When Uranus and or Pluto play up in Edgar, is it unreasonable to expect riots? I think not.

 

[ElenaJ]

If we have a good working chart for Royalty [ which we have proven with Edgar], and know that all 'privileges' or 'Freedoms' were granted by Royalty to all the city/towns citizens, we can expect that all are subject to the chart of Edgar. When Uranus and or Pluto play up in Edgar, is it unreasonable to expect riots? I think not.

We also see mars/sun conjunct pluto, which is brutal.

Some years ago I read that pluto is related to Race.
For example, interracial marriages involve strong pluto aspects with the descendent in the partners.

So is pluto (race and transformation) relating to the riots (uranus rebellious and mars violent) involving sun (identity of the populace).

 

[ElenaJ]

If we have a good working chart for Royalty [ which we have proven with Edgar], and know that all 'privileges' or 'Freedoms' were granted by Royalty to all the city/towns citizens, we can expect that all are subject to the chart of Edgar. When Uranus and or Pluto play up in Edgar, is it unreasonable to expect riots? I think not.

So a natal of Edgar with transits should show us what is currently happening in all the cities that are rioting, all under the same umbrella.
In fact, transiting Algol and uranus are sitting on the Edgar Sun/mars/mercury/MH.

And both transiting Algol and uranus square Edgar pluto.

Moon is moving towards pluto, at which point it will enter the harsh square.

It's all there.

 

[John Thompson]

So a natal of Edgar with transits should show us what is currently happening in all the cities that are rioting, all under the same umbrella.
In fact, transiting Algol and uranus are sitting on the Edgar Sun/mars/mercury/MH.

And both transiting Algol and uranus square Edgar pluto.

Moon is moving towards pluto, at which point it will enter the harsh square.

It's all there.







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Remember what I have said previously, every time Uranus transits the Sun/Mars/MC/Mercury of Edgar problems and crisis hits Britain big time. This doesn't mean purely from foreign affairs, in fact internal conflict is always expected.

 

[leomoon]

I had not heard of Edgar before (various spellings for the family), and found this that does coincide:

The events of 973​

See also: King Edgar's council at Chester
Naismith describes the year 973 as an annus mirabilis for the English kingdom.[199] Edgar and Ælfryth were consecrated king and queen at Bath on Whit Sunday, 11 May 973. Kings were normally formally elected by their leading men and then crowned soon after their accession, but there is no record of Edgar being crowned early in his reign.[200] The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle implies that it was a first coronation. ASC A, ASC B and ASC C say "Edmund's son, bold in battle, had spent 29 years in the world when this came about, and then in the thirtieth was consecrated king."

This genealogical site gives a date of birth (see below)

Edgar I "The Peaceful", King of the English

Genealogy profile for Edgar I "The Peaceful", King of the English

www.geni.com

 

[waybread]

We also see mars/sun conjunct pluto, which is brutal.

Some years ago I read that pluto is related to Race.
For example, interracial marriages involve strong pluto aspects with the descendent in the partners.

So is pluto (race and transformation) relating to the riots (uranus rebellious and mars violent) involving sun (identity of the populace).

I wonder how would this work in a very multi-ethnic society like Brazil. The white stigma against inter-racial marriages may be historical period- and culture-dependent. In mid-20th century inter-racial marriages were outlawed in some US states. Now, most younger people wouldn't think twice about it. In 1959 Virginia sentenced a white man, Richard Loving( !) and his African American wife to jail. Thanks to their appeal, the southern "miscegenation" laws were struck down, but only in 1967 by the Supreme Court, as violating the 14th Amendment.

Of course the Old South didn't have such a problem with Black women bearing white-men's children out of wedlock, notably Founding Father and third US President Thomas Jefferson. We don't have a birth time for him, unfortunately.

Also, I suspect at some point Edgar's influence would wane in former colonies, and probably be ineffective in places that were never under English rule to begin with.

 

[John Thompson]

I had not heard of Edgar before (various spellings for the family), and found this that does coincide:

The events of 973​

See also: King Edgar's council at Chester
Naismith describes the year 973 as an annus mirabilis for the English kingdom.[199] Edgar and Ælfryth were consecrated king and queen at Bath on Whit Sunday, 11 May 973. Kings were normally formally elected by their leading men and then crowned soon after their accession, but there is no record of Edgar being crowned early in his reign.[200] The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle implies that it was a first coronation. ASC A, ASC B and ASC C say "Edmund's son, bold in battle, had spent 29 years in the world when this came about, and then in the thirtieth was consecrated king."

This genealogical site gives a date of birth (see below)

Edgar I "The Peaceful", King of the English

Genealogy profile for Edgar I "The Peaceful", King of the English

www.geni.com

leomoon. There are a very small group of British astrologers who have been forecasting the fate of British monarchy from this chart for literally centuries. It is now over a 1000 years since Edgars coronation, and yet it still produces excellent results used in the right way. I was able to say that there would be someone missing at Harry and Meghan's wedding, and it wouldn't be the Queen. I didn't know it was Meghan's father, and nor was it from this chart alone but it was done none the less, I have studied this chart for thirty odd years and if we dig deep we find it being very poignant indeed. It's great to know that people take time to verify the foundations of such charts, and from my side try to help others get a better understanding [astrologically] of the foundations of Britain and our culture that somehow makes sense. God bless.