Is the chart that Nick Campion gives for the American Presidency valid?

[waybread]

John, have any of the studies of the Edgar coronation tied it to developments in English culture? I'm struck by the proximity of Edgar's coronation to the production of Beowulf, the primary surviving Old English text. The earliest surviving manuscript's earliest dating is 975, although it might have appeared within the following half-century.

Just to come full circle to the American presidency, there is a huge subtext of English law embedded in the founding US documents and early development of American law. Given your point that in Edgar's day (and throughout much of British history) laws basically flowed through the monarch, either from him to the populace, or back through him from parliament for signature. Royal assent today may be merely a formality, but it is legally required in Canada.

The point being, that Edgar rules: not because newly-minted Americans wanted a king, which they associated with tyranny, unfair taxes, billeting of unwanted Redcoats, &c. What they did want was some basic English law.

Re: Edgar, I am starting to quite like the old fellow. Much better than Æthelred the Unready, and leading to some other interesting rulers like Æthelflæd, Lady of the Mercians. But is it Edgar or Ædgar? (After checking some of the history, just curious.)

Best wishes (In Anglo-Saxon,) Weybroed

 

[leomoon]

leomoon. There are a very small group of British astrologers who have been forecasting the fate of British monarchy from this chart for literally centuries.

That is not unlike Astrologers here in the US or perhaps Australia too John. But sometimes it's good to double check and tweak our info too.
Never hurts imo. Yet, if it works, then who cares. Agreed! At least the serious skeptic and one who would care is no longer with us to bring us down if he found such questionable data (i.e. Amazing Randi) although I always thought even he served a purpose while alive. Perhaps in England they don't have such skeptics to haunt them as we do here. As far as I know, Michael Shermer is still alive and active and debunking Astrology with his Sun Virgo and Asc in Scorpio serving him well.

Science Friction: Excerpt » Michael Shermer

Chapter One — Psychic for a Day (or How I Learned Tarot Cards, Palm Reading, Astrology, and Mediumship in 24 Hours) On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, I filmed a television show with Bill Nye in Seattle, Washington, for a new PBS science series entitled Eye on Nye. This series is an adult-oriented...

michaelshermer.com

James Randi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In his 20s, Randi posed as an astrologer, and to establish that they merely were doing simple tricks, he briefly wrote an astrological column in the Canadian tabloid Midnight under the name "Zo-ran" by simply shuffling up items from newspaper astrology columns and pasting them randomly into a column

 

[Monk]

Why was it changed, do you now?
January isn't exactly a month conducive to outdoor ceremonies!!

A look at the long, odd history of Inauguration Day

An interview with constitutional scholar Sandy Levinson about the history behind Inauguration Day and the reasons why he thinks it should be moved to an earlier date.

news.harvard.edu

 

[ElenaJ]

A look at the long, odd history of Inauguration Day

An interview with constitutional scholar Sandy Levinson about the history behind Inauguration Day and the reasons why he thinks it should be moved to an earlier date.

news.harvard.edu

Thanks for the link, the historical info is helpful.
The article itself is quite biased with numerous points that should be contested.

On January 20th the sun is just exiting Capricorn and entering Aquarius.
This year it will be conjunct Pluto, a heavy aspect that will have to be dealt with by whichever political party wins.

In the UK as well as where I am the election takes place in one day (max. 1-1/2 days) the votes are counted by morning, and the day after all the winners are in power.
However, it is only at this point here that the winners select/announce the names to fill specific positions.

The idea of having a lame duck President in theory allows time for the newly elected team to organise the incoming administration, but at the same time, the exiting President still maintains its powers and responsibilities, that may or may not be in line with those of the new government.
The Electoral College serves an important purpose, and should not be eliminated, but the dates could be modified if the inauguration date is modified.
Depending on the alternative date, the inaugural sun could be in Capricorn, Sagittarius, or even Scorpio.

The official USA election day that takes place on the first Tuesday of November is a moveable date, so the sun will not necessarily be in the same position for each election.

 

[Monk]

Spreading!
Rather than one town, should we look at the Edgar chart against a UK chart?
What chart would that be?

Hi ElenaJ
all parans for Uk charts shown below:-

ABC of Countries and Constitutions etc.

Many thanks Jup for your write up, it is very probable that the chart was made by John Dee, which is fascinating, please read below:- https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/john-dees-imperial-vision Thanks Monk :) .

www.astrologyweekly.com

 

[JUPITERASC]

Hi ElenaJ
all parans for Uk charts shown below:-

ABC of Countries and Constitutions etc.

Many thanks Jup for your write up, it is very probable that the chart was made by John Dee, which is fascinating, please read below:- https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/john-dees-imperial-vision Thanks Monk :) .

www.astrologyweekly.com

Cheers - thank you Monk

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[Monk]

The Founding of the Democratic Party: note: I think in this case, I would also use 26 May 1848 although I have not tried it yet. Yet the "idea" |birth" of course was founded years before with the Jacksonian Democrats (see History below) around 1837 formally put together from a division of other hard-scramble tries.

Another idea: https://www.thoughtco.com/democratic-party-104837

Democratic Party founding (e), 13 May 1792 at 12:00 , Philadelphia, PA (US)



and:
in 1792, supporters of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, who favored decentralized, limited government, formed an opposition faction that would become known as the Democratic-Republicans.

The Oxford Guide to the United States Government

"The Oxford Guide to the United States Government" published on by Oxford University Press.

www.oxfordreference.com

Democratic Party

www.history.com

there was a hiatus of weakly organized personal factions until about 1828–1832, when the modern Democratic Party emerged along with its rival, the Whigs. The new Democratic Party became a coalition of farmers, city-dwelling laborers and Irish Catholics

The Democrats represented a wide range of views but shared a fundamental commitment to the Jeffersonian concept of an agrarian society. They viewed the central government as the enemy of individual liberty. The 1824 "corrupt bargain" had strengthened their suspicion of Washington politics. [...] Jacksonians feared the concentration of economic and political power. They believed that government intervention in the economy benefited special-interest groups and created corporate monopolies that favored the rich. They sought to restore the independence of the individual – the artisan and the ordinary farmer – by ending federal support of banks and corporations

Interesting that you seem to like 26 May 1848 Leomoon, you did write about a pipe bomb in the Democratic building:-

The SUPPOSEDLY LONE GUNMAN Claim Is Convenient THEORY & A PLAUSIBLE Explanation

. ,

www.astrologyweekly.com

 

[JUPITERASC]

Hi Jup,
Thanks for the fanfare!!!!!!
Okay, the UK doesn't have any special days but it is an United Kingdom, so it is here that we need to investigate,

Hi Monk
so UK rebranded - changed
- is re-incarnated as "..a United Kingdom.."
is an important consideration

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[John Thompson]

John, have any of the studies of the Edgar coronation tied it to developments in English culture? I'm struck by the proximity of Edgar's coronation to the production of Beowulf, the primary surviving Old English text. The earliest surviving manuscript's earliest dating is 975, although it might have appeared within the following half-century.

Just to come full circle to the American presidency, there is a huge subtext of English law embedded in the founding US documents and early development of American law. Given your point that in Edgar's day (and throughout much of British history) laws basically flowed through the monarch, either from him to the populace, or back through him from parliament for signature. Royal assent today may be merely a formality, but it is legally required in Canada.

The point being, that Edgar rules: not because newly-minted Americans wanted a king, which they associated with tyranny, unfair taxes, billeting of unwanted Redcoats, &c. What they did want was some basic English law.

Re: Edgar, I am starting to quite like the old fellow. Much better than Æthelred the Unready, and leading to some other interesting rulers like Æthelflæd, Lady of the Mercians. But is it Edgar or Ædgar? (After checking some of the history, just curious.)

Best wishes (In Anglo-Saxon,) Weybroed

Please bear with me for a bit Waybread, time is very limited. I have some stuff which I'd like to introduce which I'm sure the American astrologers among us will enjoy and also contribute to your questions about Kamala Harris. My thoughts on Edgar and developments in English culture? Geoffrey Chaucer is often referred to as the father of English literature, but was also an astrologer [He wrote 'A Treatise on the Astrolabe']. His famous Canterbury Tales are riddled with astrology, but none is more fascinating as The Wife of Bath's tale. I'm sure he knew the Edgar chart. Please take a look at this short piece. https://el1009greatbooks.wordpress....-horoscope-reading-in-the-wife-of-baths-tale/

 

[JUPITERASC]

Thanks for the link, the historical info is helpful.
The article itself is quite biased with numerous points that should be contested.

good catch

On January 20th the sun is just exiting Capricorn and entering Aquarius. This year it will be conjunct Pluto, a heavy aspect that will have to be dealt with by whichever political party wins. In the UK as well as where I am the election takes place in one day (max. 1-1/2 days) the votes are counted by morning, and the day after all the winners are in power.
However, it is only at this point here that the winners select/announce the names to fill specific positions.

The idea of having a lame duck President in theory allows time for the newly elected team to organise the incoming administration, but at the same time, the exiting President still maintains its powers and responsibilities, that may or may not be in line with those of the new government.

The Electoral College serves an important purpose, and should not be eliminated, but the dates could be modified if the inauguration date is modified.
Depending on the alternative date, the inaugural sun could be in Capricorn, Sagittarius, or even Scorpio.

That's significant

The official USA election day that takes place on the first Tuesday of November is a moveable date, so the sun will not necessarily be in the same position for each election.

meanwhile

I will start with Ireland.

Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Quote:-
The Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927 (17 & 18 Geo. 5. c. 4) was an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that authorised the alteration of the British monarch's royal style and titles, and altered the formal name of the British Parliament and hence of the state, in recognition of most of Ireland separating from the United Kingdom as the Irish Free State. It received royal assent on 12 April 1927.[1]

so the UK since being a United Kingdom
is represented as "..a United Kingdom.." by new foundation chart

Next is Scotland

Acts of Union 1707 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I thought i would continue with 1st May 1707, which would interest you.
Obviously 1st May 1707 would be Walpurgis Night.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night
The Illuminati used this night in Symbolism:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
If it was used with the joining of Scotland to England, i don't know, but it looks suspicious.

because

But there is an adjustment to be made as England was following the Julian Calendar in 1707, and our astrology programs are following the Gregorian Calendar from 1582, England didn't change calendars till 1752.
So 11 days have to be added to 1st May, so we have to tap in 12th May, there isn't an alignment in London, but it was the last day of the Edinburgh Parliament, and here we see the Sun going down on the Scottish parliament with Alnilam, belt of Orion and Osiris star, which is very symbolic.

Obviously you are aware of nearly 300 years before there was the next Scottish Parliament, the official opening was on 1st July 1999, link below:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-48828730
However it is marked at midnight where the transfer of power came from, being London, with Alnilam on the Nadir, graph below:-

Lets look at the 1801 Acts of Union:-

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Quote below:-

History
• Acts of Union coming into force	1 January 1801

As most here are trying to align to United Kingdom dates i thought i would continue with Wales and the Statute of Rhuddlan, dated 3rd March 1284, link below:-

Statute of Rhuddlan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Quote below:-
"The statute was not an act of Parliament, but rather a royal ordinance made after careful consideration by Edward I on 3 March 1284.[8] It takes its name from Rhuddlan Castle in Denbighshire where it was first promulgated on 19 March 1284" As we go through these charts it is apparent that these hermetic practices are mostly only concerned with choosing dates that align to Sirius or Alnilam on the angles at location with the three day starts of parans.

Most astrologers have no idea that this happens with this type of electional astrology and we are left with very limiting attributes for the day in question, we have a vote with Constitutions but in this we don't, and by following my graphs collectively we all could be in a downward spiral. Ancient Greek day marker chosen for Statute of Rhuddlan being sunet previous with Alnilam culminating, graph below:- When all else with UK Joining is aligned to Sirius or Alnilam you tend to think that we are fated

King Charles isn't marked by coronation but by proclamation that happened on 10th September 2022, ancient Greek day marker was used by sunset of previous day, when Alnilam was on the Nadir, how sweet we have a symbolic Queen Isis and King Osiris on the throne, graph and link below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_accession_of_Charles_III

Camilla was crowned at actual time of alignment. Quote below:-Biography
"..British royalty, styled as the Queen consort of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms since 8 September 2022 when her husband King Charles III ascended to the throne. She was crowned alongside Charles at Westminster Abbey at 12:15 PM on 6 May 2023.."

Queen consort of the United Kingdom Camilla, horoscope for birth date 17 July 1947, born in London, with Astrodatabank biography

Horoscope and astrology data of Queen consort of the United Kingdom Camilla born on 17 July 1947 London, England, with biography

www.astro.com

To be precise i was watching, the time was 12:15:19.
It has an interesting result, 4 minutes of time = 1 degree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_and_Parliamentary_Titles_Act_1927#cite_note-1
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[ElenaJ]

Interesting that you seem to like 26 May 1848 Leomoon, you did write about a pipe bomb in the Democratic building:-

The SUPPOSEDLY LONE GUNMAN Claim Is Convenient THEORY & A PLAUSIBLE Explanation

. ,

www.astrologyweekly.com

The Democratic Party opens its Convention on August 19, the time of the super full moon.
Interesting to do a synastry with the chart of the foundation of the party.
But what date should be used?

 

[waybread]

Please bear with me for a bit Waybread, time is very limited. I have some stuff which I'd like to introduce which I'm sure the American astrologers among us will enjoy and also contribute to your questions about Kamala Harris. My thoughts on Edgar and developments in English culture? Geoffrey Chaucer is often referred to as the father of English literature, but was also an astrologer [He wrote 'A Treatise on the Astrolabe']. His famous Canterbury Tales are riddled with astrology, but none is more fascinating as The Wife of Bath's tale. I'm sure he knew the Edgar chart. Please take a look at this short piece. https://el1009greatbooks.wordpress....-horoscope-reading-in-the-wife-of-baths-tale/

No rush.

Ah, yes: "...the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne..."

 

[Monk]

I wonder if it matters who lives in the White house?
13th October was used in the construction of the White House, but is was a Saturday, so perhaps they were superstitious regarding the date DeMolay was arrested, perhaps it was symbolic of the Templar's galloping into Washington DC!
The date that construction finished was All Saints Day, connected to Halloween!

White House - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All Saints' Day - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why Friday the 13th Spelled Doom for the Knights Templar | HISTORY

The much‑feared day was the beginning of the end for the powerful warriors.

www.history.com

On 13th October 1792 construction started, midnight day marker was used at location, with Sirius rising in the East, astronomy graph below:-

 

[waybread]

JOHN -- further discussion of the Edgar chart would be great. So that we can keep this chart focused on the US presidency, would you please start a new thread on his chart's cultural (and other) ramifications? A broader topic would be fine, but this OP topic should stay focused.

THANKS.

 

[waybread]

Folks, I've gone through the last couple of pages on this thread to delete off-topic posts (including one of mine.)

We recognize that the topic is wide, but please focus on the US presidency and include some astrology.

If you think a deleted post is relevant or astrological, please reformulate and repost it. Generally brief off-topic or non-astrological posts are fine, but we can reach a point where the side conversations derail the purpose of a thread.

(She mutters something about just doing the job for which she was appointed.... )

 

[Blister]

Please, astrology only. No you tube videos, any event listings in text form only. This will be much appreciated.
Campion's chart data = 30th April 1789, 12:45 LMT, Washington, NY.View attachment 113060

The fixed angles on this chart make sense. America has never done well with wishy-washy presidents, regardless of party lines. Neptune rules 8th and Neptune in 2nd house of USA. "The American Dream." Pluto in the 6th - evolutionary developments of work force, health care and food production (for good or bad - but always profound). The nodes are interesting- North Node aspirations of Home and "Country" to be realized in 4th. 10th house South Node, "Pugilism" rules.

 

[leomoon]

Ref:
Monk said:
Interesting that you seem to like 26 May 1848 Leomoon, you did write about a pipe bomb in the Democratic building:-

Hi Monk: Actually, I'm not married to any date in particular, but suggested I'd try a few of them including this one .I try and stay flexible and open minded.
About the pipe bomb? From what I recall, the FBI was still searching for someone who put such a bomb on January 6th, so they have some idea of what he or even she walks like, but they never caught the person nor has anyone turned him/her in. The article said VP Harris was within 20 ft. of that bomb. It was found outside of the building as the building was locked for the night. I think in the backpack left behind.

I suppose we are going to have many such occurrences in this country considering the planets we' will be dealing with (see chart below for just the transits alone) Pluto opp Mars with Uranus conjunct Algol plus the fact they never did find out who planted the bomb (see photo of man or woman)
A new wanted poster says the bombs were placed between 7:30 and 8:30 p.m. on January 5, the night before the insurrection. The bombs were discovered within minutes of each other around 1 p.m. ET on January 6,

MSN

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/politics/washington-pipe-bombs-dnc-rnc/index.html

 

[ElenaJ]

Is that the date then?
I thought there was another date proposed. Just to have it correct before doing the chart.

 

[leomoon]

Is that the date then?
I thought there was another date proposed. Just to have it correct before doing the chart.

If you mean the Democratic Party, there are a few dates. The reason being the 1792 or earliest date in May a loose confederacy of men who called themselves Democratic-Republicans. The more "formal" party however, came later or 26 May 1848. In between was the so-called "Jacksonian Democrats" (see above posts) 1837 centered on Andrew Jackson who became President for 2 terms. (see link)

The History and Origin of the U.S. Democratic Party

The origins and history of the Democratic Party in the United States are based on a political upheaval in the country in the early 19th century.

www.thoughtco.com

Origins of the Democratic Party​

The Democratic Party was created in the early 1790s by former members of the Democratic-Republican Party founded by influential Anti-Federalists including Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

 

[leomoon]

ElenaJ: Are you going to try perhaps a few dates with the Pipe Bomber leaving the bomb on January 5th 2021 outside of the DNC headquarters? That's a good idea suggested by Monk. It wasn't discovered until the following day, the infamous January 6th Insurrection Day.
updated with video by FBI:
the FBI released additional surveillance videos showing the suspected bomber walking with a backpack and planting the devices between 7:40 and 8:15 p.m. on January 5th, 2021

FBI releases new video of suspect who placed pipe bombs outside RNC, DNC before Jan. 6 riot

The FBI has released new video from its investigation into the still-unidentified suspect who allegedly planted pipe bombs outside the RNC and DNC before the Jan. 6 riot.

abcnews.go.com

(Jessica Adams of Oz uses January 8th, 1828 as the birth of the Democratic Party in Portsmouth NH. ) or May 13 1792 no tob known Philadelphia Pa.

$500,000 Reward Remains in Effect for Information About Capitol Hill Pipe Bomber | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI Washington Field Office; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), Washington Field Division; the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD); and the U.S. Capitol Police Department (USCP) continue to seek the public’s assistance to identify the suspect who placed...

www.fbi.gov