In the link I posted above, it described Dark moon Lilith as being the asteroid belt which used to be a planet but it broke up. If you’re interested and that link isn’t working I could copy some of it on here for you. I’ve checked both the dark moon and osc Lilith’s and comparing the Sabian symbols for each degree. I think I was told because the Sabian symbols start at zero you count one up and use the number after what it shows on your chart? The osc Sabian symbol made a lot of sense for me personally. I do still relate to the house and sign position of dark moon though, surely they have a purpose and even can be used in relation to each other?
Thank you,
First, a note of caution, advice, you may already be aware, or maybe not.
I hope that you do know that there is a 100 word limit as to copying anything published and posting it here at the forum. It may be per post... I can't recall.
I get away with using the Sabian Symbols as Rudhyar published them because I use them for purely educational purposes and am cautious when I ever use them in any analysis of anyones natal chart. In fact I almost never do that anymore...that is give any analysis of anyone that is looking for such as I have to utilize them... there's just no other way I would do it. [so, maybe if you use that common disclaimer if you do go over 100 words, that you are doing so strictly for educational purposes. Although, as for any use as such for natal analysis, that is extremely frowned upon here at the forum. They don't want us members using someone elses interpretations. There are a number of reasons I can imagine for that and they might all actually be valid.]
As Dane spent so may years studying them, nearly 40, before He published his book on them, I'm not about to assume that I can rewrite any of his interpretations of them, as Dane was very studied in symbolism.
My clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner, even had me nix an arranged co-authorship about Sabian Symbols and Astrological Parts with a, so called, world renowned expert on the Sabian Symbols, as for the reason that person has taking that liberty them self, altering some of them as to where they then symbolized something different from that as they should.. Symbolism is a very delicate thing to mess with.
Yes, you "round up" the degree, as some put it. I explain all that in my "sticky" in this sub-forum titled "Proper Enumeration of the Degrees".
It's a common recurring problem most people have when addressing degrees and years too, for that matter. For example, when I was born it was 1953 but it was in the 20th century, not the 19th century The same thing as to the degrees of the Zodiac. They are numbered from 1 to 30 not 0 to 29, that's about the best I can do at explaining it.
I do like what you wrote about asteroids once being a planet as for the reason I believe that too. I asked my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse [as she can genuinely see, and doesn't know a thing about astrology, in fact doesn't want to know so as to remain unbiased as is possible to be at her best ability
to answer questions where-in knowledge of astrology might become a source of bias. One has to remain as "pure" and "clean" as a screen, as possible, upon which they "see" their answers.] as to whether it is true that the asteroids were once a planet, she said, "Yes". I then asked her how do we account for their influence then. She said "I see them operating like wormholes. Wormholes opening and then closing, here, and then there". My brother, whom is quite the scholar...can read and absorb a dozen books in the time it takes me to read one. He's the one that convinced me to take up the study and practice of astrology. He said He had read somewhere that the former planet was shattered by Lucifer for the purpose of confusing mankinds' psyche."
Unfortunately, He couldn't remember the source of that.
I suspect it may have been in the book "Hamlet's MIll" by George de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend but I have never been able to get very far in reading that work...way, waaaay, heavy on the brain stuff. George was professor of History of Science at MIT, and Hertha a scientist at Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität, so, if you are unfamiliar with the book, then you might get an idea of just how "thick" it is. But, then again it may not be the source of that.
But that was more than half my lifetime ago, maybe I could handle reading it now?
I did ask Clarisse if the asteroids, the former planet, should then be consider to have influence and be included in the hierarchy of House and Planetary rulerships. She said yes, and hence why I don't ascribe to the traditional beliefs regarding any of that. The planet that was , is the ruler of the Signs Sagittarius and Pisces, Jupiter then becomes the ruler of Capricorn [which is Earth Above the Earth, and as such is of the Mountains, and you know it is the Sign of the goat, seagoat, yes, but there are Mountain Goats too. and Mountains are the result of expansive earth... all very Jupiterian.] and Jupiter then rules the Sign of Aquarius, [Air Above the Earth, the Water Bearing, symbolized by an "Angel pouring succor down from Heaven"...as it is the upper atmosphere that carries the rains, and without rain there would be no other water on the earth than other than the oceans. no rivers, no lakes...and Pisces is said to rule over rivers and lakes... what it really rules is the Water Above the Earth, the rain..and is next to Aries, Fire Above the Earth, and which rules electrical fire, e.g. lightning. And Jupiter ruling Aquarius makes so much more sense than believing that Saturn does. Jupiter governs brotherhood, empathy to some degree, while Saturn is known for being otherwise...allegedly cold and stern. In truth , Saturn is impartial, it is known as Chronos to the ancient Greeks, and Chronos is the timekeeper. It is the timekeeper at any corporation, factory, etc. that keeps the timecards, watches those who clock in and out, and hands out the paychecks on payday. That is Saturn, it doles out the karma earned, or, in a sense, might dock your pay as well. Saturn then should be considered to be the higher octave of the Sun and the Moon...and I know how odd that concept may seem to be to accept but it works. Every culture that has ever existed on this earth, that I know of, uses, or used, the Sun and, or, the Moon for their purposes of timekeeping.
I have a thread titled "A Runic Explanation for the Zodiac" in this forum. In it I have classified the planets into one of three categories, each. Above the Earth, On the Earth, and Below the Earth. It gives the initial understanding, or perception, that all known science can be derived from a complete and correct understanding of the Zodiac... of which I haven't yet, nor know of anyone that does... but, I believe that it will eventually be understood once again...as it was in a time of great antiquity. I have even managed to get a few men of science backgrounds interested enough in it to have asked me for a diagram I can sketch of it...just the 12 signs in a circle, with the three divisions. I also have it that half of the Zodiac needs to be understood as being of negative polarity and the other half positive...not the alternating schematic presently being adhered to..as that makes opposite Signs of the same polarity... just as like how Tesla figured out Edison direct current generators were inherently inefficient because they are un-natural... just as how He designed his alternating current generators as because they are in accordance with nature..as He put it, in more or less, so many words. You might like to read it?
