Arabic Part of Imprisonment

[piercethevale]

The Part of Imprisonment [ Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune]
I have determined represents 'that' which we are 'kept from' by circumstances...it is a divine decree, as are all the Sabian symbols.
For my Yeshua/Jesus birth chart it is 24* Capricaorn 35'...i.e. the 25th degree of Capricorn.
[From Rudhyars' book] "(CAPRICORN 25°): A STORE FILLED WITH PRECIOUS ORIENTAL RUGS.

KEYNOTE: The use of cultural and artistic processes as means to enhance personal comfort and appreciation.

Corning after the preceding symbol this one brings us back to the material, yet esthetic, aspect of the benefits a society can bring its members. A "rug" always implied to some extent something on which a person stands or sits. It is a foundation for cultural "under-standing," and as such it can have a magical or sacred meaning, as in the case of prayer rugs. The "woman in a convent" probably knows only the bare floor, because her goal is one of transcendence, of surrendering comfort as well as cultural patterns. But to the social elite, or even to the oriental devotee praying to his god, society offers the relative comfort of beautiful rugs so he may meet the universe, not merely in terms of the support the natural soil gives, but protected by and securely established on the mental-spiritual as well as manual achievements of those who keep the cultural symbols alive.

This is the last symbol in the fifty-ninth five-fold sequence. It shows the beautiful products of dedicated and inspired group performance at the level of tradition. It emphasizes the value of RELIANCE ON TRADITION."

As we all pretty much agree that this was not the case of Yeshuas' life, mission and relying on Judaic cultural tradition as to the state it was at that time...one can see why this condition was 'kept from' Him.

 

[piercethevale]

My Part of Imprisonment is the 21st of Virgo.
[From Rudhyar]"(VIRGO 21°): A GIRL'S BASKETBALL TEAM.

KEYNOTE: Physical training as a means to inculcate the feeling of participation in a collective culture.

Basketball presents an interesting symbol. The ball must be thrown into a narrow opening high above the head of the player. The ego-consciousness (the ball) must be driven upward to a focal point or circle that is ready to receive it. In a sense, this parallels what the boy on the merry-go-round (Virgo 6°) can do if he succeeds in penetrating the ring with his stick, but there are notable differences. Here the players operate as a team; in the original formulation of the symbol there was no reference to two teams and thus to the competitive character of the game. What should be stressed here is the formation of a group acting as an organic whole and training itself to operate in a social context.

This is the first stage of a second-level sequence of five symbols, as was the symbol of the merry-go-round. A definite type of educational activity is implied with cultural, and as well emotional, overtones. It implies the training for GROUP INTEGRATION of "girls," i.e. of a type of consciousness more specifically receptive to collective forces."

As my Part of Fortune is conj my M.C. [The 'WHY' of ones chart axis by the Involutionary definition or the 'HOW" of the Evolutionary definition...and the Part of Fortune being symbolically the mst advantageous way to go about achieving the 'HOW"] is at the 25th of Leo, " A LARGE CAMEL IS SEEN CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT.

KEYNOTE: Self-sufficiency in the face of a long and exhausting adventure.
"

...and..." We need TOTAL INDEPENDENCE from our surroundings and utter SELF-RELIANCE."
One can understand why the symbolism of Virgo 21* is 'Kept from' me...
Check those Parts of Imprisonment for known public figures or which there are accurate historical accounts and you'll we see that this is very possible to be an accurate evaluation of the Part of Imprisonment....but am awaiting more examples and subsquent evaluations until I dare say it's conclusive.

 

[piercethevale]

and I'm most curious as to what Obama's Part of Imprisonment in the 19th of Pisces indicates...GEE?...what could that mean?...I wish I had a ...ahem...clue! But, as I don't really get too involved with that despicable and near worthless form of self indulgence and other such un-natural activities such as Politics...and alas ... being the simple, unassuming country boy that I am ...I'll leave that enigma, that question to those that, are by nature, predisposed to the study of such things...and I pray that they find some use of any knowledge that might be gained from it.

 

[DreamingTheSeas]

Hi piercethevale, very interesting theme even for clueless like me. It would be very interesting to see a person's chart with this Arabic Part who is in jail or captive.

 

[piercethevale]

if it is any help...and as this is in the pursuit of science...I was in jail from mid April 2003 untill August 24th [which i can clearly remember as it was my late mothers birthday]...and again on a violation of probation [I was just a bystander at an altercation...but, that is reason enough, and is so stated on the 'Terms of Release On Probation'...had to finish the 60 days remaining on the original sentence but was given an additional 12 days as I refused to cut my hair...and to which I'm still madder than Hell about...as I don't believe they had the authority to add additional time...as if I was guilty of yet another crime...and besides I am part Native American [Powhaton and Choctaw] and a practitioner of yoga since 1968 and a bonifide member of the Sadhan Order of Yoga of India...is there a 'Lawyer in the Forum....willing to help me sue them for that?]...got out on Jan 2nd 2007 ....yeah...and I got an additional 12 days to serve in time f for Xmas...and thus did 72 days that time...which I found to highly symbolic and as I made my discovery of the solution to the application of Tonality to the zodiac ...which can be reviewed at this forum on a thread titled something like 'Tonality in the Zodiac" and also at actastrology.com under my pseudonym David Mastrogiovanni in a thread ...as I had registered with my yahoo account which I opened with that name for a little more privacy, anonymity and such things of the same nature...also wrote 108 pages of my book...which was noticed by my good friend Suryakant and my content adviser and preliminary editor whom was provided by my publisher...and happens to be the [somewhat famous] author and self proclaimed disciple of St. Germain. Ms. Dorthy Leon [108 beads on a Mala...not counting the 'Guru Bead'...]
then I got arrested on false charges in 2009 due to the double crossing...punk azzways of the alleged witness and the policy of Sacramento Co., Calif and spent 5 days on unfounded and unproven charges...May 29 to June 2 [totaly false...but obviously with a motive as I was burglarized during that time and lost everything of monetary value and a few irreplaceable items of sentiment and or faith.]
There you go...if you can determine anything by that, I'd be tickled to hear it....but as I've checked all that ages ago...you won't...unless I was using the wrong ephemeris or was in a chemically induced state of being and was irresponsible for my actions...but that isn't the case either....or possibly some minor aspect to my part of imprisonment which, again, is at 20* Virgo 16'.
...oh, only two hours ago my Facebook account and Page was deleted and I was permanently disbarred from further activity or membership due to my using a pseudonym ...which is one of the most ridiculous excuses I heard...as many people I know use other than their legal name...use their nick name...an entirely false name...[and I've been using that acct. with that name for nearly two years...the coincidence and timing is most of a most suspicious nature...oh, well. FB was turning out to be a bit of a bore and for the most part a waste of time anyhow.]
But as I did make a suggestive comment regarding Mr. B.H. Obama and his Part of Imprisonment and also posted a extremely accusatory video of a talk given by fromer FBI regional director, Ted Gundersen on Satanic cults and activity in the United States and particularly in the Gov't...child sacrifices and other such heinous and despicable abominations...I may just take a wild guess ...or not...but then again...it has been a question on my mind this morning, and the possible and not entirely dismissable reality of that is still under consideration [I've already been investigated {more akin to harassment} by Homeland Security in 2008 when my computer was seized electronically and my bank acct. frozen for a number of days]...here in Kali-for-ya ...[Calif.]

 

[piercethevale]

An observation...new development.

I calculated for one of the Parts of Captivity which uses the formula Asc + Lord of the house of Saturn - Saturn
For me that comes to 22* Taurus 50'
Mercury was conj. this degree the day I was released in 2009 on the false charges as I noted in the post above...[it went direct at 22* Taurus 52' ]


there's another formula for a Part known as Captivity, Prisons and Escape therefrom. Asc. + Part of Fortune - Saturn ...for me that comes to 19* Virgo 48'...which I find very interesting as that is also known as the Hermetic Lot of Nemesis...which is still baffling me as to how it could be two things so opposite one another...I think it may have to do with something pertaining to the diff. between the 'Esoteric School of Astrology' as to the different cycles of progression through the Zodiac [one clockwise...the other counter clockwise in that I'm currently under the impression that reversing formulas... Night/Day...are only to be used when applying to one system or the other as per 'evolutionary vs involutionary' interpretations] ...as it was during my 120 days of incarceration in 2003 that I did make great advancements in understanding Astrology...as I had nothing but time and my thoughts to contend with...outside of the usual jailhouse b.s.

 

[piercethevale]

My brother began studying astrology around 182...introducing it to me in '84...in fact he sent me a copy of my birth chart and a natal chart for a woman whom is now referred to as my 'Ex'.
The following year I was in L.A for 9 mos during the whole time I stayed at my brothers apt. and got a very intensive crash course in astrology.
I one day asked my brother if I could see his chart...he told me he didn't need a natal chart as He had his memorized. I then said that I'd like to see what it looks like and for him to give me the data. He refused..and He had either took or disposed of all evidence from our moms files.
He tossed off a remark about how it was said in ancient times that if one is wise they will never divulge their birth chart as in the hands of someone that knows how...they could vex, thwart, ruin...etc a person....this went on till last month. As my sis had found a copy of his birth info that our mom had and I finally got to see his chart.
My brother is extremely intelligent...would've been his class valedictorian if not for the 'B' one couch gave Him in P.E. his last semester...'The Fix Was On'.
He took a fall semester at Glendale Jr. College right after High School but decided He wanted to make some of that "Great Money", some of use were managing to get in the building trades those years.
He struggled with jobs...it seemed that he just kept getting bad bosses, supervisors, fellow workers...all of that...in fact he had been off work two years when I arrive in L.A. the summer of 84. He was also developing a 'Health Issue' at that time...but neither of us were yet aware of that.
It was brought to his attention that he had a good chance of being legally 'permanently handicapped' if He would apply at Social Security...he applied in the late '80s and got that in either '91 or '92...

so know that you all have some background on this 'Case'...here's the crime scene...my brothers Part of Imprisonment is the same as His Part of Increase and Benefits [$$$]...no lie...
So that explains why he was so unfortunate in job after job...if he did get a job...the boss would be a flake...and He wouldn't get paid for weeks or months...sometimes not at all...it probably contributed to his overall Psycho-physical being...
So my brother was diagnosed Schiz. and Parand. with acute agoraphobia. And he moved to New Mexico at the turn of this century ...i.e. 2001 and now has 5 degrees, BS's in Organic Chemistry, Computer Science, another B.S. in something I can't recall at this moment, a B.A. in English Literature, a Masters in Teaching and is working towards 2 or 3 more...

...and, oh yeah...His Part of Sudden Advancement?...it's the 3rd degree of Aquarius.

[Dane Rudhyar]

(AQUARIUS 3°): A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY.

KEYNOTE: The individual's self-realization through a crucial repudiation of a collective status which has become unbearable.

This symbol recalls the one for Scorpio 21°, but the fact that actual "desertion" is emphasized and reference is made to "the Navy" suggests that the crisis symbolized here is one implying an irrevocable change of status. Man refuses to accept the type of cultural patterns derived from his society's specific approach to local circumstances and to the universe as a whole, and in another sense, from its particular relationship to the all-human collective Unconscious. (The Navy refers to the ocean, symbol of primordial and unconscious evolutionary forces.) He not only refuses to obey orders, he deliberately turns his back on his collective social status; he becomes an outcast, and through this decision he may definitely individualize his consciousness.

This is the third stage of the sixty-first five-fold sequence. Something with collective social value is being potentially destroyed, but nature is not the destroyer (as in the preceding symbol). Man, the individual, steps out of his bondage to collective patterns and ideals. He may thus "find himself' by means of a sharp renunciation of his social birthright, i.e. by a crucial process of DESOCIALIZATION. "


...yep, just what he did...It was about His only option

 

[Ruka_5]

Every.single. time you post. I learn. something.

Thank you.

 

[piercethevale]

Every.single. time you post. I learn. something.

Thank you.

Great...because every single time I post I wonder to myself..."Is anyone getting this...am I honestly helping anyone?'

...you made my day/week/month...refreshing and re-invigorating...Thanks!

 

[Ruka_5]

Great...because every single time I post I wonder to myself..."Is anyone getting this...am I honestly helping anyone?'

...you made my day/week/month...refreshing and re-invigorating...Thanks!

Trust me, folks are definitely paying attention, even if they don't respond. A lot of times when I don't respond it's because I'm trying to digest everything you've said and just don't know what to say lol. I'm sure there's others who do the same thing.

My Part of Imprisonment is at 6 degrees Gemini.


PHASE 66 (GEMINI 6°): WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL.

KEYNOTE: The avidity for that knowledge which ensures wealth and power.

This symbol superficially considered can be referred to the insatiable drive of modern man for power and wealth, his readiness to accept the risk of failure. But it has a deeper meaning, especially if related to the next symbol. Oil is the end result of the decay of living materials. Drilling for oil may represent the attempt to penetrate to the deep layers of the collective Unconscious and to reawaken the powers of the archaic psyche which once flourished — for instance in the true ceremonial magic of the tribal world, perhaps among the adepts of the fabled Atlantis, or even among the shamans and witch doctors of more recent times. The archaic powers may be "refined" for modern situations, but the almost inevitable result is the release of noxious waste products, "pollution." And there is a pollution of consciousness as well as of the atmosphere man breathes.

The zodiacal sign Gemini has basically the meaning of insatiable curiosity and avidity for knowledge; it is logically a "human" sign (the Twins). One of the Twins tends to seek power and knowledge from the ancient past, the other to discover a living source of strength and wisdom which is forever being replenished by the celestial downpour of Spiritual Consciousness and love (cf. the next symbol). It is man's nature, alas, to begin with potentially negative emotions and desires.

This is the first stage of the fourteenth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. It deals with the emotional and, at the present-day level of evolution, socially prized reaction of most human beings to the attainment of new forms of knowledge, i.e. AMBITION.


Here's where it gets eerie for a second; put aside all the spiritual aspects of the interpretation and take it in a strictly literal sense... there was actually oil land on my mom's side of the family and there were discussions going on about that and some sort of inheritance that ultimately fell through....if the Part of Imprisonment indicates that which is kept from us due to circumstances... .

 

[piercethevale]

Trust me, folks are definitely paying attention, even if they don't respond. A lot of times when I don't respond it's because I'm trying to digest everything you've said and just don't know what to say lol. I'm sure there's others who do the same thing.

My Part of Imprisonment is at 6 degrees Gemini.


PHASE 66 (GEMINI 6°): WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL.

KEYNOTE: The avidity for that knowledge which ensures wealth and power.

This symbol superficially considered can be referred to the insatiable drive of modern man for power and wealth, his readiness to accept the risk of failure. But it has a deeper meaning, especially if related to the next symbol. Oil is the end result of the decay of living materials. Drilling for oil may represent the attempt to penetrate to the deep layers of the collective Unconscious and to reawaken the powers of the archaic psyche which once flourished — for instance in the true ceremonial magic of the tribal world, perhaps among the adepts of the fabled Atlantis, or even among the shamans and witch doctors of more recent times. The archaic powers may be "refined" for modern situations, but the almost inevitable result is the release of noxious waste products, "pollution." And there is a pollution of consciousness as well as of the atmosphere man breathes.

The zodiacal sign Gemini has basically the meaning of insatiable curiosity and avidity for knowledge; it is logically a "human" sign (the Twins). One of the Twins tends to seek power and knowledge from the ancient past, the other to discover a living source of strength and wisdom which is forever being replenished by the celestial downpour of Spiritual Consciousness and love (cf. the next symbol). It is man's nature, alas, to begin with potentially negative emotions and desires.

This is the first stage of the fourteenth five-fold sequence of cyclic phases. It deals with the emotional and, at the present-day level of evolution, socially prized reaction of most human beings to the attainment of new forms of knowledge, i.e. AMBITION.


Here's where it gets eerie for a second; put aside all the spiritual aspects of the interpretation and take it in a strictly literal sense... there was actually oil land on my mom's side of the family and there were discussions going on about that and some sort of inheritance that ultimately fell through....if the Part of Imprisonment indicates that which is kept from us due to circumstances... .

WOW......then it was quite literal in your case...

 

[Ruka_5]

WOW......then it was quite literal in your case...

Exactly.

 

[piercethevale]

and I'm most curious as to what Obama's Part of Imprisonment in the 19th of Pisces indicates...GEE?...what could that mean?...I wish I had a ...ahem...clue! But, as I don't really get too involved with that despicable and near worthless form of self indulgence and other such un-natural activities such as Politics...and alas ... being the simple, unassuming country boy that I am ...I'll leave that enigma, that question to those that, are by nature, predisposed to the study of such things...and I pray that they find some use of any knowledge that might be gained from it.

From my country cousins back in Oklahoma:

Remember all the notices we kept getting in the past to watch Fox News
> on Sunday at 9PM?.....and yet nothing would be broadcast??? What Happened?*
>
> *This is the clip that got pulled due to pressure from the Administration.*
> *Obama put heat on Fox News to prevent Sean Hannity from airing this piece.
> **
> *
> *This is the video that Sean Hannity of FOX News has been trying to show
> that we are told has consistently been blocked by the Obama Administration.*
>
> *Watch it now before it gets pulled from the internet! *

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

 

[piercethevale]

..OH! Yeah, the uh...19th of Pisces, the location of Obama's Part of Imprisonment, for those of you wondering...
[Rudhyar]
(PISCES 19°): "A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE.

KEYNOTE: The transfer of power and knowledge which keeps the original spiritual and creative Impulse of the cycle active and undeviated.

The Hindu ideal of the sacred relationship between guru and chela (disciple) has of late become familiar to a vast number of young and not-so-young people. The doctrine of "the Apostolic succession" in the Roman Catholic Church has a similar significance. The Power and archetypal knowledge released "in the beginning" of any cycle (or at "Creation") must be perpetuated until the very Last Day — the Omega state of which Teilhard de Chardin glowingly speaks. This Power is the "self" of the cyclic manifestation, the unchanging Tone (AUM) of all existences within this cycle. It can be transmitted from master to disciple at the latter's "Initiation." It must be so transmitted for when the line of transmission (in Sanskrit, guruampara) is discontinued, the cyclic process begins to collapse in futility and spiritual darkness.

This fourth stage symbol gives us a clue to the supreme technique necessary for the continuation of all manifestations of power and spiritual understanding. The transmission is from person to person; it follows a general, unchanging pattern, yet it operates in terms of particular and individual circumstances. Keyword: INVESTITURE."

The same as the degree found for the Part of Fortune derived from the natal chart of Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth [April 2, 3 C.E. Gregorian @ 5:22:55 p.m.] and as my natal Part of Inheritance and Legacy.
Thus, I am compelled to interpret this matter pertaining to Obama that if indeed He is a Christian, as He claims to be, then he is not one that embraces the Nazarene's ministry, and how can one then consider them self to be a "Christian" if they cannot? [The "True" ministry of Yeshu'a and not "Church doctrine"]. There are other ways in which how to interpret this symbolism as being of the Part of Imprisonment for Obama, but as the question about his true religious alignment has been of much public notice and debate it immediately seemed obvious to me.



...from a FB friend of mine, today.
"The Resolute Desk was built from the timbers of the HMS Resolute and was a gift from Queen Victoria to President Rutherford B. Hayes. It is considered a national treasure and icon of the presidency.
Mr. Obama, you are not in a hut in Kenya, or public housing in Chicago.
With all due respect, get your **** feet off OUR desk!
What a disrespectful idiot."

 

[chiron]

piercethevale can you tell me what this means i sort of get what they are saying but i sort of dont. This is my part of imprisonment.

(ARIES 13°): AN UNEXPLODED BOMB REVEALS AN UNSUCCESSFUL SOCIAL PROTEST. KEYNOTE: An immature evaluation of the possibility of transforming suddenly the status quo.
The symbol pictures the result of a particular attempt to resolve the conflict between two concept-feelings of order. Resolution by violence fails because the ego-power at this stage of the process of individualization is far too strong. "The State" thwarts attempts at popular revolution, because these are premature expressions of a consciousness which is not free, but can only react "wildly" to constraint and to a central ruling power. It is thus a symbol of immature refusal to conform, in the name of an over-idealistic desire for harmony and peace.
This is the third stage of the third five-fold sequence. A negative attempt at reconciling the spiritual ideal and the very earthly reality, denying the validity of the latter. It suggests ADOLESCENT FRUSTRATION.

 

[piercethevale]

piercethevale can you tell me what this means i sort of get what they are saying but i sort of dont. This is my part of imprisonment.

(ARIES 13°): AN UNEXPLODED BOMB REVEALS AN UNSUCCESSFUL SOCIAL PROTEST. KEYNOTE: An immature evaluation of the possibility of transforming suddenly the status quo.
The symbol pictures the result of a particular attempt to resolve the conflict between two concept-feelings of order. Resolution by violence fails because the ego-power at this stage of the process of individualization is far too strong. "The State" thwarts attempts at popular revolution, because these are premature expressions of a consciousness which is not free, but can only react "wildly" to constraint and to a central ruling power. It is thus a symbol of immature refusal to conform, in the name of an over-idealistic desire for harmony and peace.
This is the third stage of the third five-fold sequence. A negative attempt at reconciling the spiritual ideal and the very earthly reality, denying the validity of the latter. It suggests ADOLESCENT FRUSTRATION.

The best I can do is try to put it in perspective of that which you are kept from being able to participte in.​

[I mentioned this a few posts back ...but I'll repost here it for convenience.]

As there is a continuous 'gestalt 'or tenor of symbolism in my natal chart indicating a 'Solo Act'. The M.C. and PoF being the 25th of Leo...the Camel making a solo journey across the desert...being self contained and equipped for it and also finding ones' own path [as, 'There are no paths in the desert'],

Well my Part of Imprisonment is 20* Virgo 04' ...the 21st degree of Virgo.
That degree is defined by Dane Rudhyar in his book on the Sabians as:

(VIRGO 21°): "A GIRL'S BASKETBALL TEAM.
KEYNOTE: Physical training as a means to inculcate the feeling of participation in a collective culture.

[in contrast to preceding symbols]...Here the players operate as a team; in the original formulation of the symbol there was no reference to two teams and thus to the competitive character of the game. What should be stressed here is the formation of a group [or "A team", Lynda Hill]acting as an organic whole and training itself to operate in a social context.

This...stage of a [new] sequence of five symbols, ... It implies the training for GROUP INTEGRATION of "girls," i.e. of a type of consciousness more specifically receptive to collective forces."
________________________________________________
..Well, as to the overall tenor of my chart symbolism I mention...the being denied of approach to becoming a part of a team of any type that would aid me in accomplishing my life dharma or 'purpose'.
I did play H.S. and College Tennis...and Doubles often, played organized Baseball and Football, was on teams in those endeavors ..but as far as my studying spirituality, yoga, learning a couple of trades [for those most part, it was 'on the job experience', I needed work I figured out quickly what was being done and learned by emulating] and especially Astrology. I started out with what my brother recommended and from there I tried and tested many techniques and theories...read the philosophies and approaches at technique of a few well known astrologers...and I kept what techniques proved true to my estimation and discarded those 'astrologers' that I had little or no success listening to.

What this symbol might mean to you is [and note: the more 'advanced you are on a spiritual path, the more the Sabian Symbol can be taken literally, ...as I have repeatedly found to be true with a number of people I know to be their 'Spiritual selfs'...[a prime example is that chart I've been 'pushing' as the one true natal chart of the Man from Nazareth.] ... in a "Procession of Evolutionary Direction", that is, reading from Virgo 30* to Libra 01* [In a Spiritual interpretation the symbols are read in reverse order...e.g. following the direction that the Moons Nodes proceed through..] the previous symbol, to your Part of Imprisonment, is the 14th of Aries and that particular degree and symbol is probably as well known to me as any other symbol and more so... As the 14th of Aries is about merging a pi-polar kind of energy in some sort of embraced relationship/partnership that is found in an, un coerced, natural attraction symbolized by the 'Original First Couple', "Adam and Eve", this symbol described by Marc Edmond Jones as: "A Bomb Which Failed To Explode Is Now Safely Concealed." I take this to mean that one has reevaluated all prior protestations of any sort of integration/conformity/active support or participation of or in groups or ideologies ...that sort of thing... ..due to the experiencing the energy, the 'precept' of that 'Perfect Togetherness' that the 14th of Aries bestowed, now one no longer has these rebelling attitudes and has had such a change of heart he or she now wishes to hide prior evidence of it...or at least not be reminded of it.
I interpret this as kind of saying you won't be able to have that resolution and peace that the precept/energy of the 13th of Aries would naturally bestow...that is a process so natural that it does occur 359 times out of 360. [As there are 360 possible degrees of the Zodiac for the Part of Imprisonment to be found in.]

Now, if you read your chart in the 'Involutionary Direction' [from Aries 01* to Pisces 30*...as is the only manner of Trad. Astrology...] then understand that it would be the result of having become experienced with Aries 12* [ibid.] "A TRIANGULARLY SHAPED FLIGHT OF WILD GEESE.
KEYNOTE: An idealistic reliance upon a mental image of universal order. .... We see arising a potential conflict between cosmic and social principles of order. The principle of COSMIC ORDER polarizes the all-too-human reliance on the social concept of law and order."


...so, in this direction of interpretation it causes a reactionary, ineffectual, response to what one now considers inferior 'Societal Systems of Order', as that exposure to a 'Divine' or 'Cosmic Order', symbolized by Aries 12*, now renders offensive, inadequate or obsolete.

Now just picture yourself from being restrained from this step in the procession of the symbols from one to the next...you 'Can't Go There'..., There's a symbol of Chiron with a 'Red Circle' around it with a red slash across it... Prison Bars are in your way... a velvet rope with a huge bouncer behind it won't let you pass...

 

[piercethevale]

I apologize for the terrible job of writing that I did yesterday in that the post above ...it was practically illegible...
I cleaned it up so as to make it understandable.
As to the 'Evolutionary' interpretation I gave above...I need to add that it may be saying that you won't be able to conceal past protestations and that you will have to deal with the consequences.

 

[serafin5]

I apologize for the terrible job of writing that I did yesterday in that the post above ...it was practically illegible...
I cleaned it up so as to make it understandable.
As to the 'Evolutionary' interpretation I gave above...I need to add that it may be saying that you won't be able to conceal past protestations and that you will have to deal
with the consequences.

Hey PTV!

NEVER let them cut your hair; let your freak flag fly!!! I calculated my part of imprisonment as 11degs Aqua but dont really know what that means.

Interesting thread as usual!
Luv ya
Serafin5

 

[piercethevale]

Hey PTV!

NEVER let them cut your hair; let your freak flag fly!!! I calculated my part of imprisonment as 11degs Aqua but dont really know what that means.

Interesting thread as usual!
Luv ya
Serafin5

Heydare...good thing I still have your chart in my database...as your reply caused a 'Flag' to pop up in my mind. [don't ask me how that works...I've just learned to go with it.] Your Part of Fortune is 11* Aquarius 25' 05" and that is the 12th degree of Aquarius... I figured that you have either mistaken your Parts or that you used the 'Night Formula' for the Part of Fortune and I don't subscribe to using the so called night formula for the PoF... [not any Part/Lot at all either...that is presently...but am 100% sure on not for the Part of Fortune]...and as the Part of Imprisonment is calculated by the formula; Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune, what you do have for the Part of Imprisonment is 08* Aquarius 13' 29"...and that is the 9th degree of Aquarius....interestingly, that is my Part of Courage if I use the birth time from my Birth Certificate...but I have recently rectified my birth time by 45 seconds of time, less...which converts to apprx. 12 minutes of a degree, less. This reduced the Asc. from 17* Scorpio 10' to 16* Scorpio 58' [conj. your natal Neptune in the 18th degree of Scorpio and conj. your Asc. in the 15th of Scorpio...and note that my 'proposed' true birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua has the North Node in the 14th of Scorpio and Neptune in the 25th of Scorpio...so, you're in 'Good Company' here...IMHO...of course. As to my rectifying my own chart...the Sabian Symbology proves it in my estimation.] and as rectified my Part of Courage now stands 07* Aquarius 52'.
Well Serrafin, this was TMI, I'm sure [and I do apologize, but I'm not doing one of those; "It's All About Me", here...]...I just want to set the record straight and 'plug' rectification through Sabian Symbology, one more time...and it won't be the last, either.
So, you have the 9th of Aquarius as your Part of Imprisonment. Let's see what the 'Sage of the Sabians', the late Dane Rudhyar, gave for the 9th degree of Aquarius.

"A FLAG IS SEEN TURNING INTO AN EAGLE.

KEYNOTE: The dynamic incorporation of new social values in individuals who exemplify the spiritual potential and greatest significance of these values.
...
...[What] is implied here is the vitalization of a powerful symbol, its embodiment in a living reality, i.e. in a person able to fly in consciousness to the highest spiritual realm. The archetype is given living substance and wings. The Image has become a Power.

This... ...symbol... ...gives us a technical suggestion. [as it is the fourth in a series of five symbols...Dane saw all 360 of these symbols in series of five, fifteen, thirty and ninety {and probably one hundred and eighty also...but I've not found a specific statement to that fact...although it is certainly indicated as by his identification of the entire process of going through all 360 degrees as two parts...the first 180 being 'involutionary' and the second 180 being 'evolutionary'. The former being in the sense that you move away from your true spiritual nature and more into the 'illusion of the material world', and the latter being that of the opposite. Also he saw the Zodiac as the pairing of 180 opposites of polarity in the Zodiac that ultimately need to be reconciled by understanding opposites as not conflict but rather as an attraction that needs to be understood and implemented.}] To "see" the new archetype, to perceive the new standard of value with one's mind is not enough. The seer must become the doer. The impersonal is dynamized and brought into focus. We have here the ACTING OUT of the vision."

I think it is pretty clear cut what this means. You're just not poster child material for 'New Ager Magazine'. Even if you could put on appearances it wouldn't go well...and as it is the Part of Imprisonment...it looks as if you won't even be asked to to make an attempt at it...no need to talk the talk or walk the walk...
Now, that doesn't make you a 'bad person'...it's just the way the Creator imagined you to be...if I may use the word, 'Imagined', here [and "Creator" too, for that matter...]. It also doesn't say that you may not admire, support or aid those that do 'Act Out The Vision'.
Look at it this way...the teacher says that you don't have to attend that class and you still get a passing grade.

 

[serafin5]

Thanks for that info PTV and all the work you put into it too. It doesnt surprise me that I dont belong to the grou of New Agers or whatever that meant. Ive always danced to the beat of my own drummer and I have had the courage to just be myself. Sounds sad but I have never been much of a band wagon hopper-onner unless you consider astrology a band wagon; not! I really liked the symbology (sp?) of the eagle too. Our Asc the Scorp Asc I know is sometimes the symbol of the eagle and I believe that God has blessed me with much understanding.

Luv ya and hope you are feelin better!
Serafin5