Should the Current Practice of Killing Animals For Food be Legally Considered as "Murder"?

[david starling]

Well, there's no disputing that innocent lives are being taken, often with great cruelty. And, there are other sources of Protein.

 

[waybread]

Would this make timber wolves and mountain lions guilty of murder?

What about traditional indigenous people whose religious beliefs and culture are built around hunting practices?

 

[david starling]

Would this make timber wolves and mountain lions guilty of murder?

What about traditional indigenous people whose religious beliefs and culture are built around hunting practices?

Good point! Those killings would allow for a "Necessity Defense".

 

[david starling]

Good point! Those killings would allow for a "Necessity Defense".

However, if dogs or wild animals prey on domesticated animals, they are currently subject to the death penalty.

 

[waybread]

David, another way to look at this, is that human beings take lives all the time.

Vegetarians take the lives of plants.

Devoting vast acreages to crops deprives wildlife of habitat.

Disease organisms are living creatures. So are insect pests.

Humans who think that eating meat is a form of murder should thereby protest war, the death penalty, and poor quality health care for vulnerable patients.

An animal dying of disease or old age does not have a pain-free death. Euthansia of pets is done to limit their suffering.

 

[John Thompson]

On a very restrictive, low histamine diet I eat meat every day; stops me going into anaphylaxis.

 

[waybread]

Stay healthy, John -- we appreciate your participation here.

 

[leomoon]

The practice of animal consumption on the earth has been since the beginning of recorded history therefore in our cells which have memory is the way I see it.

Even if we are not religious people, and I am not one who buys into religion as most do - I still think that our genetic makeup as human beings are made up from ancestors who did believe and therefore, ate food based for thousands of years on the Torah known as the Old Testament to Christians, and therefore, require meat or special foods to replace what is missing in protein diets if you are a vegetarian as my neighbors were for years and then reverted back to meat eating when they had children.

Genesis 1:29-31​

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And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

 

[david starling]

Does this mean we should be eating cats, dogs, and horses?

 

[leomoon]

Does this mean we should be eating cats, dogs, and horses?

I suppose IF it's in your family's or ancestor's history. It's not in mine. I did have photos of my Muslim family I had supported for a decade years ago after my daughter died, we joined Christian Children's Fund and picked out a photo from there of a little boy in Senegal and ended up supporting him and his family for a decade or until he grew up . It was a very nice experience for us too, kept us busy with letters and occupied.
They sent photos of their religious holidays and I had some of goats they slaughtered for the holiday, he held next to him all dressed up.
I think I only recently threw them away, but I'll look. They too are the children of Abraham I thought, but I think the Jews slaughtered rams for the holidays. (looks like I saved pics of the kids and their family but not the goat or the holiday) We bought them a stove and she baked goods and took them to the beach at Senegal to augment the income - so lots of baked goods Julius (middle child) was in Kenya,a Christian child, and all he wanted was an umbrella to walk to school! Kids are kids everywhere. All I know is giving helps us more than it helped them. When I asked what Ngagne in Senegal needed as a family,I thought, "bookpack, clothes, etc", they ended up needing on a list sent to us; a toilet(outhouse), a bed, a roof, the agency said. So we said, "get them everything"......it really wasn't that much either.

I would suppose if one were starving and had nothing else around to eat they probably would, but thats just a guess on my part. Thankfully, I've never (in this lifetime) been that hungry or desperate. We know people ate people when desperate (Donner party in the Donner Pass California)

 

[John Thompson]

I suppose IF it's in your family's or ancestor's history. It's not in mine. I did have photos of my Muslim family I had supported for a decade years ago after my daughter died, we joined Christian Children's Fund and picked out a photo from there of a little boy in Senegal and ended up supporting him and his family for a decade or until he grew up . It was a very nice experience for us too, kept us busy with letters and occupied.
They sent photos of their religious holidays and I had some of goats they slaughtered for the holiday, he held next to him all dressed up.
I think I only recently threw them away, but I'll look. They too are the children of Abraham I thought, but I think the Jews slaughtered rams for the holidays.

I would suppose if one were starving and had nothing else around to eat they probably would, but thats just a guess on my part. Thankfully, I've never (in this lifetime) been that hungry or desperate. We know people ate people when desperate (Donner party in the Donner Pass California)

Culture and food supply is everything, especially in nomadic communities.

 

[leomoon]

In 1844- 46 -

To reach California from the east, pioneers had to get their wagons over the Sierra Nevada mountain range. In 1844 the Stephens-Townsend-Murphy Party followed the Truckee River into the mountains. At the head of what is now called Donner Lake, they found a low notch in the mountains and became the first overland settlers to use the pass.[3] The pass was named after a later group of California-bound settlers. In early November 1846 the Donner Party found the route blocked by snow and was forced to spend the winter on the east side of the mountains. Of the 81 settlers, only 45 survived to reach California;[4] some of them resorting to cannibalism to survive.[5][6]

Donner Pass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I would imagine NONE would have survived otherwise ....

I suppose you do what you have to do in some cases.................Life can be very tough.

My husband told me the "chicken" I ate in Egypt was really pigeon - (tasted like chicken) Probably the same in Jordan, because in Petra it was a buffet but very very tiny "chicken" they said, but it could not have been......not that "teeny-tiny". still good.
In the service (Coast Guard) my husband had what they called "mystery meat" from the 1940s (probably horse meat)....no one knew what it was, you just ate it. They were just the rank & file (non-commissioned officer) IF you were hungry and out in the ocean, you ate what they gave you bottom line. (His father told him, during WW2 they ate Horse Meat in the Military both in Europe and elsewhere - he was stationed in England) They also had a lot of SPAM and powdered eggs.

note: 1st photo we saw of little Ngagne - we put that wide smile on his face on the other photos and it stayed for 10 yrs. I often think of him today.
I did his natal chart - it was just before President Obama ran for Office - and we told them all about him.

 

[waybread]

To me, the better question is not whether one eats animal products, but whether that animal was raised and slaughtered humanely. Beef has gotten such a bad reputation, but I think a lot of it is based on feed lots and inhumane slaughter houses. A cow that grazes in open fields under sustainable pasture management (and hay produced without undue chemical inputs) can have a pretty good life. See also Temple Grandin's work on designing humane slaughter houses. Animals can and do graze on lands unsuitable for crop cultivation.

Then we should think about packaging of our foods, which generates a lot of waste. Is it recyclable, or is it headed for the landfill? In the supermarket, frozen foods might be enticing, but how much energy is used to keep those freezers going? Vs. canned or fresh?

I am lucky to live in a small valley with an agricultural base, a local food movement, and a thriving farmers' market. I can buy a lot of my food directly from the growers. It's a smaller radius than the 100-mile diet. I can see one of my beef farmer's cows in the field.

 

[david starling]

In 1844- 46 -

To reach California from the east, pioneers had to get their wagons over the Sierra Nevada mountain range. In 1844 the Stephens-Townsend-Murphy Party followed the Truckee River into the mountains. At the head of what is now called Donner Lake, they found a low notch in the mountains and became the first overland settlers to use the pass.[3] The pass was named after a later group of California-bound settlers. In early November 1846 the Donner Party found the route blocked by snow and was forced to spend the winter on the east side of the mountains. Of the 81 settlers, only 45 survived to reach California;[4] some of them resorting to cannibalism to survive.[5][6]

Donner Pass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I would imagine NONE would have survived otherwise ....

I suppose you do what you have to do in some cases.................Life can be very tough.

My husband told me the "chicken" I ate in Egypt was really pigeon - (tasted like chicken) Probably the same in Jordan, because in Petra it was a buffet but very very tiny "chicken" they said, but it could not have been......not that "teeny-tiny". still good.
In the service (Coast Guard) my husband had what they called "mystery meat" from the 1940s (probably horse meat)....no one knew what it was, you just ate it. They were just the rank & file (non-commissioned officer) IF you were hungry and out in the ocean, you ate what they gave you bottom line. (His father told him, during WW2 they ate Horse Meat in the Military both in Europe and elsewhere - he was stationed in England) They also had a lot of SPAM and powdered eggs.

note: 1st photo we saw of little Ngagne - we put that wide smile on his face on the other photos and it stayed for 10 yrs. I often think of him today.
I did his natal chart - it was just before President Obama ran for Office - and we told them all about him.

What do they call a greyhound in Thailand?

Ans.- Fast food!

 

[waybread]

Look, new research on plant life shows it is more sentient than we had been led to believe, although their main form of communication seems to be chemical and by mycorrhizae. A carrot pulled out of the ground and eaten can show distress (for example, leaves wilting) and when eaten it's definitely a late carrot.

We tend to emphasize common food animals, while trying to eradicate harmful viruses, that are every bit as alive.

Never slap a mosquito. It wants to live.

 

[waybread]

Sorry, I don't get it. I speak senior.

 

[MoonBucket]

To me, the better question is not whether one eats animal products, but whether that animal was raised and slaughtered humanely. Beef has gotten such a bad reputation, but I think a lot of it is based on feed lots and inhumane slaughter houses. A cow that grazes in open fields under sustainable pasture management (and hay produced without undue chemical inputs) can have a pretty good life. See also Temple Grandin's work on designing humane slaughter houses. Animals can and do graze on lands unsuitable for crop cultivation.

Then we should think about packaging of our foods, which generates a lot of waste. Is it recyclable, or is it headed for the landfill? In the supermarket, frozen foods might be enticing, but how much energy is used to keep those freezers going? Vs. canned or fresh?

I am lucky to live in a small valley with an agricultural base, a local food movement, and a thriving farmers' market. I can buy a lot of my food directly from the growers. It's a smaller radius than the 100-mile diet. I can see one of my beef farmer's cows in the field.

So much self-justification.

 

[MoonBucket]

Sorry, I don't get it. I speak senior.

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[Ukpoohbear]

The moment of murder is anything but ‘humane,’ even in small, family run slaughter houses - like in this video, where the son deliberately beheaded one cow while still conscious, for the crime of trying to escape. These are not isolated incidents, when animals are treated like products and not living beings.

It’s all hush hush.

You wouldn’t want anyone to do that to your dog. You wouldn’t want anyone to do that to you. You couldn’t do it yourself. Then why is it ok to pay someone else to do it for you in private?

If you can eat healthily on a plant based diet, what is the justification, except taste pleasure?

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[MoonBucket]

[snipped rude comment ]

Let's all see the text of my comment so that others might consider whether it was really rude or not.