Ways to use AI in astrology. Let’s share prompts and reviews on choosing LLMs.

[Xeno]

Merven, thanks for your thoughtful post.

My mind is boggled.

I view AI as a double-edged sword. Every new technology seems to have this effect on society: some benefits some detriments. Television opened new worlds to viewers in the 1950s, but a big impact was that screen time replaced a lot of human interaction, and replaced it with mind-numbing trivia. Kids spent more time with the television than they did with their fathers. Now kids are glued to their cell phones; yet as a parent, it was a relief to have a faster way to reach them. On my cell phone I have information at my finger tips that used to require a trip to the library. But it can be a huge time-waster, as well. I'm not on social media, because to me, the negatives outweigh the positives. Personal GPS systems have cut down on people's ability to navigate and way-find without an electronic aid.

Pluto in Aquarius will probably show us the dark side of AI, as Aquarius and Uranus modernly rule things electronic and futuristic.

I am wondering about various cognitive biases that might affect AI astrology, as these affect astrology now.

For example, you are aware of the "garbage in, garbage out" problem of scientific research. In psychology, there's confirmation bias, where people tend to select new information as true or false based primarily on their prior beliefs. The Barnum effect is about people tending to believe individual personality interpretations, even though these could just as easily apply to millions of people.

Astrological interpretations, sadly, are often dead wrong. Will AI correct these errors, or simply repeat and reinforce them?

We still don't know why astrology works (assuming it does.) Simple physical causal models (like electromagnetism) fall apart in horary astrology. Astrology as a form of divination presupposes a spiritual metaphysics that would exclude rationalists. This is all material for another post, if not another thread, but I think if we could figure that out, AI would have more of a chance of accurate interpretations and predictions.

I suggest you replace the term divination with the term observer effect .. especially regarding horary predictions

Then it all comes down to the fact that by performing horary, we create the observer effect and influence reality in a quantum way

It is quite difficult to calculate this effect .. but in general we can say with confidence that it adds at least a few percent to its probability

I often say that horary works approximately 60 to 40 (55-60%)

And yes - the choice of horary technique does not matter ))

 

[Xeno]

Since I myself am an astrologer and a programmer, I had the idea to launch a marathon of creating astrological AI in real time

for example, start by creating a topic with the name
- Prototyping Astrological AI (phase 1) in 2 months

And every day (ideally) report on his process and listen to comments and advices from forum members

In the first phase - we need to build a knowledge/document base for AI. That is, a large number of examples of astrological interpretations that the AI will focus on. This way we can get rid of hallucinations and get a coherent text.

p.s.
There was also a zero phase - building a server and a web/application on which it would be possible to view progress and test
- But i’ve already done this, I just need to adapt it a little

 

[Xeno]

If everything can be done over the summer
And we will get at least a coherent astrological interpretation without gross errors. Technically speaking it will be RAG on top of some LLM. Then we can proceed to the next step.
- Building Astrological AI (phase 2) until the end of 2024

Here we need to start teaching our own LLM. That is, choose a small compact open source LLM model and try to clean it up and optimize it specifically for astrology... well, along the way, we can also leave related areas like numerology, etc.

It’s hard to even imagine the complexity of implementation, but “An elephant needs to be eaten in pieces”

p.s.
The third step is humanizing this AI
But perhaps this will not be necessary since the creators of LLMs themselves may have already update this themselves by then

And then all that remains is to find a way to add personal context so that the AI can give answers knowing about the user’s life circumstances. For example, he shouldn’t advise an elderly person who is currently in the hospital to take up ballet...

 

[waybread]

I suggest you replace the term divination with the term observer effect .. especially regarding horary predictions

Then it all comes down to the fact that by performing horary, we create the observer effect and influence reality in a quantum way

It is quite difficult to calculate this effect .. but in general we can say with confidence that it adds at least a few percent to its probability

I often say that horary works approximately 60 to 40 (55-60%)

And yes - the choice of horary technique does not matter ))

Actually some astrologers prefer the term divination.

For example, Geoffrey Cornelius, author of The Moment of Astrology, and this article:
https://mythcosmologysacred.com/is-astrology-divination-and-does-it-matter-by-geoffrey-cornelius/

Applying the observer effect of quantum physics to astrology is tempting, but I'm not convinced we're there yet.

My personal explanation for why astrology works (if it does) gets more at the interaction of the astrologer with the horoscope as a form of graphic non-linear communication.

Maybe I'll try to explain that.... at some point.

 

[Xeno]

Maybe I'll try to explain that.... at some point.

It would be interesting )

As for quantum effects, this is already a reality and it works. There are many assumptions that our thinking itself is quantum. Because despite our low computing power (it is difficult for us to multiply multi-digit numbers). But we have the ability to make long-range inferences, and that's exactly what quantum computers do.

 

[Outlook]

Cut and paste is always a good composition for you llm. Gives predictable results. Fits 80%.

Take the easy way out and just buy a good report database. It will satisfy the flotsam and jetsam.

Should work till your AI decides to self teach or it absorbs useless astrology **** and it all goes bananas.

 

[Outlook]

Ofcourse our thinking is quantum!

How else would i get my kids to ring me? Or get help from my dead sis? She is always planting thoughts in my head.

 

[Xeno]

Cut and paste is always a good composition for you llm. Gives predictable results. Fits 80%.

Take the easy way out and just buy a good report database. It will satisfy the flotsam and jetsam.

Should work till your AI decides to self teach or it absorbs useless astrology **** and it all goes bananas.

Oh interesting, i have many questions

Could you please clarify about purchasing a good database of reports? I have never heard that we can buy a database of astrological reports

And most importantly, what kind of reports..
Will there be synthetic interpretations of the planets that take into account both the sign and the house and aspects at the same time ?

We are talking about real astrology, right? Or are we referring to generative popular horoscopes without valid synthesis?

 

[Outlook]

Oh interesting, i have many questions

Could you please clarify about purchasing a good database of reports? I have never heard that we can buy a database of astrological reports

And most importantly, what kind of reports..
Will there be synthetic interpretations of the planets that take into account both the sign and the house and aspects at the same time ?

We are talking about real astrology, right? Or are we referring to generative popular horoscopes without valid synthesis?

Every astrology software package has them. All reports. The better the package the better the reports. Some better than others. Most allow you to edit them.

You also to infer meaning from absence…..

 

[Xeno]

now i see what you meant
actually i checked some .. .. and some texts can be used .. still there is a big lack of multifactor interpretations

Anyway thx for advice

 

[PolarianBetelguesianSoul]

Hand Casting Maps, Let's Bring that Back. Cause the AI, **** Naw, Leave that **** out of the Science. Furthest We Should Go With It, In the Name of Oranos, Is the Soft-Ware We Use Now.
Wise Expansive and Prosperous Zeus Day . Peace, Love and Gnosis Y'all #3spaceships

 

[Xeno]

Progress cannot be stopped
Cyborg astrologers and Superintelligent AI are ahead

 

[Xeno]

I spent the whole week experimenting with a relationship prompt and more or less brought it to life.

LLM Gemini 1.5 is used

results below

 

[Xeno]

It didn’t fit completely, but I inserted the most important parts into the image

The generated text is quite standard but it turned out quite coherently and the generalization is more or less ok

I'll add a life hack
in the app it is possible to enter a temporary gift code in the settings-subscription
it gives +3 generations and you can use it as much as you like

Сode = 1234

 

[Ecliptique]

I think we don't need to go for such an expansion

I mean our life span is just too short compared to the cycles of far celestial objects.
So we cannot even theoretically grasp their influence... our garden is just a solar system.

As for the time when we will leave our planet and fly to other stars, we can only speculate about this )))

And thank you for your thinking about AI .. .. Although I think that AI will easily replace most astrologers
It just needs a detailed personal context of the person and he will adapt to it and become the best psychotherapist and best friend

Simply saying there is no limit to self-learning for AI - and at some point it will become very difficult for us to distinguish AI from humans

Hello Xéno,

just a little suggestion for work: with regard to future forecasts/predictions in relation to the birth chart of the native, the AI will have to have a system for controlling the real time of birth and look for transits, to name but a few. than this forecasting technique.

Ecliptique.

 

[Xeno]

Hello Xéno,

just a little suggestion for work: with regard to future forecasts/predictions in relation to the birth chart of the native, the AI will have to have a system for controlling the real time of birth and look for transits, to name but a few. than this forecasting technique.

Ecliptique.

Thank you for the suggestion. This is precisely the question for which I haven't yet found an optimal solution. If a person requests a forecast for a specific day, or better yet, a specific hour, there are no problems. But what should I do if they ask for a forecast for a week, a month, or if their question is not related to a specific time?

As for the daily forecast, technically, this is already implemented in the Astrodiary. The generation of the daily forecast takes natal data into account, although this is not yet significantly reflected in the text. later i will post a forecast's prompt.

 

[Ecliptique]

Xeno, I don't think the problem is making forecasts/predictions, you will no doubt find a way to do so but the foundations must be solid, particularly with the time of birth. How will you be sure with AI so that you use the right approach to get to the goal? For example, will you be able to have access to planetary ephemeris, etc.?

Ecliptique.

 

[Xeno]

Xeno, I don't think the problem is making forecasts/predictions, you will no doubt find a way to do so but the foundations must be solid, particularly with the time of birth. How will you be sure with AI so that you use the right approach to get to the goal? For example, will you be able to have access to planetary ephemeris, etc.?

Ecliptique.

Well, of course, the Astrodiary has a built-in astro-processor. Therefore, calculating ephemerides is not a problem at all.

Try downloading and testing it … for astrologers and enthusiasts, it’s a super useful tool. It’s very convenient to enter all important events into your database and easily navigate through transits and progressions.

This is the part of the code where I send data to the AI to request.

 

[conspiracy theorist]

So let's revisit this. There was a previous discussion to the effect that AI might have difficulty striking an empathetic tone; communicating with a "human touch".

Let's test that. I used https://claude.ai/new

To be transparent with what I did, I fed it with this first prompt:

Whenever I give you any instruction, you will:

* Refine the instruction to improve clarity, specificity, and effectiveness.

* Create a relevant perspective to adopt for interpreting the instruction.

* Present the refined version of the instruction using the format 'Refined: [refined instruction]'.

* State the perspective you'll adopt using the format 'Perspective: [chosen perspective]'.

* Execute the refined instruction from the chosen perspective and present the result using the format 'Execution: [answer]'.
This results in more structured output, and you can see the perspective with which the LLM is answering you from.

Next I fed it my chart, which it was able to read quite handily. Next I prompted with this:

My life is over! I have been unemployed for 3 years now. Will this ever end!!? Please read my chart and tell me if things will get better.
Importantly, I also told it to answer me in a narrative format with an empathetic tone. This was its response:

Refined: Analyze the provided natal chart and construct a compassionate, hopeful narrative response addressing the individual's concerns about long-term unemployment and future prospects, while maintaining appropriate boundaries and not making definitive predictions.

Perspective: I'll approach this as an empathetic counselor with knowledge of astrological symbolism, focusing on providing emotional support and encouraging self-reflection, while being mindful not to reinforce potentially harmful beliefs or make promises about specific outcomes.

Execution: I understand you're going through an incredibly difficult time, and it's natural to feel overwhelmed and discouraged after facing unemployment for so long. While I can't predict the future or promise specific outcomes, I can share some insights based on the astrological symbolism in your chart that might offer a different perspective on your situation.

Your chart shows a strong Sagittarius influence, with both your Sun and Ascendant in this sign. Sagittarius is associated with optimism, exploration, and the ability to see the bigger picture. Even though things feel bleak right now, this suggests you have an innate capacity for hope and resilience that you can tap into. It might be helpful to reflect on times in the past when you've overcome challenges or found new opportunities in unexpected places.

The placement of Jupiter, the planet of expansion and opportunity, in your first house of self and new beginnings, hints at the potential for personal growth and new paths opening up. This doesn't mean things will magically change overnight, but it suggests that staying open to possibilities and perhaps exploring new directions could be beneficial.

Your Moon in Aquarius indicates you might have an innovative way of thinking that could be an asset in today's rapidly changing job market. Are there unconventional approaches or fields you haven't considered yet? Your unique perspective could be valuable in ways you haven't realized.

The challenges you're facing are reflected too - Saturn's position can sometimes indicate delays or obstacles. But remember, in astrology, Saturn is also associated with valuable lessons and building lasting foundations. This difficult period, as painful as it is, might be preparing you for something more stable and fulfilling in the long run.

It's crucial to remember that while astrology can offer a different lens to view your situation, your actions and choices play the most significant role in shaping your future. Have you considered reaching out for practical support, like career counseling or job search assistance programs? Sometimes, a fresh perspective from a professional can open up new avenues we hadn't considered.

Please don't give up hope. Your journey isn't over; it's just taking an unexpected route. Take care of yourself during this challenging time, and remember that your worth isn't defined by your employment status. Better days are possible, and you have the inner strength to persevere until they arrive.

How do you think this response measures up to what you would see being communicated by the good people of this forum? I would be interested in hearing your feedback.

 

[katydid]

"How do you think this response measures up to what you would see being communicated by the good people of this forum? I would be interested in hearing your feedback."

It is hard for me to be objective or unbiased because of all the turmoil and chaos that AI is creating in the lives of animators/artists and singers and voice actors. AI is creating havoc and we almost had another devastating strike in the Animation world over the way AI is taking over the available jobs. Creative artists are being shut out and someday there may not be a way to make a living that way.

Big studios are beginning to mine their backlogs of voice actors and animated videos in order to piece together commercials and cartoons using old footage and CUTTING OUT the need to pay artists and actors.

Many voice actors are hearing 'themselves' online, in streams they never participated in---because their voices have been used without their consent. My daughter is in the industry and there are various 'songs' attributed to her, that sound EXACTLY like her because they are using AI to create her voice and image. It is kind of creepy, imo. AND UNFAIR.

A lot of animators/artists are struggling now because of the pivot to AI illustrations. My husband and daughter are writers and songwriters and they are concerned about the use of AI now to create stories and songs. There will soon be another strike if the studios continue t rip off the artists and writers.

Is this really what we want? Do we want to replace our artists with AI machines? I hate the idea.

Do we want to replace Astrologers with AI interpretations? No human exchanges with the client, just a spiel rolled out with the help of algorithms , data and computers? Personally I hate it. But I am old so it doesn't really matter what I think anymore. It makes me sad for my grandkids though.