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"How do you think this response measures up to what you would see being communicated by the good people of this forum? I would be interested in hearing your feedback."

It is hard for me to be objective or unbiased because of all the turmoil and chaos that AI is creating in the lives of animators/artists and singers and voice actors. AI is creating havoc and we almost had another devastating strike in the Animation world over the way AI is taking over the available jobs. Creative artists are being shut out and someday there may not be a way to make a living that way.

Big studios are beginning to mine their backlogs of voice actors and animated videos in order to piece together commercials and cartoons using old footage and CUTTING OUT the need to pay artists and actors.

Many voice actors are hearing 'themselves' online, in streams they never participated in---because their voices have been used without their consent. My daughter is in the industry and there are various 'songs' attributed to her, that sound EXACTLY like her because they are using AI to create her voice and image. It is kind of creepy, imo. AND UNFAIR.

A lot of animators/artists are struggling now because of the pivot to AI illustrations. My husband and daughter are writers and songwriters and they are concerned about the use of AI now to create stories and songs. There will soon be another strike if the studios continue t rip off the artists and writers.

Is this really what we want? Do we want to replace our artists with AI machines? I hate the idea.

Do we want to replace Astrologers with AI interpretations? No human exchanges with the client, just a spiel rolled out with the help of algorithms , data and computers? Personally I hate it. But I am old so it doesn't really matter what I think anymore. It makes me sad for my grandkids though.
The time when AI will replace a live astrologer is not even close))
But the time when astrologers who have the skills to work with AI will replace ordinary astrologers is already on the horizon

This is the same as comparing an astrologer who has a smart calculator that gives hints and analyzes all available context in real time and without
 
So let's revisit this. There was a previous discussion to the effect that AI might have difficulty striking an empathetic tone; communicating with a "human touch".

Let's test that. I used https://claude.ai/new

To be transparent with what I did, I fed it with this first prompt:

Whenever I give you any instruction, you will:

* Refine the instruction to improve clarity, specificity, and effectiveness.

* Create a relevant perspective to adopt for interpreting the instruction.

* Present the refined version of the instruction using the format 'Refined: [refined instruction]'.

* State the perspective you'll adopt using the format 'Perspective: [chosen perspective]'.

* Execute the refined instruction from the chosen perspective and present the result using the format 'Execution: [answer]'.

This results in more structured output, and you can see the perspective with which the LLM is answering you from.

Next I fed it my chart, which it was able to read quite handily. Next I prompted with this:

My life is over! I have been unemployed for 3 years now. Will this ever end!!? Please read my chart and tell me if things will get better.
Importantly, I also told it to answer me in a narrative format with an empathetic tone. This was its response:

Refined: Analyze the provided natal chart and construct a compassionate, hopeful narrative response addressing the individual's concerns about long-term unemployment and future prospects, while maintaining appropriate boundaries and not making definitive predictions.

Perspective: I'll approach this as an empathetic counselor with knowledge of astrological symbolism, focusing on providing emotional support and encouraging self-reflection, while being mindful not to reinforce potentially harmful beliefs or make promises about specific outcomes.

Execution: I understand you're going through an incredibly difficult time, and it's natural to feel overwhelmed and discouraged after facing unemployment for so long. While I can't predict the future or promise specific outcomes, I can share some insights based on the astrological symbolism in your chart that might offer a different perspective on your situation.

Your chart shows a strong Sagittarius influence, with both your Sun and Ascendant in this sign. Sagittarius is associated with optimism, exploration, and the ability to see the bigger picture. Even though things feel bleak right now, this suggests you have an innate capacity for hope and resilience that you can tap into. It might be helpful to reflect on times in the past when you've overcome challenges or found new opportunities in unexpected places.

The placement of Jupiter, the planet of expansion and opportunity, in your first house of self and new beginnings, hints at the potential for personal growth and new paths opening up. This doesn't mean things will magically change overnight, but it suggests that staying open to possibilities and perhaps exploring new directions could be beneficial.

Your Moon in Aquarius indicates you might have an innovative way of thinking that could be an asset in today's rapidly changing job market. Are there unconventional approaches or fields you haven't considered yet? Your unique perspective could be valuable in ways you haven't realized.

The challenges you're facing are reflected too - Saturn's position can sometimes indicate delays or obstacles. But remember, in astrology, Saturn is also associated with valuable lessons and building lasting foundations. This difficult period, as painful as it is, might be preparing you for something more stable and fulfilling in the long run.

It's crucial to remember that while astrology can offer a different lens to view your situation, your actions and choices play the most significant role in shaping your future. Have you considered reaching out for practical support, like career counseling or job search assistance programs? Sometimes, a fresh perspective from a professional can open up new avenues we hadn't considered.

Please don't give up hope. Your journey isn't over; it's just taking an unexpected route. Take care of yourself during this challenging time, and remember that your worth isn't defined by your employment status. Better days are possible, and you have the inner strength to persevere until they arrive.


How do you think this response measures up to what you would see being communicated by the good people of this forum? I would be interested in hearing your feedback.
In general, AI is already capable of producing coherent text, and with hints it can even produce astrologically correct text

But we astrologers still need more, we need a step-by-step reasoning model

This is what we will probably get soon, since rumors are actively circulating about the Strawberry project from OpenAI or something similar

When we have access, we will probably be able to set up astrological algorithms for analysis and output capable of answering any question
 
The time when AI will replace a live astrologer is not even close))
But the time when astrologers who have the skills to work with AI will replace ordinary astrologers is already on the horizon

This is the same as comparing an astrologer who has a smart calculator that gives hints and analyzes all available context in real time and without
I don't think it's the same thing as using a smart calculator vs not using one.

The OP I am replying to was able to get an entire delineation of the chart printed out. No need for an astrologer at all. It sounded just like an astrologer wrote up those notes.

Using a smart calculator to print up all the aspects, transits and progressions is not the same thing at all, imo.

Why the need for AI to do the delineation?
 
I don't think it's the same thing as using a smart calculator vs not using one.

The OP I am replying to was able to get an entire delineation of the chart printed out. No need for an astrologer at all. It sounded just like an astrologer wrote up those notes.

Using a smart calculator to print up all the aspects, transits and progressions is not the same thing at all, imo.

Why the need for AI to do the delineation?
It was an analogy with calculator
I probably didn't convey my idea well)

and the comparison itself was closer to an astrologer using smth like SolarFire and an astrologer using a smart assistant that can analyze all available context
 
In general, AI is already capable of producing coherent text, and with hints it can even produce astrologically correct text

But we astrologers still need more, we need a step-by-step reasoning model

This is what we will probably get soon, since rumors are actively circulating about the Strawberry project from OpenAI or something similar

When we have access, we will probably be able to set up astrological algorithms for analysis and output capable of answering any question

with the right ingredients entry ... and the adjustment of the given birth time by the native in the “real” time of birth.

These are the important points, in my opinion.
Ecliptique. :)
 
It was an analogy with calculator
I probably didn't convey my idea well)

and the comparison itself was closer to an astrologer using smth like SolarFire and an astrologer using a smart assistant that can analyze all available context
I'm not really trying to be critical of astrologers using AI to supplement their work. I am sure most astrologers will use the apps wisely. I guess it's mostly my 8th house stellium and my Jupiter in the 12th that makes me worry that in the future, Astrology readings may become soulless drivel coming from Astro-bots instead of spiritual healers wanting to connect with their clients metaphysically, heart to heart. I wonder if Pluto in Aquarius is the forefront?

I didn't see anything in the recent example, upthread, by the '[AI astro-bot' that couldn't be easily and quickly done by a human astrologer. IMO

My criticism is really more about the way big corporations and big studios like Paramount and Disney are trying to freeze out their artists and voice actors. There will be another showdown soon when the next Union contract is negotiated. And I do think it is something all of us should be concerned about. I take art and music and performing very seriously. I think it is an extremely important human gift and it is sad to think it can be downgraded and replaced by bots.


The Animation union did get some concessions but not enough. I've seen some friends lose their jobs recently to layoffs, specifically because the unions are farming things out to AI instead of artists. So I am sensitive about it because I am invested in Animation over the years. It makes me sad to see the talented, lifelong artists being replaced.


Last summer’s writers and actors strikes persisted over several thorny issues, including streaming residuals, minimum staffing requirements and AI. This summer, SAG-AFTRA video game performers and Animation Guild workers are both fighting over one problem: AI.
Why it matters: Video game workers, who are already on strike, and animators and other craftspeople who create animation, which are threatening to do so, believe that studios’ avid interest in deploying AI technology will lead to them losing their jobs. The only way to stop the nightmare, they believe: A deal that ensures ethical AI use and protects creative work.

Animation woes: AI isn’t some distant reality for animation workers — the technology can’t quite create a Pixar movie yet, but animators worry studios will prematurely replace jobs with AI, particularly in computer graphic animation and storyboarding. The guild’s contract with the studios expires on Friday. Although talks could continue, the guild will call a strike authorization vote to its thousands of paying members if deemed necessary.

Game (not) over: SAG-AFTRA’s video game workers make up a niche sect of the union’s broad member base, but 98% of the union voted “yes” to authorize the now in-progress strike. Voiceover artists and motion-capture specialists worry that companies will create AI-powered versions of their work. Those fears are also tacked onto concerns about contraction in the industry this year, including 11,500 layoffs in 2024 alone.
 
I'm not really trying to be critical of astrologers using AI to supplement their work. I am sure most astrologers will use the apps wisely. I guess it's mostly my 8th house stellium and my Jupiter in the 12th that makes me worry that in the future, Astrology readings may become soulless drivel coming from Astro-bots instead of spiritual healers wanting to connect with their clients metaphysically, heart to heart. I wonder if Pluto in Aquarius is the forefront?

I didn't see anything in the recent example, upthread, by the '[AI astro-bot' that couldn't be easily and quickly done by a human astrologer. IMO

My criticism is really more about the way big corporations and big studios like Paramount and Disney are trying to freeze out their artists and voice actors. There will be another showdown soon when the next Union contract is negotiated. And I do think it is something all of us should be concerned about. I take art and music and performing very seriously. I think it is an extremely important human gift and it is sad to think it can be downgraded and replaced by bots.
I suppose you are more interested in the philosophical side of the issue of discussing AI in the context of its use in astrology

Perhaps there are already open topics with such a discussion in the forum

In this topic, AI is considered only as a tool useful in the work of astrologers .. automation of the construction of summary documents and interpretation templates ;)
 
"How do you think this response measures up to what you would see being communicated by the good people of this forum? I would be interested in hearing your feedback."

It is hard for me to be objective or unbiased because of all the turmoil and chaos that AI is creating in the lives of animators/artists and singers and voice actors. AI is creating havoc and we almost had another devastating strike in the Animation world over the way AI is taking over the available jobs. Creative artists are being shut out and someday there may not be a way to make a living that way.

Big studios are beginning to mine their backlogs of voice actors and animated videos in order to piece together commercials and cartoons using old footage and CUTTING OUT the need to pay artists and actors.

Many voice actors are hearing 'themselves' online, in streams they never participated in---because their voices have been used without their consent. My daughter is in the industry and there are various 'songs' attributed to her, that sound EXACTLY like her because they are using AI to create her voice and image. It is kind of creepy, imo. AND UNFAIR.

A lot of animators/artists are struggling now because of the pivot to AI illustrations. My husband and daughter are writers and songwriters and they are concerned about the use of AI now to create stories and songs. There will soon be another strike if the studios continue t rip off the artists and writers.

Is this really what we want? Do we want to replace our artists with AI machines? I hate the idea.

Do we want to replace Astrologers with AI interpretations? No human exchanges with the client, just a spiel rolled out with the help of algorithms , data and computers? Personally I hate it. But I am old so it doesn't really matter what I think anymore. It makes me sad for my grandkids though.
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So let's revisit this. There was a previous discussion to the effect that AI might have difficulty striking an empathetic tone; communicating with a "human touch".

Let's test that. I used https://claude.ai/new

To be transparent with what I did, I fed it with this first prompt:

Whenever I give you any instruction, you will:

* Refine the instruction to improve clarity, specificity, and effectiveness.

* Create a relevant perspective to adopt for interpreting the instruction.

* Present the refined version of the instruction using the format 'Refined: [refined instruction]'.

* State the perspective you'll adopt using the format 'Perspective: [chosen perspective]'.

* Execute the refined instruction from the chosen perspective and present the result using the format 'Execution: [answer]'.

This results in more structured output, and you can see the perspective with which the LLM is answering you from.

Next I fed it my chart, which it was able to read quite handily. Next I prompted with this:

My life is over! I have been unemployed for 3 years now. Will this ever end!!? Please read my chart and tell me if things will get better.
Importantly, I also told it to answer me in a narrative format with an empathetic tone. This was its response:

Refined: Analyze the provided natal chart and construct a compassionate, hopeful narrative response addressing the individual's concerns about long-term unemployment and future prospects, while maintaining appropriate boundaries and not making definitive predictions.

Perspective: I'll approach this as an empathetic counselor with knowledge of astrological symbolism, focusing on providing emotional support and encouraging self-reflection, while being mindful not to reinforce potentially harmful beliefs or make promises about specific outcomes.

Execution: I understand you're going through an incredibly difficult time, and it's natural to feel overwhelmed and discouraged after facing unemployment for so long. While I can't predict the future or promise specific outcomes, I can share some insights based on the astrological symbolism in your chart that might offer a different perspective on your situation.

Your chart shows a strong Sagittarius influence, with both your Sun and Ascendant in this sign. Sagittarius is associated with optimism, exploration, and the ability to see the bigger picture. Even though things feel bleak right now, this suggests you have an innate capacity for hope and resilience that you can tap into. It might be helpful to reflect on times in the past when you've overcome challenges or found new opportunities in unexpected places.

The placement of Jupiter, the planet of expansion and opportunity, in your first house of self and new beginnings, hints at the potential for personal growth and new paths opening up. This doesn't mean things will magically change overnight, but it suggests that staying open to possibilities and perhaps exploring new directions could be beneficial.

Your Moon in Aquarius indicates you might have an innovative way of thinking that could be an asset in today's rapidly changing job market. Are there unconventional approaches or fields you haven't considered yet? Your unique perspective could be valuable in ways you haven't realized.

The challenges you're facing are reflected too - Saturn's position can sometimes indicate delays or obstacles. But remember, in astrology, Saturn is also associated with valuable lessons and building lasting foundations. This difficult period, as painful as it is, might be preparing you for something more stable and fulfilling in the long run.

It's crucial to remember that while astrology can offer a different lens to view your situation, your actions and choices play the most significant role in shaping your future. Have you considered reaching out for practical support, like career counseling or job search assistance programs? Sometimes, a fresh perspective from a professional can open up new avenues we hadn't considered.

Please don't give up hope. Your journey isn't over; it's just taking an unexpected route. Take care of yourself during this challenging time, and remember that your worth isn't defined by your employment status. Better days are possible, and you have the inner strength to persevere until they arrive.


How do you think this response measures up to what you would see being communicated by the good people of this forum? I would be interested in hearing your feedback.
I hope you don't mind feedback: just trying to suggest what could go in your next new and improved iteration.

The reading was really interesting, in a Put On A Happy Face kind of way. Basically you got a pep talk. Which may or may not be helpful to someone who says he feels his life is over.

A lot of us learned astrology out of "cookbooks": planets-in-signs, planets-in-houses, planets-in--aspect, planets-in transit. AI can bank all of that type of information. (Alongside traditional astrology's dignities and debilities.)

What a seasoned astrologer will do next, however, is to synthesize your chart information, in a more multi-variate fashion. For example, Saturn in what sign, house, and with what aspects? If makes a big difference if Saturn opposes the sun or is tucked away somewhere less stressful, for example. If the person's been unemployed for 3 years and is deeply depressed about it, how does the chart and reading really come to grips with that issue?

If an essentially optimistic Sagittarian thinks his life is over due to unemployment, there is probably some very heavy weather in the chart somewhere.

Each planet, sign, and house has multiple rulerships that are nonetheless consistent with the core meanings. Some of us work with house cusp rulers (lords) or various sensitive points.

The moon doesn't deal with thinking (Mercury) so much as feeling: one's emotional nature, and sometimes one's mother or home. The people I've known with moon in Aquarius weren't terribly sensitive to other people's feelings, yet they did have lots of friends.

I would also try to get a sense of the person behind the chart. A birth date can tell you if you're dealing with a young or middle-aged person. Birth dates can also be learned through some "reverse engineering" of the chart via an ephemeris. I'd probably ask the person what has been his education and work experience to date. Sometimes people can switch careers in mid-life, but sometimes they cannot afford more education.

In many ways I think AI is capable of absorbing and synthesizing all of the thousands of potential data bytes. But it would need massive amounts of data to do that. And then it might need a lot of guidance on how to interpret it. Speaking of "reverse engineering," it might be good to give AI a really good horoscope interpretation together with the chart, and see if it could analyze the astrologer's style.
 
katydid --your insider perspective on creative people is appreciated.

I think a commonality with astrology-- and many other topics besides-- is one of copyright. Put differently: plagiarism.

Astrology websites have been very lax about acknowledging their sources. I catch it when the language is virtually identical from one site to the next.

There are legitimate issues about what material is in the public domain or is common knowledge, and what isn't. I don't think AI developers as a whole have paid as much attention to intellectual and creative property rights as they should.

Xeno, I hope you're keeping a bibliography of your sources somewhere!
 
@katydid

Thank you for the inside scoop on what is happening with the LA creative scene. For the longest while I was only peripherally aware (and even less interested) in the talks about how AI would be taking over jobs and making certain professions obsolete. I thought it sounded a lot like other recent technological hype waves -- Blockchain, Cryptocurrency, NFTs etc.

I decided to give it a crank this year, when some dude in a Subreddit spoke about how he used AI to create a brief. What piqued my interest was that this particular LLM provided cases that were legitimate and material to the brief he crafted. Prior to this I was aware of the lawyer who used Chatgpt to craft a error-laden brief, which resulted in professional sanctions and a major hit to his reputation. More about that from this link

So I took a look at this LLM (that being Claude) and I was instantly fascinated by it. It was powerful and time-saver for a number of assignments I had. What could take me weeks to complete could be done in hours. It has allowed me to draft articles, booklets, guides and a variety of other things efficiently. It helps me proofread and convert language from one syntax to another easily (Say American English to British English). It is a game-changer and a powerful tool. It's actually motivated me to learn more about nocode, SaaS and programming.

I would say it is a technology that professional creatives need to learn how to use, as it may greatly augment their output act as an idea generation system, or as an assistant that could aid in doing the more routine tasks. This is not to minimise the level of upheaval it has caused for these professionals, but learning about how they could use it to their advantage may put some leverage back in their hands.

@waybread

I appreciate the feedback and was looking for yours in particular. I am in general agreement with what you say about the interpretation. Claude was able to provide an astrologically plausible narrative, without much in the way of synthesis. I think it's important to bare in mind that these LLMs allow for interactivity, so the exchange would not have stopped there. Maybe my next step would be to ask it what jobs would I most be good at, then it would have been able to provide me with some suggestions. If I told it my educational attainment and financial situation I would have gotten a tailored response that could prove useful. the LLM doesn't have to meet a high standard according to seasoned astrologers or students of astrology -- just like in the real world a person would be okay if the interpretation "does the job".

Also, I think it should also be noted that the "perspective" given for the interpretation was "as an empathetic counselor with knowledge of astrological symbolism, focusing on providing emotional support and encouraging self-reflection, while being mindful not to reinforce potentially harmful beliefs or make promises about specific outcomes."

In other words, not an astrologer. I wonder if the LLM was even trained on high quality astrological interpretations -- I very much doubt it. Xeno made mention of the possibility for astrologers to train their own LLMs, and in that case you would start to see the kind of interpretations being produced based on the methodologies and the thought processes you have outlined.
 
There are legitimate issues about what material is in the public domain or is common knowledge, and what isn't. I don't think AI developers as a whole have paid as much attention to intellectual and creative property rights as they should.

Xeno, I hope you're keeping a bibliography of your sources somewhere!
Yes, this is a copyright issue with more or less modern sources

But I have a hypothesis that some authors, on the contrary, may specifically ask to train AI on their books and accordingly reflect their authorship in interpretations

To begin with, I will have to write my own templates .. I suppose to make two initial versions
1 - the standard most popular classics (there will be no problems with copyright here)
2 - personal vision in light of modern scientific knowledge
 
Xeno, it occurs to me that you might want to look at Liz Greene's computer generated astrological readings, available at Astrodienst. I think she did move beyond planets-in-signs in her delineations.
 
Xeno, it occurs to me that you might want to look at Liz Greene's computer generated astrological readings, available at Astrodienst. I think she did move beyond planets-in-signs in her delineations.
I believe it's hard to find an astrologer who hasn't read horoscopes from Astrodienst )))

They are getting better, that's a fact. The texts from Pattern are also improving. However, the general vague nature of the text remains unchanged.

This is not at all what I aspire to.
 
As much as possible, I avoid AI content. It's not "synthetic." the phrase is "stochastic parrot." Yes, people will use it to game their unfair metrics and situations, but what a dehumanizing race.
 
Yes, this is a copyright issue with more or less modern sources
Traditional original sources
e.g. Vettius Valens THE ANTHOLOGY written 2000 years ago :)
aren't subject to modern copyright issues
700 pages Pdf version:
Vettius Valens Anthologies Annotated
by Professor Mark T Riley
translated from original Ancient Greek
to English
download FOR FREE posted at his University website.
Have fun with the extended version of 700 pages

in small .Pdf file size with better tables and charts :)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/janegca/latex-valens/main/Valens-Anthologies-Annotated.pdf



.
 
I don't think Riley copyrighted his translation.
correct
Professor Mark T Riley, translator of Ancient Greek Vettius Valrns THE ANTHOLOGY
has generously posted it online for FREE DOWNLOAD :)
at his University website

- the extended version of 700 pages
in small .Pdf file size with better tables and charts :)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/janegca/latex-valens/main/Valens-Anthologies-Annotated.pdf


But it's worth noting that a particular translation, let alone a critical edition, may well be copyrighted.
perhaps
HOWEVER
the original content by Vettius Valens is not subject to copyright :)


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correct
Professor Mark T Riley, translator of Ancient Greek Vettius Valrns THE ANTHOLOGY
has generously posted it online for FREE DOWNLOAD :)
at his University website

- the extended version of 700 pages
in small .Pdf file size with better tables and charts :)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/janegca/latex-valens/main/Valens-Anthologies-Annotated.pdf


perhaps
HOWEVER
the original content by Vettius Valens is not subject to copyright :)


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It's a question of intellectual property rights, because translation work often involves a lot of judgement calls and commentary on the original texts. Vettius Valens wrote in ancient Greek, so someone would have to be fluent in that language and have access to archived manuscripts not to rely on a modern translation.

Speaking of which, I just Googled Valens and found that the Riley translation is now also in book form, edited by Chris Brennan, available through amazon. It was published in 2022 by a small press called Amor Fati, which also published Chris Brennan's Hellenistic Astrology. I couldn't determine whether the Valens book is copyrighted or not, but something from a commercial press normally would be. However, the unedited on-line Riley translation still appears to be free.

I bring this up on a thread about AI because these little publishers often operate on a shoestring, and if AI simply scoops up their work, it's really hard for them to stay in business. And AI on it's own isn't going to do the real, tough leg work of translating and editing an ancient Greek manuscript. (Actually the oldest cc of Valens are medieval, but you get the idea They're still written in ancient Greek.)

Also, for anyone interested in Hellenistic or other traditional astrologers, I don't know how particular AI is about citing its sources. If it has something to say generically about Hellenistic astrology, for example, you wouldn't know if it's from Valens or Ptolemy unless the AI text specifically says so.
 
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