piercethevale
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Greetings. I wish to do a one post thread here in this sub forum for the purpose of listing all the Astrological parts/Lots for the zero hour July 4, 1776 Philadelphia, Penn. chart of the USA.
I think it would be a good idea myself. I anticipate this particular chart for the natal of the USA to catch on and it would greatly aid everyone that wishes to use that particular chart from making mistakes in the calculations.
I made a couple/few particularly noticeable errors these last 5 months that I've been working with and analyzing the chart. It's difficult to keep all the notes I have together and collated. I imagine that a lot of the members here have some sort of the same problem at times.
If the chart is eventually found to be not the appropriate one for the birth of the nation then having this list of parts will certainly speed up that process as well.
Thus, I can't see why anyone would complain? Unless, I've chosen the wrong sub forum for this endeavor. It'll be done right here in this post eventually. I'm definitely going to list all those with the Asc. as the 'Personal Point', the 'Hermetic Lots', Part of Hyleg, Part of Destiny and a number of a few others yet to be determined.
I don't plan on writing at this or any other forums on astrology beyond this year...I've got some work for publication that I'm planning on applying all my astrological efforts for the next so many years. I will probably have a web site of my own up and running before too much longer...[which, I know I've been saying for sometime...bout time I got it going.].
[Sept. 16, 2012]
I've completed Mercury through Saturn. I've checked most of the math. I would advise double checking before using any of these. I will re-check and even triple check before I give this thread my stamp of approval, but I thought I'll post what I have at this time, today, in segments. Please be patient.
Some of these have been real 'eye-openers'...both as to the degree being of pertinence at this present time and the Sabian symbology that goes with the degree. For example, the Part of Repression [Asc. + Saturn - Pluto] is 08* Capricorn 42' 41".
Nov. 28, 2014
I wish to point out, as to the above observation from Sept. 2012, that I gave notice in another thread, here at aw forum, about the approaching date of Pluto conjuncting the Part of Repression and stated that I was apprehensive of what might transpire on that date in the Untied States and did so post that I had a hunch that there could possibly be an event staged that day that would be for the purpose of diminishing or even repealing the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, i.e. "The right to bear arms." ...and along with two more dates in the following April of 2013, the 15th and 18th, to be exact as Uranus would be conjunct the Part of Transformation and the Part of Liberty aka Part of Personal Liberty, respectively, on hose two dates.
The senseless shooting and murder of school children and a few faculty members in Sandy Hook happened that very day, Dec. 14th, 2012 and the terrorist bombing at the Boston Marathon on the following April 15th. in 2013, and the imposing of Martial Law on much of Boston occurred three days following on April 18th. In addition I have done a few timeline studies of historically notable eras since this thread was posted and, presently in as so far as to all these Astrological Parts that I have checked and do feel confident that they are properly identified and appropriately labeled, in each of those eras these Parts have shown to be notably influential by their (symbolically) given precepts to have been significant to relevant historical events and outcomes. I've done a timeline study of the Civil War and, in my humble opinion, that study alone demonstrates the validity of the U.S.A. "Zero Hour" natal chart and these Parts derived from it.
For questions about Arabic/Astrological Parts [or Lots] see my other thread in the 'Degree Symbolism' sub-forum here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39338
Many of the titles of the parts are, to me, unproven. The thread I provide a link for is an ongoing process in which I had been hoping members of the forum would contribute their findings and opinions on those Parts that are relatively obscure...but so far it's been, for the most part, a solo act. I believe these for the chart of the USA will help 'nail down' a few more titles for those obscure Parts.
Please report any errors in the math or anything else of concern to me here in this thread and I'll rectify asap.
Thanks, ptv
Sept. 22, 2012 All that was in error has been corrected, entire post then triple checked for accuracy.
Caught an error as to Part of Commerce {Asc + Mars - Sun} & corrected wrong sign from Gemini to Pisces 6/27/2014
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May 11, 2021. Everything in the natal chart of the USA, including all Astrological Parts, must be adjusted for the Sidereal precession that has taken place since july 4, 1776 @ 12:00:01 a.m. Philadelphia, Penn.
At one degree every 71.5 years [not a precise measure but what is currently acceptable as for estimations] and using 365.25 days per year, that comes to 00* 00' 00.1378471906455365" per day. as it has been 244 years 311.25 days since the birth of the nation as of today, May 11, @ 12:00:01 a.m. The current needed adjustment is + 03* 25' 27.98441560928" to any position to find the exact present point of conjunction.
As for how this conflicts with the predictions I made and noted above on Nov. 28, 2014, I initiated a thread on the matter a few years ago. I speculated that there are nefarious groups, or a group, that is using the "Zero Hour" natal chart for the USA, and has been for some time. In my opinion those were planned events for exact dates and times but they hadn't adjusted for the sidereal precession of almost 237 years at the time, just as I hadn't accounted for the same when I made those predictions. The Sabian Symbols don't change, however. What was the given symbolism for each planet, House cusp, Astrological Part, etc. at the time of birth remains as such for the life of the individual, it's only the point of conjunction that changes, and all other such aspects based on geometric relativity. But I'm presently convinced, and have been for quite some time, that Astrological Parts are only an active factor when exactly conjunct a transiting physical influence, in the same Zodiacal degree, or in either the degree preceding or following when within a one degree orb. The relevance of the Sabian Symbolism, however, is from the moment of birth and then on for the rest of the lifetime of the individual, or nation.
For those of you that don't observe Sidereal precession, just use what is listed below, as is.
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Asc. + - 
= 03* 
21' 41" ~ Part of Communication
Asc. + - 
= 29* 
10' 32" ~ Part of Faith/Trust
Asc. + - 
= 13* 46' 26" ~ Part of Art
Asc. + - 
= 25* 06' 55" ~ Part of Disputes [Innocence]
Asc. + - 
= 10* 13' 51" ~ Part of Hope [Integrity]
Asc. + - 
= 01* 
13' 05" ~ Part of Danger [Violence]
Asc. + - 
= 07* 
07' 03" ~ Part of Astrology [Eccentricity]
Asc. + - 
= 23* 35' 42" ~ Part of Gossip
Asc. + - 
= 18* 
26' 13" ~ Part of Popularity dubious[one of 3 formulas titled this..We here at this forum are of the decided opinion it should be titled other wise as] aka Part of Transformation of Others' Minds
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Asc. + - = 11* 
04' 48" ~ Part of Love/Appreciation
Asc. + - = 06* 53' 39" ~ Part of Daughters [Comfort]
Asc. + - = 29* 
12' 40" ~ Part of Treasure [Security]
Asc. + - = 03* 50' 02" ~ Part of Play [Variety]
Asc. + - = 17* 56' 58" ~ Part of Praise [Sentiment]
Asc. + - = 08* 
56' 12" ~ Part of Mans' Marriage
Asc. + - = 14* 50' 10" ~ Part of Fascination [Perversion]
Asc. + - = 01* 18' 49" ~ Part of Deceit [Vanity]
Asc. + - = 26* 09' 20" ~ Part of Influence [Popularity] {A few other members of the forum and I recently found this Part of be about 'Self Sacrifice' and rather convincingly too.}
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Asc. + - = 29* 44' 19" ~ Part of Commerce
Asc. + - = 25* 
33' 10" ~ Part of Womans' Marriage [Also called Part of Trickery' a title I'm now almost completely convinced of. ]
Asc. + - = 17* 52' 11" ~ Part of Intelligence/Skill
Asc. + - = 10* 09' 04" ~ Part of Fulfillment [I believe it to be 'Acts born out of Love']
Asc. + - = 06* 36' 29" ~ Part of Debate [Daring Action, Arrogance]
Asc. + - = 27* 
35' 43" ~ Part of Distress [sickness]
Asc. + - = 03* 29' 41" ~ Part of Surprise [?]
Asc. + - = 20* 01' 20" ~ Part of Disappointments [The formula seems to imply action taken that is based on what is imagined and thus 'ill advised action' might be a title better suggested]
Asc. + - = 14* 48' 51" ~ Part of Popularity [?] [Also known as the Part of Preparation, I think both titles are way off. This formula is about the closest thing I could imagine for a Part of War, or something along the lines of a Part of Blind Rage, Destructive Action.]
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[as I only now found out that there is a 100 per post limit on the use of images {smilies, Planetary symbols, symbols for signs etc.} Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus will be in the Post following with two more posts to follow after that to get all the most pertinent Parts listed.]
The zero hour, July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Penn. natal chart of the United States of America
I think it would be a good idea myself. I anticipate this particular chart for the natal of the USA to catch on and it would greatly aid everyone that wishes to use that particular chart from making mistakes in the calculations.
I made a couple/few particularly noticeable errors these last 5 months that I've been working with and analyzing the chart. It's difficult to keep all the notes I have together and collated. I imagine that a lot of the members here have some sort of the same problem at times.
If the chart is eventually found to be not the appropriate one for the birth of the nation then having this list of parts will certainly speed up that process as well.
Thus, I can't see why anyone would complain? Unless, I've chosen the wrong sub forum for this endeavor. It'll be done right here in this post eventually. I'm definitely going to list all those with the Asc. as the 'Personal Point', the 'Hermetic Lots', Part of Hyleg, Part of Destiny and a number of a few others yet to be determined.
I don't plan on writing at this or any other forums on astrology beyond this year...I've got some work for publication that I'm planning on applying all my astrological efforts for the next so many years. I will probably have a web site of my own up and running before too much longer...[which, I know I've been saying for sometime...bout time I got it going.].
[Sept. 16, 2012]
I've completed Mercury through Saturn. I've checked most of the math. I would advise double checking before using any of these. I will re-check and even triple check before I give this thread my stamp of approval, but I thought I'll post what I have at this time, today, in segments. Please be patient.
Some of these have been real 'eye-openers'...both as to the degree being of pertinence at this present time and the Sabian symbology that goes with the degree. For example, the Part of Repression [Asc. + Saturn - Pluto] is 08* Capricorn 42' 41".
Nov. 28, 2014
I wish to point out, as to the above observation from Sept. 2012, that I gave notice in another thread, here at aw forum, about the approaching date of Pluto conjuncting the Part of Repression and stated that I was apprehensive of what might transpire on that date in the Untied States and did so post that I had a hunch that there could possibly be an event staged that day that would be for the purpose of diminishing or even repealing the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, i.e. "The right to bear arms." ...and along with two more dates in the following April of 2013, the 15th and 18th, to be exact as Uranus would be conjunct the Part of Transformation and the Part of Liberty aka Part of Personal Liberty, respectively, on hose two dates.
The senseless shooting and murder of school children and a few faculty members in Sandy Hook happened that very day, Dec. 14th, 2012 and the terrorist bombing at the Boston Marathon on the following April 15th. in 2013, and the imposing of Martial Law on much of Boston occurred three days following on April 18th. In addition I have done a few timeline studies of historically notable eras since this thread was posted and, presently in as so far as to all these Astrological Parts that I have checked and do feel confident that they are properly identified and appropriately labeled, in each of those eras these Parts have shown to be notably influential by their (symbolically) given precepts to have been significant to relevant historical events and outcomes. I've done a timeline study of the Civil War and, in my humble opinion, that study alone demonstrates the validity of the U.S.A. "Zero Hour" natal chart and these Parts derived from it.
For questions about Arabic/Astrological Parts [or Lots] see my other thread in the 'Degree Symbolism' sub-forum here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39338
Many of the titles of the parts are, to me, unproven. The thread I provide a link for is an ongoing process in which I had been hoping members of the forum would contribute their findings and opinions on those Parts that are relatively obscure...but so far it's been, for the most part, a solo act. I believe these for the chart of the USA will help 'nail down' a few more titles for those obscure Parts.
Please report any errors in the math or anything else of concern to me here in this thread and I'll rectify asap.
Thanks, ptv
Sept. 22, 2012 All that was in error has been corrected, entire post then triple checked for accuracy.
Caught an error as to Part of Commerce {Asc + Mars - Sun} & corrected wrong sign from Gemini to Pisces 6/27/2014
_____________________________
May 11, 2021. Everything in the natal chart of the USA, including all Astrological Parts, must be adjusted for the Sidereal precession that has taken place since july 4, 1776 @ 12:00:01 a.m. Philadelphia, Penn.
At one degree every 71.5 years [not a precise measure but what is currently acceptable as for estimations] and using 365.25 days per year, that comes to 00* 00' 00.1378471906455365" per day. as it has been 244 years 311.25 days since the birth of the nation as of today, May 11, @ 12:00:01 a.m. The current needed adjustment is + 03* 25' 27.98441560928" to any position to find the exact present point of conjunction.
As for how this conflicts with the predictions I made and noted above on Nov. 28, 2014, I initiated a thread on the matter a few years ago. I speculated that there are nefarious groups, or a group, that is using the "Zero Hour" natal chart for the USA, and has been for some time. In my opinion those were planned events for exact dates and times but they hadn't adjusted for the sidereal precession of almost 237 years at the time, just as I hadn't accounted for the same when I made those predictions. The Sabian Symbols don't change, however. What was the given symbolism for each planet, House cusp, Astrological Part, etc. at the time of birth remains as such for the life of the individual, it's only the point of conjunction that changes, and all other such aspects based on geometric relativity. But I'm presently convinced, and have been for quite some time, that Astrological Parts are only an active factor when exactly conjunct a transiting physical influence, in the same Zodiacal degree, or in either the degree preceding or following when within a one degree orb. The relevance of the Sabian Symbolism, however, is from the moment of birth and then on for the rest of the lifetime of the individual, or nation.
For those of you that don't observe Sidereal precession, just use what is listed below, as is.
________________________________________________________________________
Asc. +
- = 03* 21' 41" ~ Part of CommunicationAsc. +
- = 29* 10' 32" ~ Part of Faith/TrustAsc. +
- = 13* 46' 26" ~ Part of ArtAsc. +
- = 25* 06' 55" ~ Part of Disputes [Innocence]Asc. +
- = 10* 13' 51" ~ Part of Hope [Integrity]Asc. +
- = 01* 13' 05" ~ Part of Danger [Violence]Asc. +
- = 07* 07' 03" ~ Part of Astrology [Eccentricity]Asc. +
- = 23* 35' 42" ~ Part of GossipAsc. +
- = 18* 26' 13" ~ Part of Popularity dubious[one of 3 formulas titled this..We here at this forum are of the decided opinion it should be titled other wise as] aka Part of Transformation of Others' Minds _____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Asc. +
- = 11* 04' 48" ~ Part of Love/AppreciationAsc. +
- = 06* 53' 39" ~ Part of Daughters [Comfort]Asc. +
- = 29* 12' 40" ~ Part of Treasure [Security]Asc. +
- = 03* 50' 02" ~ Part of Play [Variety]Asc. +
- = 17* 56' 58" ~ Part of Praise [Sentiment]Asc. +
- = 08* 56' 12" ~ Part of Mans' Marriage Asc. +
- = 14* 50' 10" ~ Part of Fascination [Perversion]Asc. +
- = 01* 18' 49" ~ Part of Deceit [Vanity]Asc. +
- = 26* 09' 20" ~ Part of Influence [Popularity] {A few other members of the forum and I recently found this Part of be about 'Self Sacrifice' and rather convincingly too.}_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Asc. +
- = 29* 44' 19" ~ Part of Commerce Asc. +
- = 25* 33' 10" ~ Part of Womans' Marriage [Also called Part of Trickery' a title I'm now almost completely convinced of. ]Asc. +
- = 17* 52' 11" ~ Part of Intelligence/SkillAsc. +
- = 10* 09' 04" ~ Part of Fulfillment [I believe it to be 'Acts born out of Love']Asc. +
- = 06* 36' 29" ~ Part of Debate [Daring Action, Arrogance]Asc. +
- = 27* 35' 43" ~ Part of Distress [sickness]Asc. +
- = 03* 29' 41" ~ Part of Surprise [?]Asc. +
- = 20* 01' 20" ~ Part of Disappointments [The formula seems to imply action taken that is based on what is imagined and thus 'ill advised action' might be a title better suggested]Asc. +
- = 14* 48' 51" ~ Part of Popularity [?] [Also known as the Part of Preparation, I think both titles are way off. This formula is about the closest thing I could imagine for a Part of War, or something along the lines of a Part of Blind Rage, Destructive Action.]_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
[as I only now found out that there is a 100 per post limit on the use of images {smilies, Planetary symbols, symbols for signs etc.} Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus will be in the Post following with two more posts to follow after that to get all the most pertinent Parts listed.]
The zero hour, July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Penn. natal chart of the United States of America
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04' 23" ~ Part of Delusion [Duplicity]
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