piercethevale
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The Part of Hyleg is described by author Robert Zoller in his book, "The Arabic Parts In Astrology", in Part II of his book, "The Doctrine of the Parts", in Chapter 4, "Bonatti's Treatise On the Parts", Section 4, "On The Parts Of The First house - That Is, The Ascendant - And On Their Extraction And Signification, on page 94 as follows: "We have discussed the first, second, and third parts of the first house. It remains for us to dicuss the fourth part, which is called the part of the hyleg or pars hyleg. The ancients did not care to say much regarding this part because it is so involved with other things. But none of them are able to exist without it. But this part is able to exist without them. It is to these things as matter is to form.The ancients would have been able to set forth the doctrine on this if they had so desired, but they set it aside for the reason stated above. This part is the root of the others and (here Zoller gives the formula for deriving the part from a natal chart but in a very archaic manner of speach which I will pass on posting here as it is such a stilted and confusing manner of speech that I believe it will be lost on most of the members here. It is found by the formula, Asc. + Natal Moon - the New or Full Moon, whichever was closest in time prior to the birth.) And this part is called the radix vitae (root of life) because it comprehends entirely the whole being of the native or querant or even the revolution, and if it is well disposed, it signifies universally the good "being" of the native and of other matters. However, if it is evilly disposed, it signifies the contrary of the aforesaid."
What I wrote in Italics, in the last two sentences above, I have little to no faith of belief in but I included it for those of you that would prefer the text remain intact for integrity's sake.
Zoller included a couple of footnotes asking the reader to compare what He had written to the Part of Fortune but that is because, in my opinion, Zoller didn't have a clue himself of what the Part of Hyleg represents as to its influence and or effects. I also think that the "ancients" he referred to are no more "ancient" than the astrologers of the "Dark" and "Middle" ages and as to why "the ancients did not care to say anything much regarding this part" I doubt that it was "because it was involved with other things", but rather because for the only reason that they didn't know how it was involved with other things, nor did they really know why.
In Part I "Background", Chapter I, titled, "How The Parts Were Lost", Zoller wrote that the doctrine of the so-called Arabic Parts (and He never capitalizes the word Part, or Hyleg, while I believe they should properly be) is "of considerable antiquity" but that the oldest known surviving record of them is Ptolemy's second century text, "Tetrabiblos" and that in that text He referred to the Part of Fortune as being one of the five hylegical places but also calls Ptolemy "a recorder of astrological method rather than innovator" (Innovator? It was all known of in the Golden Age of humankind and there is nothing one can be a "innovator" of)
It has no title of effect other than being the "Hyleg".
As all Parts are symbolically active the Part of Hyleg is too, but it being involved with all the others "as matter is to form" can only be identified as to what matter it is made of through the Sabian Symbol found for the Sign and degree it is located in.
That is why no one could any longer explain it, define it or even apply it to any useful purpose either for that matter, not since the knowledge of the 360 degree symbols/precepts were lost to the past, forgotten in every living mind, until astrologer Marc Edmond Jones and a clairvoyant, with a soul and conscience so crystalline as that of Elsie Wheeler, spent an afternoon in Balboa Park, San Diego in 1926 and using Ms. Elsie's wonderful gift they re-ascertained them all. The "effect of the Part of Hyleg from each natal chart is different from 359 out of 360 others and that is determined by the Sabian Symbol found for the degree of the Sign it is found to reside in.
I was suspect of the lore, that has been handed down over the centuries, stating that "one projects from either the New or Full Moon that was closest prior to birth", in that it sounds very familiar to the exceptions to the formulae to derive many of the Parts that hinge on whether the birth was at day or night and not one have I found to date to be as such. That is to say all that have been repeatedly tested to to such a number of trials that I am convinced without any doubt that diurnal (day) is the only formulae to utilize.
The late, twentieth century, master astrologer, authoritarian and definitive word on the Sabian Symbols, the incomparable Dane Rudhyar wrote quite a bit on the cycles of the New Moons and most pointedly called attention to the event of the New Moon as being the inception of a new cycle within life. That first ephemeral moment when the Moon moves on from the conjunction with the Sun being as like the very first spark of awareness of being as light is reflected upon its surface just as if it were a newly born babe receiving the first light of consciousness from the divine source. From there to the Full Moon being an "involutionary" phase whereas what is within that consciousness is incorporated into matter and then from the Full Moon through the waning phase of the Moon that which was created in the involution then goes through a "devolutionary" phase and is dissolved and all awaits the next New Moon event when the process repeats ad infinitum.
Rudhyar did emphasize that the Full Moon offers the opportunity to be as like a stepping stone to a higher level of being, as like a springboard in which that which is fully realized at the end of the involutionary cycle can then become, instead of dissolution into a devolutionary phase, the beginning of a "evolutionary" phase utilizing what was merged into and molded with matter for the purpose of evolving spiritually higher which eventually leads to "moksha", i.e. liberation, from this realm of gross materiality.
Having learned, observed and studied this for some time that when I learned of this Astrological Part called the Pars Hyleg, or Part of Hyleg, I was of the opinion that one should only use the New Moon prior to birth in the formula to derive this Part... but I was wrong... as I will now give example to demonstrate and delineate upon.
As like I pointed out in the thread on the Part of Astrology and Part of Omens& Signs thread, I usually rely on the chart I am convinced is that of the Archetype for our current age, Yeshu'a ben David aka Jesus of Nazareth but instead I had to rely on my own natal chart to provide me with the answer for this question.
Now to give all credit where it is due, member Phoenix Venus was fully engaged in this study with me and also found that it was my own chart and and shared observations that provided us with an answer. I'm going to be completely honest here in that neither of us is 100% sure that this is the only solution but we both agree on it point by point to our own present satisfaction. I at least know that I will be rather dismayed if it should eventually prove to be otherwise and Phoenix Venus may just make that same statement. She will undoubtedly be chiming in here with her own observations and conclusions and will speak for herself.
Many of you members know me well enough by now to know that I am convinced I was born into this particular incarnation as in service to the Prince of Peace and our divine Host to bring dissolution to much of the darkness that has obfuscated this divine science of Astrology and to bring to light whom Yeshu'a actually was/is rather than who any of the current 30,000 to 40,000 authorities of the various sects of, alleged, Christianity currently unequivocally claim Him to be. I am convinced that Phoenix Venus is also one whom chose to serve in this capacity in her present incarnation and what I am about to demonstrate, to reveal, will show you just what it is like when one is involved with something of divine concern and what can be taken to assure oneself of their involvement...or better said...of their NEEDED involvement, if they need to be made aware and convinced, that is.
It is truly awesome...awesome and both humbling at the same time. Many are called but few are chosen and do not feel to be slighted or disillusioned of heart if you find no such similarities in your own natal charts through the course of your lifetime but rather let this which I am about to share be that which confirms your belief and faith that God has not forsaken humankind and is ever doing what is needed, when it is needed to bring all our souls back home. This is how it works at another level and should convince all that Astrology, when properly applied and understood, is for real...with a capital "R".
I was born May 6, 1953 at 7:40:44 p.m. pdst in Glendale, (Los Angeles County) California, my natal Ascendant is 17*
07' 04", my natal Moon is 24* 
02' 58". The event closest to prior the time of my birth was the Full Moon which occurred on April 28 at 9:20:24 p.m pdst and was at 08* 33' 18" thus using the formula for the Part of Hyleg I gave above that calculates to be 02* 
36' 44".
Using the prenatal New Moon which occurred on April 13, 1953 at 12:08:49 p.m. pdst and which was at 23*
35' 27" (which coincidentally is conj. my natal Part of Tragedy & Fatality)the formula produces 17* 
34' 35" ( which coincidentally is conjunct the USA's natal Part of Soul/Spirit {the "Zero Hour" chart, i.e. 12:00:01 a.m. July 4, 1776 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania} at 17* 18' 24").
To be thorough and include the concluding postnatal New Moon, which occured on May 12, 1953 at 10:05:39 p.m. pdst which was at 22*
08' 21", the formula produces 19* 
01' 41".
Here are the tree Sabian Symbols for those three results, in the same order.
From Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala", Pisces 03*.
"PISCES 3°: PETRIFIED TREE TRUNKS LIE BROKEN ON DESERT SAND.
KEYNOTE: The power to preserve records of their achievements which is inherent in fully matured cultures.
When a vast group of men succeed in building a culture with strong institutions which express themselves in significant symbols and works of art or literature, such an effort of many generations is rarely lost altogether. In one form or another, records of this culture endure or are mysteriously preserved, simply because they reveal the place and function of this particular culture in the long process of unfoldment of the potentialities inherent in archetypal MAN. It is such a concept that has been mythified and popularized in the religious idea of the resurrection of the dead on the Last Day. The symbol of petrified wood in the Arizona desert, however, tells us that the actual preservation of the records is never perfect or total. Only fragments remain, significant enough to reveal the essential archetypal form.
This third symbol of the sixty-seventh five-fold sequence brings the promise of social immortality — i.e. the preservation of the enduring (because archetypally meaningful) factors in whatever man attempts within his culture. A symbol of INDESTRUCTABILITY."
Now the Sabian Symbol for the prenatal New Moon used in the Part of Hyleg formula, the 18* of Virgo ( and that of the Part of Soul/Spirit for the USA's natal chart): [ibid.]
"VIRGO 18°: A OUIJA BOARD.
KEYNOTE: The ability to contact deeper recesses of the unconscious psyche and sensitiveness to psychic intimations and omens.
The ouija board is to be considered here a modern device similar to many ancient instruments used for divination and prophecy. Certain states of threshold consciousness are stimulated by such a use, and what the experience produces may vary greatly in quality and in origin. The release of unconscious material has lost the explosive force pictorialized in the preceding symbol, yet at this stage there is still no conscious and willful control over what reaches the ego-consciousness.
This is the third stage of the thirty-fourth sequence of symbolic phases in the life process. It is at best a stage of transition which stresses a passive openness to the unknown. The glamour of it may subtly pervert the mind of the aspirant; but in some cases, this can be the first manifestation of INNER GUIDANCE. The difficulty is to correctly evaluate what or who does the guiding."
Thus faced with these two symbols, I at first concluded the following.
The Ouija Board is something I can recall from my earliest childhood days. My parents had one and they enjoyed experimenting with it with our first neighbors where we rented a bungalow from them, behind their own house on Romaine Street in Hollywood, from 1953 to 1956. The Ouija Board stayed with us throughout the years and two more residences in Los Angeles and was in the home here in Orangevale that my parents bought for their retirement years up until the day my mother passed away in January of 2011. I participated in using it, with my parents and sometimes my siblings. I became aware of paranormal, or metaphysical abilities that I have when I was quite young. I followed a prescribed procedure I read in a copy of Fate magazine when i was but 8 years old to successfully produce "Dream Divination" by pre-programming myself to dream of the highest paying winning race horse at a race track in L.A. the following day which much to my fathers dismay and delight won him about 18 dollars for a two dollar bet that day. The fellows that wrote of the procedure were using it for just that purpose in New York and as my father loved to "play the ponies" when he had a couple of bucks to spare I just had to try it for dear old Dad. I could never do it again though, even though I tried. as I learned that I was allowed to do it once for confirmation of ability but also that it is wrong to use such abilities for personal gain.
I found over the subsequent years that I do have clairvoyant abilities but they are not at my beck and call and I only have this ability through the 'Dream state".
At age 15, in the Summer of 1968, fascinated with the conclusion of a science fiction triology that my brother had read and recommended, in which the protagonist, a teenage boy, saves the world from alien domination by accessing a hidden "doomsday" weapon hidden within granite chambers inside a mountain using a yoga technique to produce a siddha which allowed him to pass through the solid granite walls and save the day, I raved about the fascinating conclusion to my mother whom immediately saw it as the perfect opportunity to introduce me to meditation...which she had been hoping mightily for an opportunity to do so in the belief it would calm my teenage exuberance and excessive angst.
She told me that she learned it from reading her books and articles on Edgar Cayce, whom I had also become a bit fascinated with 9my parents were avid fans and students of the files of the readings given by Edgar over his lifetime and had amassed an impressive small library of material on the subject and many other subjects that had to do with the paranormal and the metaphysical.) The premeditation head and neck exercises, the breathing exercises that one emplys alternatively between nostils and the mouth was all explained to me. Then I was told to sit in the proper position and with eyes closed but inwardly focusing my gaze between my eyebows and was given a one word mantra. The bij, OM. Little did she even have an inkling to suspect for even a moment what I might be capable of doing with what she had just given me
I achieved samyama with the bij that night after about a couple of hours effort. I was born with a Saturn-Neptune conjunction within a half of a degree orb. Saturn in its exalted degree or right next to it, I've never quite found the conclusive answer about that, at 22*
17' 17' and Neptune at 21* 52' 45" both retrograde and along with Chiron are the only retrograde planets/influences in my natal chart. I have found that conjunctions within a half of a degree orb to be of a "casimi" like effect ...it's where the bestowed influences and abilities are amplified at what seems like an exponential increase and a Saturn Neptune conjunction is the astro-aspect that bestows an ability to meditate like it is childs play...but I knew nothing about astrology, in theory or as to personal as it was a subject that was considered to be taboo in our family, not because of any religious dogma but rather because Edgar Cayce said that the practice had lost so many of the correct techniques and replaced some with that which was completely erroneous, the knowledge was for the most part lost and that He said it would do a person more harm than good to egage in any modern system of astrology at that time, East or Wast, Oriental or Occidental, that is.
As I was raised in old Quaker ways and practice of worship and belief (Waiting Worship, as it was origianlly practiced and expounded by George Fox in the early 17th century) which is all about "listening to the 'Inner Voice', the voice of the Christ within us it may interest some of you to know that after searching fr a "guru" all through the 1970's and not finding one that told me my place was with him as a disciple, I relied on that "Inner Voice" and it was not unil September of 2003 when I met Suryakant at the transient hotel I was living in and which He had moved into just a few weeks prior when He loaned me his copy of Swami Sivananda's book on Japa Yoga (the Yoga of using mantra..and I hd an encounter, "darshan", with Swami Sivananda in a dream in late '74 or early '75, but did not know it was him until late Summer of 1975 when I saw his picture on the back of Swami Satchitananda's (his disciple) book in a bookstore in L.A. In Swami Sivananda's book on Japa Yoga He mentions a very rare type of Yogi that is given instruction in how to meditate and the mantra of the bij, OM, by someone other than a professed guru and achieves samyama with the bij is then a yogi that has no guru, or even satguru, other than the bij, the actual word/voice of God within him and does not renounce the world but rather remains within the temporal life and works on mastering the chakras in the reverse order. A, kind of, 'Reverse Yogi'. How anymore appropriate that could be for one raised in old Waiting Worship Quaker ways and beliefs is beyond me.
So given all that I was rather sure that it had to be the prenatal New Moon and only the prenatal New Moon that was the correct one to use in the Part of Hyleg formula. The Sabian Symbol for my postnatal New Moon, utilized in the Part of Hyleg formula, is in the 20th degree of Leo: [ibid.}
"LEO 20°: ZUNI INDIANS PERFORM A RITUAL TO THE SUN.
KEYNOTE: A return to the glorification of natural energies.
While the first symbol of this five-fold sequence pictured the magnificence of the returning sun after a storm, in this last symbol we see, by implication, man returning to nature and glorifying the sun after the long crisis of 'civilized' living in artificial cities. For many years now, the American Pueblo Indian has been for the weary city dweller and the dried-up intellectual a symbol of this 'return to nature'. After having ruthlessly destroyed him, we come to him as an exemplar of peaceful and harmonious group living.
This fifth symbol of the twenty-eighth sequence brings us the image of a reversal of our socialized activity and opens for us the way to the deepest release of our long-denied root energies. Natural man links himself consciously to the source of all life on earth. And this means IDENTIFICATION THROUGH WORSHIP — and the sanctification of the creative power."
(my natal Pluto is in the 21st degree of Leo, my M.C. the 25th degree along with my Part of Fortune) and I immediately recognized it representing that which I began employing in 2001 when I was homeless for three months and camping out along the American River a few hundred yards below Folsom Prison and have faithfully emplyed ever since every day that it is at all possible to do so at dawn (and the name Suryakant means "Ray of the Sun". Surya is one of the twelve names of the Sun in ancient Sanskrit and means "The One that induces activity". The entire story of what happened from 2001 on, meeting Suryakant and what all else transpired that lead me to produce a chart for the day that Edgar Cayce said that Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth was born, March 19, 3 A.D. (or C.E. for those that prefer) by the Julian calendar at the time of day I had a strong hunch would be the correct time of day, r.e. Pluto on the Ascendant [ibid.] what the chart reveals and also teaches us as to techniques to be employed and how to read the chart through Sabian Symbolgy is explained in length and detail in my book, "A Template for the Time. The Astrological Birth Chart of Jesus." TGS Publishing, Hidden Mysteries Publishing, Frankston, Texas, copyright 2008. The chart was produced Novemeber 7, 2004 and Pluto was most hurriedly demoted by devious and deceptive means at the following I.A.U. convention in 2005. Also astrodienst has since changed the computer program and is thus purporting now that Pluto was in the following degree (and moving it millions of miles from where it actually was on that day the day of His birth... such a bunch of transparent deliberate subtefuge the likes of which I've never seen performed with such deliberate desperation as to seem like the reckless work of amatuers.)
Although I had been studying astrology since the Summer of 1984 when my most gifted in inherent intelligence and extraordinarily erudite younger brother, Daniel, (whom returned to college in 2001 after only taking a Fall semester in 1973. He earned five degrees by 2007, B.S. Organic Chemistry, B.S. Biology, B.S. Computer Science, B.A. English Literature, Masters in Teaching. I believe that He has at least three or four additional degrees presently) whom had just spent a two year layoff from work reading all he could find on Carl Jung, Freud and Dane Rudhyar and then delving into astrology to see what He could determine was still salvagable of the ancient science then imparted what He had found convincing in a nine month intensive whil living with him in his L.A. apartment while in town to work in the construction trades as I had to leave my long time residence in the Lake Tahoe region due to some personal concerns and to make a better wage in anticipation of my upcoming bethrothal to my fiancee I left waiting in the High Sierras. Suryakant also loaned me his natal chart and horoscope that was written by an astrologer friend of his in Colorado that was well versed and practiced in Rudhyarian technique and the use of the Sabian Symbols as interpreted and presented by Dane. From that chart I increased my understanding and knowledge of how to interpret a natal chart twice fold from all I had gathered in the previous twenty years that it had been since 1984...and was then ready to recognize the chart I produced for that date that Edgar Cayce gave as for the birth of the Prince of Peace... I couldn't have done it without Suryakant's causual offer of "loaning me a few things that I might just find of interest". ..and it all stems from the guruampara in India, to them we most humbly bow in deep reverence and awe...read my book for more about that.
So it was a happenstance minor occupation that just grew out of my continued studies in astrology to cull out true knowledge and techniques, that are most ancient, pertaining to astrology and to preserve it until the Yeshu'a/Jesus birth chart was produced and then it became a consciously applied and most devoted endeavor. The ancient Sun rites I began to employ in 2001, which is also part of the former effort as they too are most ancient, so I was certain that it must be that of the 18th of Virgo that is the root from which all else in my life has been dependent on and that my life has had as it's main cause, it's radix vitae.
But...then the realization struck me... that of learning and developing my metaphysical abilities and that of employing Sun rites are personal in nature...it is for the identifying, obtaining, collecting and preserving what fragments of precious and of inestimable value and worth of ancient knowledge is what I was incarnated in this present lifetime to do. Author Trevor Ravenscroft wrote of the predicted return of the man that had been Parsival (Piercethevale) along with other s that had been Knights in Arthur's court and subsequently Templar Knights in later incarnations in his book, "The Cup of Destiny (a copy of which Suryakant also loaned me in 2007) and Rudolph Steiner predicted would return also, in time for the new millennium.
Ravenscroft wrote of the required requisites that the one whom was Parsival must exhibit and possess...and I am the only person that has come forward on Earth that has "fit that profile" to date.
Suryakant was Sir Galahad, by the way. I'm told by my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner, whom confirmed my identity to me, that there presently are four more beings reincarnated that sat at that "Round Table" some 1200 to 1300 years ago ...Parsival and Galahad were of the second generation, for those of you unfamiliar with the legend. Galahad was said to be the son of Sir Lancelot. Clarisse also told me something that I have not found in any source for information on the Arthurian legend, that Arthur's bones were ground and spread far and wide over the land of Britain back in that time immediately after He died. For what esoteric and or occult purpose that was done I haven't the slightest idea but I have a hunch that someone that needs to know of this will read these words and understand what that entails and what, if anything, they should proceed from with that in mind. ( also another clairvoyant, highly regarded and unknown at the time to Clarisse or her to him, whom was a guru to a couple of the members of the old MSN website that was devoted to astrology and had a forum which was the first internet forum I participated in until it's demise, also told those two members that I had the same three previous lives that Clarisse also had told me at that time. I presently know of two more thanks to Clarisse's effort and that of a couple of Jotish astrologers here at this forum...my most immediate previous life was one of a man in India...which I had always suspected for many, many years as for my natural affection for yoga, Hindu theology, Vedic sciences as for the reason that in 2005 I saw a copy of Mohandas Gandhi's birth chart and noticed an uncanny resemblance to my own and asking for an opinion in the sub forum dedicated to past lives it was told to me that in their opinion that I not only knew Gandhi but that I was a most intimate associate in some way. Clarisse says that I was a wealthy Hindu businessman, "with many gold rings on all my fingers" possessing great wealth put not in a obsessive materialistic way but rather a most concerned human that desired only to make the greatest spiritual use of it to benefit all that it could possibly do so. Clarisse says that what Gandhi exemplified and demonstrated as to making change in the political and sociological realm of society that I took with me from that lifetime will be most sorely be needed to be both remembered and employed in this present one in the near future...and given the present state of the United States of America and how close it is on the brink of destroying itself and all that it has to be respected for in the past I cannot let myself not believe in Her words, although at this time I'm at a loss to see how I may be of any influence on the immediate future...given that to date I seem to have reached but only a very small number of people that seem to have at least some belief in the knowledge I've gleaned from the pst and are demonstrating that belief by utilizing it.)
To which, member, Phoenix Venus is the only one that has genuinely professed full faith in what I have offered ...and that she wisely has confirmed for her own satisfaction is of genuine veracity...she has corrected a few mistakes I have made too...Bless Her sweet soul and own inherent intelligence and integrity.
I believe that one day she will be recognized as an impeccable authority of the highest order, on the recognized , and rightly so, ancient Science of astrology...which will eventually not only be recognized once again as a true science but will be irrefutably be recognized as "The Mother of All Science" ...just as Dane Rudhyar predicted that it would one day be.
I didn't even get into this study until I was some months past my thirty first birthday...Phoenix V. won't even be 28 until late this October...and given another ten, twenty, thirty years to delve into and further her studies... Wow... I only wish I could live so long as to see what all she will accomplish.
I don't anticipate my participating here at this forum much longer... it's been a real test of my endurance and sanity to have gotten this far. My health has suffered greatly because of it and I would like to see a bit of the world before it is my time to leave this mortal coil...God willing.
Other than three weeks in the American Rocky Mountains in 2001, and an occasional tip to the other side of the Nevada Border and a jaunt to Oregon in the 1980's, I haven't been anywhere since my year on the road traveling across the USA and Canada in 1972-3. ...and I thought that I was going to eventually be the well seasoned, man of the world, back then in 1973.
It's just like John Lennon wrote and sang in one of his songs: "Life has a funny way of happening in spite of our plans"
Now, the "Magic" I promised.
some of you know that I do composite charts between myself, and the Yeshu'a/Jesus birth chart. I also have done composite charts between his chart and that of those I consider to be major players in this endeavor that Ravenscroft and Steiner predicted.
I made composites of the event charts of the Moons, prenatal New Moon, Full Moon and postnatal New Moon of my birth time with those I produced for Yeshu'a's time and them made composite Parts of Hyleg and Hylegesque parts using our composite natal chart. Phoenix Venus did the same.
When I emailed her the positions of the event Moons of my birth time. the prenatal New Moon being at 23* 35' 27", the Full Moon, which was also prenatal in my case and thus the Traditional element to use in the formula for my Part of Hyleg...(Yeshu'a's Full Moon event at the time of his birth was post-natal and thus we use the prenatal New Moon for His Part of Hyleg), my Full Moon event being at 08* 33' 18" ...
...and the postnatal New Moon that occurred six days after my birth at
22* 08' 21"
...Phoenix Venus then immediately emailed me back stating in near disbelief...something as like, "You have got to be ******* kidding me", as for the reason that Her composite prenatal New Moon Part of Hyleg with Yeshu'a is at 22* 19',
Her composite Full Moon Part of Hyleg with Yeshu'a is at 08* 13'
...and...
Her postnatal New Moon Hylegesque like part is 23* 22' ..and what are the odds of that just happening coincidentally....hmmm?
Can you dig it....!?!?!
Now, that's the way it works on this level...
This is REAL ASTROLOGY people...believe it... learn it and live it.... AND WHILE I'M ON A ROLL HERE, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD...THE "FINAL AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER IS THAT
PLUTO IS A PLANET >>>> you're Darn tootin' it is... A ONE WITH A MOST AUTHORITATIVE AND POWERFUL INFLUENCE... Looks like a Bantam weight BUT punches like a MISSOURI MULE KICKS
...and "SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS"
p.s.[FONT=".Century Gothic"] Yeshu'a's Part of Hyleg is @ 01* 50' 32",
his Full Moon Hylegesque like part is @ 17* 25' 34"
and his postnatal New Moon Hylegesque like part is @ 03* 08' 18"
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...you'll notice that He also has one the same as mine and the USA's natal Part of Soul/Spirit (who says that the United States isn't or never was intended to be a "Christian nation" ..and don't forget that the number for the Christ, i.e. 888, when doubled becomes 1776 ...
...and that postnatal New Moon part is nearly identical with my Part of Hyleg at 02* 36' 44"
...and given that what astrodienst has been doing to fudge the data from that time for these past four of five years now, it just may be that given the rectification of the corrupted data that it might very well also produce the exact same degree...it isn't too far off as it is.
When I make a composite chart of my prenatal Full Moon event chart which is the traditional and correct chart to derive my Part of Hyleg from with that chart which is the prenatal New Moon event for Yeshu'a and is the traditional and correct chart to use for his Part of Hyleg what is produced for the position of the composite Moon 18*
25' 43"...
... and when used with our composite natal birth chart to produce a traditional Part of Hyleg that Part comes to be @ 17* 09' 05"...again, the exact same Sign and degree as the USA's natal Part of Soul/Spirit and thus is the "radix vitae" of all Astrological Parts produced from the composite natal chart made from mine and Yeshu'a's birth charts...
now, are some of you getting the picture of why I'm incarnate in this time in the United States instead of any other country I could have possibly been born in for this endeavor to produce the true birth chart f Jesus of Nazareth, Yeshu'a ben David, set the record straight as to whom He was (FAR MORE THAN MERELY SOME JEWISH PROPHET... HE WAS THE PREDICATED ONE, THE EXPECTED ONE {ESSENE MEANS "EXPECTING"] THE ARCHETYPE FOR THIS CYCLE OF THE 26,664 {apprx} YEARS OF THE CURRENT PROCESSION OF THE "YUGAS" ...THAT WHICH OF THE "MAGI" KNEW OF AND WERE SO DEMONSTRATIVE OF IN THERE "FOLLOWING THE STAR" TO BETHLEHEM [READ "EDGAR CAYCE'S STORY OF JESUS" BY JEFFEREY FURST FOR MORE INFO ON THAT] JUST AS SRI RAMA HAD BEEN INCARNATED ON THIS EARTH APPRX. 198,000 YEARS B.C. (or B.C.E., for those that prefer. Source for that info. the readings given by the late Edgar Cayce, whom also stated that humankind first appeared on this Earth apprx 224,000 years ago. Homo Sapiens, that is. Five "Adams for Five Races of Man that are destined to become one homogenous race. It stands up to all introspection that the more mixed racial type one is, the more advanced one is spiritually...read "Edgar Cayce's Origin and Destiny of Man" (by an author I can't presently remember the name of for more on that...and a great, mind blowing read it is too!) ..and from what I understand there has been an exemplary Archetype born every apprx 26, 640 years since apprx 224,000 years ago...which btw, for those of you that may not have read my few posts on that subject it is also the apprx time of a completion of 108 orbits of Pluto around the Sun, and know that there are 108 beads on a Hindu mala, the model of the process of transformation used to count the repetitions of the mantra one is using for their own "transformation" and the Roman Catholics use a Rosary of 54 beads... (is that a half effort? ...or do they do it twice?)
fyi according to what astrodienst is presently producing the position of the prenatal New Mon prior to Yeshu'a's birth was @ 28* 18' 09", the Full Moon the night after his birth was @ 12* 43' 07", and that of the postnatal New Moon's position was @ 27* 00' 23" (same Sign and degree as my natal Mercury)
Of some curious note is that my nieces new born son (I have a thread about him in the natal forum) his prenatal New Moon Part of Hyleg is 25* 26' 11', Full Moon (prenatal and traditional) Part of Hyleg is @ 11* 01' 51" and for the postnatal Hylegesque like part it is 25* 23' 44" ...all three strangely shadowing the location of the three event Moons involved in the Hylegs during the time of Yeshu'a's birth...
which comes to add to my suspicion that his quite unusual birth circumstances and not to mention that his DNA is over 99% all from his mother, my niece, and Clarisse's prediction that He too will grow up to study what astrological legacy I and those that will follow me will leave and will so also expand upon that knowledge and carry it further into the future.
What I wrote in Italics, in the last two sentences above, I have little to no faith of belief in but I included it for those of you that would prefer the text remain intact for integrity's sake.
Zoller included a couple of footnotes asking the reader to compare what He had written to the Part of Fortune but that is because, in my opinion, Zoller didn't have a clue himself of what the Part of Hyleg represents as to its influence and or effects. I also think that the "ancients" he referred to are no more "ancient" than the astrologers of the "Dark" and "Middle" ages and as to why "the ancients did not care to say anything much regarding this part" I doubt that it was "because it was involved with other things", but rather because for the only reason that they didn't know how it was involved with other things, nor did they really know why.
In Part I "Background", Chapter I, titled, "How The Parts Were Lost", Zoller wrote that the doctrine of the so-called Arabic Parts (and He never capitalizes the word Part, or Hyleg, while I believe they should properly be) is "of considerable antiquity" but that the oldest known surviving record of them is Ptolemy's second century text, "Tetrabiblos" and that in that text He referred to the Part of Fortune as being one of the five hylegical places but also calls Ptolemy "a recorder of astrological method rather than innovator" (Innovator? It was all known of in the Golden Age of humankind and there is nothing one can be a "innovator" of)
It has no title of effect other than being the "Hyleg".
As all Parts are symbolically active the Part of Hyleg is too, but it being involved with all the others "as matter is to form" can only be identified as to what matter it is made of through the Sabian Symbol found for the Sign and degree it is located in.
That is why no one could any longer explain it, define it or even apply it to any useful purpose either for that matter, not since the knowledge of the 360 degree symbols/precepts were lost to the past, forgotten in every living mind, until astrologer Marc Edmond Jones and a clairvoyant, with a soul and conscience so crystalline as that of Elsie Wheeler, spent an afternoon in Balboa Park, San Diego in 1926 and using Ms. Elsie's wonderful gift they re-ascertained them all. The "effect of the Part of Hyleg from each natal chart is different from 359 out of 360 others and that is determined by the Sabian Symbol found for the degree of the Sign it is found to reside in.
I was suspect of the lore, that has been handed down over the centuries, stating that "one projects from either the New or Full Moon that was closest prior to birth", in that it sounds very familiar to the exceptions to the formulae to derive many of the Parts that hinge on whether the birth was at day or night and not one have I found to date to be as such. That is to say all that have been repeatedly tested to to such a number of trials that I am convinced without any doubt that diurnal (day) is the only formulae to utilize.
The late, twentieth century, master astrologer, authoritarian and definitive word on the Sabian Symbols, the incomparable Dane Rudhyar wrote quite a bit on the cycles of the New Moons and most pointedly called attention to the event of the New Moon as being the inception of a new cycle within life. That first ephemeral moment when the Moon moves on from the conjunction with the Sun being as like the very first spark of awareness of being as light is reflected upon its surface just as if it were a newly born babe receiving the first light of consciousness from the divine source. From there to the Full Moon being an "involutionary" phase whereas what is within that consciousness is incorporated into matter and then from the Full Moon through the waning phase of the Moon that which was created in the involution then goes through a "devolutionary" phase and is dissolved and all awaits the next New Moon event when the process repeats ad infinitum.
Rudhyar did emphasize that the Full Moon offers the opportunity to be as like a stepping stone to a higher level of being, as like a springboard in which that which is fully realized at the end of the involutionary cycle can then become, instead of dissolution into a devolutionary phase, the beginning of a "evolutionary" phase utilizing what was merged into and molded with matter for the purpose of evolving spiritually higher which eventually leads to "moksha", i.e. liberation, from this realm of gross materiality.
Having learned, observed and studied this for some time that when I learned of this Astrological Part called the Pars Hyleg, or Part of Hyleg, I was of the opinion that one should only use the New Moon prior to birth in the formula to derive this Part... but I was wrong... as I will now give example to demonstrate and delineate upon.
As like I pointed out in the thread on the Part of Astrology and Part of Omens& Signs thread, I usually rely on the chart I am convinced is that of the Archetype for our current age, Yeshu'a ben David aka Jesus of Nazareth but instead I had to rely on my own natal chart to provide me with the answer for this question.
Now to give all credit where it is due, member Phoenix Venus was fully engaged in this study with me and also found that it was my own chart and and shared observations that provided us with an answer. I'm going to be completely honest here in that neither of us is 100% sure that this is the only solution but we both agree on it point by point to our own present satisfaction. I at least know that I will be rather dismayed if it should eventually prove to be otherwise and Phoenix Venus may just make that same statement. She will undoubtedly be chiming in here with her own observations and conclusions and will speak for herself.
Many of you members know me well enough by now to know that I am convinced I was born into this particular incarnation as in service to the Prince of Peace and our divine Host to bring dissolution to much of the darkness that has obfuscated this divine science of Astrology and to bring to light whom Yeshu'a actually was/is rather than who any of the current 30,000 to 40,000 authorities of the various sects of, alleged, Christianity currently unequivocally claim Him to be. I am convinced that Phoenix Venus is also one whom chose to serve in this capacity in her present incarnation and what I am about to demonstrate, to reveal, will show you just what it is like when one is involved with something of divine concern and what can be taken to assure oneself of their involvement...or better said...of their NEEDED involvement, if they need to be made aware and convinced, that is.
It is truly awesome...awesome and both humbling at the same time. Many are called but few are chosen and do not feel to be slighted or disillusioned of heart if you find no such similarities in your own natal charts through the course of your lifetime but rather let this which I am about to share be that which confirms your belief and faith that God has not forsaken humankind and is ever doing what is needed, when it is needed to bring all our souls back home. This is how it works at another level and should convince all that Astrology, when properly applied and understood, is for real...with a capital "R".
I was born May 6, 1953 at 7:40:44 p.m. pdst in Glendale, (Los Angeles County) California, my natal Ascendant is 17*
07' 04", my natal Moon is 24* 02' 58". The event closest to prior the time of my birth was the Full Moon which occurred on April 28 at 9:20:24 p.m pdst and was at 08* 33' 18" thus using the formula for the Part of Hyleg I gave above that calculates to be 02* 36' 44".Using the prenatal New Moon which occurred on April 13, 1953 at 12:08:49 p.m. pdst and which was at 23*
35' 27" (which coincidentally is conj. my natal Part of Tragedy & Fatality)the formula produces 17* 34' 35" ( which coincidentally is conjunct the USA's natal Part of Soul/Spirit {the "Zero Hour" chart, i.e. 12:00:01 a.m. July 4, 1776 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania} at 17* 18' 24").To be thorough and include the concluding postnatal New Moon, which occured on May 12, 1953 at 10:05:39 p.m. pdst which was at 22*
08' 21", the formula produces 19* 01' 41".Here are the tree Sabian Symbols for those three results, in the same order.
From Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala", Pisces 03*.
"PISCES 3°: PETRIFIED TREE TRUNKS LIE BROKEN ON DESERT SAND.
KEYNOTE: The power to preserve records of their achievements which is inherent in fully matured cultures.
When a vast group of men succeed in building a culture with strong institutions which express themselves in significant symbols and works of art or literature, such an effort of many generations is rarely lost altogether. In one form or another, records of this culture endure or are mysteriously preserved, simply because they reveal the place and function of this particular culture in the long process of unfoldment of the potentialities inherent in archetypal MAN. It is such a concept that has been mythified and popularized in the religious idea of the resurrection of the dead on the Last Day. The symbol of petrified wood in the Arizona desert, however, tells us that the actual preservation of the records is never perfect or total. Only fragments remain, significant enough to reveal the essential archetypal form.
This third symbol of the sixty-seventh five-fold sequence brings the promise of social immortality — i.e. the preservation of the enduring (because archetypally meaningful) factors in whatever man attempts within his culture. A symbol of INDESTRUCTABILITY."
Now the Sabian Symbol for the prenatal New Moon used in the Part of Hyleg formula, the 18* of Virgo ( and that of the Part of Soul/Spirit for the USA's natal chart): [ibid.]
"VIRGO 18°: A OUIJA BOARD.
KEYNOTE: The ability to contact deeper recesses of the unconscious psyche and sensitiveness to psychic intimations and omens.
The ouija board is to be considered here a modern device similar to many ancient instruments used for divination and prophecy. Certain states of threshold consciousness are stimulated by such a use, and what the experience produces may vary greatly in quality and in origin. The release of unconscious material has lost the explosive force pictorialized in the preceding symbol, yet at this stage there is still no conscious and willful control over what reaches the ego-consciousness.
This is the third stage of the thirty-fourth sequence of symbolic phases in the life process. It is at best a stage of transition which stresses a passive openness to the unknown. The glamour of it may subtly pervert the mind of the aspirant; but in some cases, this can be the first manifestation of INNER GUIDANCE. The difficulty is to correctly evaluate what or who does the guiding."
Thus faced with these two symbols, I at first concluded the following.
The Ouija Board is something I can recall from my earliest childhood days. My parents had one and they enjoyed experimenting with it with our first neighbors where we rented a bungalow from them, behind their own house on Romaine Street in Hollywood, from 1953 to 1956. The Ouija Board stayed with us throughout the years and two more residences in Los Angeles and was in the home here in Orangevale that my parents bought for their retirement years up until the day my mother passed away in January of 2011. I participated in using it, with my parents and sometimes my siblings. I became aware of paranormal, or metaphysical abilities that I have when I was quite young. I followed a prescribed procedure I read in a copy of Fate magazine when i was but 8 years old to successfully produce "Dream Divination" by pre-programming myself to dream of the highest paying winning race horse at a race track in L.A. the following day which much to my fathers dismay and delight won him about 18 dollars for a two dollar bet that day. The fellows that wrote of the procedure were using it for just that purpose in New York and as my father loved to "play the ponies" when he had a couple of bucks to spare I just had to try it for dear old Dad. I could never do it again though, even though I tried. as I learned that I was allowed to do it once for confirmation of ability but also that it is wrong to use such abilities for personal gain.
I found over the subsequent years that I do have clairvoyant abilities but they are not at my beck and call and I only have this ability through the 'Dream state".
At age 15, in the Summer of 1968, fascinated with the conclusion of a science fiction triology that my brother had read and recommended, in which the protagonist, a teenage boy, saves the world from alien domination by accessing a hidden "doomsday" weapon hidden within granite chambers inside a mountain using a yoga technique to produce a siddha which allowed him to pass through the solid granite walls and save the day, I raved about the fascinating conclusion to my mother whom immediately saw it as the perfect opportunity to introduce me to meditation...which she had been hoping mightily for an opportunity to do so in the belief it would calm my teenage exuberance and excessive angst.
She told me that she learned it from reading her books and articles on Edgar Cayce, whom I had also become a bit fascinated with 9my parents were avid fans and students of the files of the readings given by Edgar over his lifetime and had amassed an impressive small library of material on the subject and many other subjects that had to do with the paranormal and the metaphysical.) The premeditation head and neck exercises, the breathing exercises that one emplys alternatively between nostils and the mouth was all explained to me. Then I was told to sit in the proper position and with eyes closed but inwardly focusing my gaze between my eyebows and was given a one word mantra. The bij, OM. Little did she even have an inkling to suspect for even a moment what I might be capable of doing with what she had just given me
I achieved samyama with the bij that night after about a couple of hours effort. I was born with a Saturn-Neptune conjunction within a half of a degree orb. Saturn in its exalted degree or right next to it, I've never quite found the conclusive answer about that, at 22*
17' 17' and Neptune at 21* 52' 45" both retrograde and along with Chiron are the only retrograde planets/influences in my natal chart. I have found that conjunctions within a half of a degree orb to be of a "casimi" like effect ...it's where the bestowed influences and abilities are amplified at what seems like an exponential increase and a Saturn Neptune conjunction is the astro-aspect that bestows an ability to meditate like it is childs play...but I knew nothing about astrology, in theory or as to personal as it was a subject that was considered to be taboo in our family, not because of any religious dogma but rather because Edgar Cayce said that the practice had lost so many of the correct techniques and replaced some with that which was completely erroneous, the knowledge was for the most part lost and that He said it would do a person more harm than good to egage in any modern system of astrology at that time, East or Wast, Oriental or Occidental, that is.As I was raised in old Quaker ways and practice of worship and belief (Waiting Worship, as it was origianlly practiced and expounded by George Fox in the early 17th century) which is all about "listening to the 'Inner Voice', the voice of the Christ within us it may interest some of you to know that after searching fr a "guru" all through the 1970's and not finding one that told me my place was with him as a disciple, I relied on that "Inner Voice" and it was not unil September of 2003 when I met Suryakant at the transient hotel I was living in and which He had moved into just a few weeks prior when He loaned me his copy of Swami Sivananda's book on Japa Yoga (the Yoga of using mantra..and I hd an encounter, "darshan", with Swami Sivananda in a dream in late '74 or early '75, but did not know it was him until late Summer of 1975 when I saw his picture on the back of Swami Satchitananda's (his disciple) book in a bookstore in L.A. In Swami Sivananda's book on Japa Yoga He mentions a very rare type of Yogi that is given instruction in how to meditate and the mantra of the bij, OM, by someone other than a professed guru and achieves samyama with the bij is then a yogi that has no guru, or even satguru, other than the bij, the actual word/voice of God within him and does not renounce the world but rather remains within the temporal life and works on mastering the chakras in the reverse order. A, kind of, 'Reverse Yogi'. How anymore appropriate that could be for one raised in old Waiting Worship Quaker ways and beliefs is beyond me.
So given all that I was rather sure that it had to be the prenatal New Moon and only the prenatal New Moon that was the correct one to use in the Part of Hyleg formula. The Sabian Symbol for my postnatal New Moon, utilized in the Part of Hyleg formula, is in the 20th degree of Leo: [ibid.}
"LEO 20°: ZUNI INDIANS PERFORM A RITUAL TO THE SUN.
KEYNOTE: A return to the glorification of natural energies.
While the first symbol of this five-fold sequence pictured the magnificence of the returning sun after a storm, in this last symbol we see, by implication, man returning to nature and glorifying the sun after the long crisis of 'civilized' living in artificial cities. For many years now, the American Pueblo Indian has been for the weary city dweller and the dried-up intellectual a symbol of this 'return to nature'. After having ruthlessly destroyed him, we come to him as an exemplar of peaceful and harmonious group living.
This fifth symbol of the twenty-eighth sequence brings us the image of a reversal of our socialized activity and opens for us the way to the deepest release of our long-denied root energies. Natural man links himself consciously to the source of all life on earth. And this means IDENTIFICATION THROUGH WORSHIP — and the sanctification of the creative power."
(my natal Pluto is in the 21st degree of Leo, my M.C. the 25th degree along with my Part of Fortune) and I immediately recognized it representing that which I began employing in 2001 when I was homeless for three months and camping out along the American River a few hundred yards below Folsom Prison and have faithfully emplyed ever since every day that it is at all possible to do so at dawn (and the name Suryakant means "Ray of the Sun". Surya is one of the twelve names of the Sun in ancient Sanskrit and means "The One that induces activity". The entire story of what happened from 2001 on, meeting Suryakant and what all else transpired that lead me to produce a chart for the day that Edgar Cayce said that Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth was born, March 19, 3 A.D. (or C.E. for those that prefer) by the Julian calendar at the time of day I had a strong hunch would be the correct time of day, r.e. Pluto on the Ascendant [ibid.] what the chart reveals and also teaches us as to techniques to be employed and how to read the chart through Sabian Symbolgy is explained in length and detail in my book, "A Template for the Time. The Astrological Birth Chart of Jesus." TGS Publishing, Hidden Mysteries Publishing, Frankston, Texas, copyright 2008. The chart was produced Novemeber 7, 2004 and Pluto was most hurriedly demoted by devious and deceptive means at the following I.A.U. convention in 2005. Also astrodienst has since changed the computer program and is thus purporting now that Pluto was in the following degree (and moving it millions of miles from where it actually was on that day the day of His birth... such a bunch of transparent deliberate subtefuge the likes of which I've never seen performed with such deliberate desperation as to seem like the reckless work of amatuers.)
Although I had been studying astrology since the Summer of 1984 when my most gifted in inherent intelligence and extraordinarily erudite younger brother, Daniel, (whom returned to college in 2001 after only taking a Fall semester in 1973. He earned five degrees by 2007, B.S. Organic Chemistry, B.S. Biology, B.S. Computer Science, B.A. English Literature, Masters in Teaching. I believe that He has at least three or four additional degrees presently) whom had just spent a two year layoff from work reading all he could find on Carl Jung, Freud and Dane Rudhyar and then delving into astrology to see what He could determine was still salvagable of the ancient science then imparted what He had found convincing in a nine month intensive whil living with him in his L.A. apartment while in town to work in the construction trades as I had to leave my long time residence in the Lake Tahoe region due to some personal concerns and to make a better wage in anticipation of my upcoming bethrothal to my fiancee I left waiting in the High Sierras. Suryakant also loaned me his natal chart and horoscope that was written by an astrologer friend of his in Colorado that was well versed and practiced in Rudhyarian technique and the use of the Sabian Symbols as interpreted and presented by Dane. From that chart I increased my understanding and knowledge of how to interpret a natal chart twice fold from all I had gathered in the previous twenty years that it had been since 1984...and was then ready to recognize the chart I produced for that date that Edgar Cayce gave as for the birth of the Prince of Peace... I couldn't have done it without Suryakant's causual offer of "loaning me a few things that I might just find of interest". ..and it all stems from the guruampara in India, to them we most humbly bow in deep reverence and awe...read my book for more about that.
So it was a happenstance minor occupation that just grew out of my continued studies in astrology to cull out true knowledge and techniques, that are most ancient, pertaining to astrology and to preserve it until the Yeshu'a/Jesus birth chart was produced and then it became a consciously applied and most devoted endeavor. The ancient Sun rites I began to employ in 2001, which is also part of the former effort as they too are most ancient, so I was certain that it must be that of the 18th of Virgo that is the root from which all else in my life has been dependent on and that my life has had as it's main cause, it's radix vitae.
But...then the realization struck me... that of learning and developing my metaphysical abilities and that of employing Sun rites are personal in nature...it is for the identifying, obtaining, collecting and preserving what fragments of precious and of inestimable value and worth of ancient knowledge is what I was incarnated in this present lifetime to do. Author Trevor Ravenscroft wrote of the predicted return of the man that had been Parsival (Piercethevale) along with other s that had been Knights in Arthur's court and subsequently Templar Knights in later incarnations in his book, "The Cup of Destiny (a copy of which Suryakant also loaned me in 2007) and Rudolph Steiner predicted would return also, in time for the new millennium.
Ravenscroft wrote of the required requisites that the one whom was Parsival must exhibit and possess...and I am the only person that has come forward on Earth that has "fit that profile" to date.
Suryakant was Sir Galahad, by the way. I'm told by my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner, whom confirmed my identity to me, that there presently are four more beings reincarnated that sat at that "Round Table" some 1200 to 1300 years ago ...Parsival and Galahad were of the second generation, for those of you unfamiliar with the legend. Galahad was said to be the son of Sir Lancelot. Clarisse also told me something that I have not found in any source for information on the Arthurian legend, that Arthur's bones were ground and spread far and wide over the land of Britain back in that time immediately after He died. For what esoteric and or occult purpose that was done I haven't the slightest idea but I have a hunch that someone that needs to know of this will read these words and understand what that entails and what, if anything, they should proceed from with that in mind. ( also another clairvoyant, highly regarded and unknown at the time to Clarisse or her to him, whom was a guru to a couple of the members of the old MSN website that was devoted to astrology and had a forum which was the first internet forum I participated in until it's demise, also told those two members that I had the same three previous lives that Clarisse also had told me at that time. I presently know of two more thanks to Clarisse's effort and that of a couple of Jotish astrologers here at this forum...my most immediate previous life was one of a man in India...which I had always suspected for many, many years as for my natural affection for yoga, Hindu theology, Vedic sciences as for the reason that in 2005 I saw a copy of Mohandas Gandhi's birth chart and noticed an uncanny resemblance to my own and asking for an opinion in the sub forum dedicated to past lives it was told to me that in their opinion that I not only knew Gandhi but that I was a most intimate associate in some way. Clarisse says that I was a wealthy Hindu businessman, "with many gold rings on all my fingers" possessing great wealth put not in a obsessive materialistic way but rather a most concerned human that desired only to make the greatest spiritual use of it to benefit all that it could possibly do so. Clarisse says that what Gandhi exemplified and demonstrated as to making change in the political and sociological realm of society that I took with me from that lifetime will be most sorely be needed to be both remembered and employed in this present one in the near future...and given the present state of the United States of America and how close it is on the brink of destroying itself and all that it has to be respected for in the past I cannot let myself not believe in Her words, although at this time I'm at a loss to see how I may be of any influence on the immediate future...given that to date I seem to have reached but only a very small number of people that seem to have at least some belief in the knowledge I've gleaned from the pst and are demonstrating that belief by utilizing it.)
To which, member, Phoenix Venus is the only one that has genuinely professed full faith in what I have offered ...and that she wisely has confirmed for her own satisfaction is of genuine veracity...she has corrected a few mistakes I have made too...Bless Her sweet soul and own inherent intelligence and integrity.
I believe that one day she will be recognized as an impeccable authority of the highest order, on the recognized , and rightly so, ancient Science of astrology...which will eventually not only be recognized once again as a true science but will be irrefutably be recognized as "The Mother of All Science" ...just as Dane Rudhyar predicted that it would one day be.
I didn't even get into this study until I was some months past my thirty first birthday...Phoenix V. won't even be 28 until late this October...and given another ten, twenty, thirty years to delve into and further her studies... Wow... I only wish I could live so long as to see what all she will accomplish.
I don't anticipate my participating here at this forum much longer... it's been a real test of my endurance and sanity to have gotten this far. My health has suffered greatly because of it and I would like to see a bit of the world before it is my time to leave this mortal coil...God willing.
Other than three weeks in the American Rocky Mountains in 2001, and an occasional tip to the other side of the Nevada Border and a jaunt to Oregon in the 1980's, I haven't been anywhere since my year on the road traveling across the USA and Canada in 1972-3. ...and I thought that I was going to eventually be the well seasoned, man of the world, back then in 1973.
It's just like John Lennon wrote and sang in one of his songs: "Life has a funny way of happening in spite of our plans"
Now, the "Magic" I promised.
some of you know that I do composite charts between myself, and the Yeshu'a/Jesus birth chart. I also have done composite charts between his chart and that of those I consider to be major players in this endeavor that Ravenscroft and Steiner predicted.
I made composites of the event charts of the Moons, prenatal New Moon, Full Moon and postnatal New Moon of my birth time with those I produced for Yeshu'a's time and them made composite Parts of Hyleg and Hylegesque parts using our composite natal chart. Phoenix Venus did the same.
When I emailed her the positions of the event Moons of my birth time. the prenatal New Moon being at 23*
35' 27", the Full Moon, which was also prenatal in my case and thus the Traditional element to use in the formula for my Part of Hyleg...(Yeshu'a's Full Moon event at the time of his birth was post-natal and thus we use the prenatal New Moon for His Part of Hyleg), my Full Moon event being at 08* 33' 18" ......and the postnatal New Moon that occurred six days after my birth at
22*
08' 21"...Phoenix Venus then immediately emailed me back stating in near disbelief...something as like, "You have got to be ******* kidding me", as for the reason that Her composite prenatal New Moon Part of Hyleg with Yeshu'a is at 22*
19',Her composite Full Moon Part of Hyleg with Yeshu'a is at 08*
13' ...and...
Her postnatal New Moon Hylegesque like part is 23*
22' ..and what are the odds of that just happening coincidentally....hmmm?Can you dig it....!?!?!
Now, that's the way it works on this level...
This is REAL ASTROLOGY people...believe it... learn it and live it.... AND WHILE I'M ON A ROLL HERE, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD...THE "FINAL AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER IS THAT
PLUTO IS A PLANET >>>> you're Darn tootin' it is... A ONE WITH A MOST AUTHORITATIVE AND POWERFUL INFLUENCE... Looks like a Bantam weight BUT punches like a MISSOURI MULE KICKS
...and "SHUN THE NON BELIEVERS"
p.s.[FONT=".Century Gothic"] Yeshu'a's Part of Hyleg is @ 01*
50' 32", his Full Moon Hylegesque like part is @ 17*
25' 34" and his postnatal New Moon Hylegesque like part is @ 03*
08' 18" [/FONT]
...you'll notice that He also has one the same as mine and the USA's natal Part of Soul/Spirit (who says that the United States isn't or never was intended to be a "Christian nation" ..and don't forget that the number for the Christ, i.e. 888, when doubled becomes 1776 ...
...and that postnatal New Moon part is nearly identical with my Part of Hyleg at 02*
36' 44" ...and given that what astrodienst has been doing to fudge the data from that time for these past four of five years now, it just may be that given the rectification of the corrupted data that it might very well also produce the exact same degree...it isn't too far off as it is.
When I make a composite chart of my prenatal Full Moon event chart which is the traditional and correct chart to derive my Part of Hyleg from with that chart which is the prenatal New Moon event for Yeshu'a and is the traditional and correct chart to use for his Part of Hyleg what is produced for the position of the composite Moon 18*
25' 43"...... and when used with our composite natal birth chart to produce a traditional Part of Hyleg that Part comes to be @ 17*
09' 05"...again, the exact same Sign and degree as the USA's natal Part of Soul/Spirit and thus is the "radix vitae" of all Astrological Parts produced from the composite natal chart made from mine and Yeshu'a's birth charts...now, are some of you getting the picture of why I'm incarnate in this time in the United States instead of any other country I could have possibly been born in for this endeavor to produce the true birth chart f Jesus of Nazareth, Yeshu'a ben David, set the record straight as to whom He was (FAR MORE THAN MERELY SOME JEWISH PROPHET... HE WAS THE PREDICATED ONE, THE EXPECTED ONE {ESSENE MEANS "EXPECTING"] THE ARCHETYPE FOR THIS CYCLE OF THE 26,664 {apprx} YEARS OF THE CURRENT PROCESSION OF THE "YUGAS" ...THAT WHICH OF THE "MAGI" KNEW OF AND WERE SO DEMONSTRATIVE OF IN THERE "FOLLOWING THE STAR" TO BETHLEHEM [READ "EDGAR CAYCE'S STORY OF JESUS" BY JEFFEREY FURST FOR MORE INFO ON THAT] JUST AS SRI RAMA HAD BEEN INCARNATED ON THIS EARTH APPRX. 198,000 YEARS B.C. (or B.C.E., for those that prefer. Source for that info. the readings given by the late Edgar Cayce, whom also stated that humankind first appeared on this Earth apprx 224,000 years ago. Homo Sapiens, that is. Five "Adams for Five Races of Man that are destined to become one homogenous race. It stands up to all introspection that the more mixed racial type one is, the more advanced one is spiritually...read "Edgar Cayce's Origin and Destiny of Man" (by an author I can't presently remember the name of for more on that...and a great, mind blowing read it is too!) ..and from what I understand there has been an exemplary Archetype born every apprx 26, 640 years since apprx 224,000 years ago...which btw, for those of you that may not have read my few posts on that subject it is also the apprx time of a completion of 108 orbits of Pluto around the Sun, and know that there are 108 beads on a Hindu mala, the model of the process of transformation used to count the repetitions of the mantra one is using for their own "transformation" and the Roman Catholics use a Rosary of 54 beads... (is that a half effort? ...or do they do it twice?)
fyi according to what astrodienst is presently producing the position of the prenatal New Mon prior to Yeshu'a's birth was @ 28*
18' 09", the Full Moon the night after his birth was @ 12* 43' 07", and that of the postnatal New Moon's position was @ 27* 00' 23" (same Sign and degree as my natal Mercury)Of some curious note is that my nieces new born son (I have a thread about him in the natal forum) his prenatal New Moon Part of Hyleg is 25*
26' 11', Full Moon (prenatal and traditional) Part of Hyleg is @ 11* 01' 51" and for the postnatal Hylegesque like part it is 25* 23' 44" ...all three strangely shadowing the location of the three event Moons involved in the Hylegs during the time of Yeshu'a's birth...which comes to add to my suspicion that his quite unusual birth circumstances and not to mention that his DNA is over 99% all from his mother, my niece, and Clarisse's prediction that He too will grow up to study what astrological legacy I and those that will follow me will leave and will so also expand upon that knowledge and carry it further into the future.
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