Should the Current Practice of Killing Animals For Food be Legally Considered as "Murder"?

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A lot of trouble for naught! In summary, the euthanasia program in Canada has some real problems that need to be addressed, especially regarding Indigenous people.
David, this site may be of interest:
 
The very act of living requires taking lives. Plants are living creatures. You think a carrot wants to be yanked out of the ground?

Is its thoughtless termination based upon a carrot's not being cute, fuzzy, vocal, or anthropomorphized?

It's been known for some time that drought-stricken or cut cultivated plants emit clicking and popping noises that simply aren't audible to human ears, but they are audible to sensitive creatures like bats/

Pull a carrot out of the ground and as its leaves wilt, that's a stressed-out carrot.

Carrots will stay alive in your fridge for a long time. If you cut off an inch or so of a carrot top and put it in a shallow dish of water by a sunny window, it will resprout leaves.

Greenhouse owners found that plants thrived with classical music, but not with hard rock.

Pulling a carrot out of the ground usually isn't easy. That carrot wants to stay put, to flower, and set seeds.

Pigs, BTW became popular barnyard animals because they eat most types of food waste, The old farmers said that they used every part of the pig but the squeal: hence blood sausage. City folk would rather their food waste gets trucked out to the landfill to serve no beneficial purpose. Check out your local landfill, gentle reader.

As Barry Commoner wrote in the 1960s, "Everything must go somewhere," Do you know where your household waste goes?
 
The very act of living requires taking lives. Plants are living creatures. You think a carrot wants to be yanked out of the ground?

Is its thoughtless termination based upon a carrot's not being cute, fuzzy, vocal, or anthropomorphized?

It's been known for some time that drought-stricken or cut cultivated plants emit clicking and popping noises that simply aren't audible to human ears, but they are audible to sensitive creatures like bats/

Pull a carrot out of the ground and as its leaves wilt, that's a stressed-out carrot.

Carrots will stay alive in your fridge for a long time. If you cut off an inch or so of a carrot top and put it in a shallow dish of water by a sunny window, it will resprout leaves.

Greenhouse owners found that plants thrived with classical music, but not with hard rock.

Pulling a carrot out of the ground usually isn't easy. That carrot wants to stay put, to flower, and set seeds.

Pigs, BTW became popular barnyard animals because they eat most types of food waste, The old farmers said that they used every part of the pig but the squeal: hence blood sausage. City folk would rather their food waste gets trucked out to the landfill to serve no beneficial purpose. Check out your local landfill, gentle reader.

As Barry Commoner wrote in the 1960s, "Everything must go somewhere," Do you know where your household waste goes?
Our area has small food-waste containers that are for composting separately from the trash and recycles.

Eat that which is LEAST like your own body - are you animal, vegetable, or mineral? Cannibalism is off the table!

Is there a type of living vegetable that devours other living vegetables?

There is a plant that eats flies, called the "Venus fly-trap".
 
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Ah, sorry to hear you have food sensitivities. It looks like you have to carefully research everything you eat, and that probably makes more attuned to the ethics of what you're choosing since you know where it comes from and have a lot of limits. It's good that you're feeling healthier these days and managing to find food that doesn't make you sick, though.

I admittedly don't know much about skin care, but I do know about the konjac sponge because I'm kind of a nerd about Japanese culture. It seems like some Japanese people use them a lot where we would use a plastic loofah. Supposedly they're really good for removing blackheads.

Yeah, I was a vegetarian for year and years before I became a vegan, and I really only switched because I tried vegan milk one day, loved it, and then realised it solved most of my IBS issues too, so I was lactose intolerant.

It’s like I had this huge instinctive need to be a vegetarian when I was 9, even before that, but I was 9 when my Mum gave in and said, ‘ok, she’s a vegetarian.’ And then I will be really honest and say, that not eating meat became so normal to me, and I didn’t even have to think about it, and I didn’t think much about animal welfare or the reason why, I just didn’t eat meat.

In that respect, I think I can understand people’s reluctance to stop eating meat, because a huge part of it will just be the convenience, the conditioning that normalises it. It’s a habit and food is something most people don’t think about. And then you’ve got the corporate companies selling lies about free-range, organic and humane slaughter’s, to help keep you locked in this delusion, even though every single animal is still either stabbed in the throat, shot in the head or gassed to death, whether they lived for a short time in a factory or a field or not.

It was only during my ‘renaissance,’ that I actually began to open my eyes to the hidden world of animal cruelty that holds up our way of living. It never even dawned on me about ‘cruelty-free’ products or makeup, and now, it is something I am keenly aware of. I find genuinely upsetting to think of all those monkeys kidnapped from their natural habitats, or the poor Beagle puppies, cats, rabbits, horses, that are experimented on, and I find it really difficult to even begin to understand how an animal copes with that kind of life.

But, again, it was a process for me. Even as a vegetarian since 9, it took me a good year of being a vegan food-wise, to begin to look at my other choices. Most of my food is organic, I buy cruelty free only products. And even buying jeans - most jeans have a leather label on them in the back, and only certain companies don’t.

The latest thing I have been making changes with, is I am going to begin to buy organic cotton or bamboo clothing. Most high street fashion is made from polyester, which is a fabric made from plastic that takes years to disintegrate. But, the only reason why I started thinking about that, is because I have started to get panic attacks when I am outside, and wearing breathable clothing is just one more thing to help with that.

Anyway, the point is, it’s normal to feel disconnected from the cruelty that exists. It’s a process. I guess the main message that I want to get across to people on this thread, that if you are against animal cruelty, then you are already a Vegan by nature, and it’s just about taking that first step.

To answer your question, it has definitely been a mixture of caring about animals, but also my particular set of circumstances, that led me to feel strongly about veganism. We are all victims of the hidden dystopia that crops up our world. The motivation would initially be a compassion for animal welfare and a desire to think outside of the box, so that our morals align with our actions. It’s a process.
 
When the universe gives you signs that you need to wake up and start living in your heart consciousness, and you continuously choose to ignore it, preferring to live in a selfish delusion, you pay for at your own peril…

’Lurpak, Cravendale, Tesco... even Starbucks: Full list of Bovaer 'contaminated' products customers are boycotting due to 'cancer-causing' cow feed additive.’
 
Our area has small food-waste containers that are for composting separately from the trash and recycles.

Eat that which is LEAST like your own body - are you animal, vegetable, or mineral? Cannibalism is off the table!

Is there a type of living vegetable that devours other living vegetables?

There is a plant that eats flies, called the "Venus fly-trap".
Certainly there are edible plants that grow on and feed off other plants: certain species of wild mushrooms. Wild lobster mushrooms (named for their bright orange color) are delicious and are parasites on other fungi. Many beautiful wild species of orchid never touch the ground but grow on trees. "Devour" is too strong a word for plants growing on host plants, but then vegetarians don't devour the chicken-- they just eat the eggs.

Frankly I'm not much like a clam or a scallop.
 
UKpoohbear wrote:

"Anyway, the point is, it’s normal to feel disconnected from the cruelty that exists. It’s a process. I guess the main message that I want to get across to people on this thread, that if you are against animal cruelty, then you are already a Vegan by nature, and it’s just about taking that first step."

I can be an omnivore and disconnect from that cruelty without being a vegan. It is difficult for city folk to disconnect from factory farming, but not impossible. It may take effort to locate individual food producers who meet one's ethical standards, but it isn't impossible. In rural areas, people will often raise their own sheep or steer for the freezer, or buy it from a neighbor who does, Urban backyard chickens are becoming more popular, so people don't have to be farmers to raise them. These people have complete control over how their animals' lives end,

Everything that lives is going to die eventually. Veterinarians perform euthanasia on suffering family pets because keeping them alive is a worse form of cruelty. When I've given up beloved dogs in this fashion, the death was by injection and I was able to hold the dogs until they passed.

Unless vegans are complete pacifists, opposed to the death penalty, and working to prevent gun violence, I just see a lot of contradiction in condemning livestock death but not more cruel and devastating forms of human death,
 
The public are beginning to wake up to the tricks of these corporate, murderous companies - who don’t care about your health, but who care only about their wealth and reputation.

YOU also have an INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY to be karmically responsible - if you have the choice between taking a life or saving a life, which one will YOU choose?

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But couldn't we all just go back to eating dogs and cats, who are less farty?
 
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Even in small, family run slaughter houses, there has been cases of undercover footage recording the animals being slapped, beaten and kicked.

Not to mention that any farmed animal, whether supposedly free-range or organic, is still shot in the head, stabbed in to throat or gassed to death, in order to murder them anyway.

This is because there is no such thing as a humane slaughter - because the animal did not want to die.

If you are against animal cruelty, eat plants instead.
 
‘EXCLUSIVE: Horrific truth of free range eggs laid bare - and the reality is heartbreaking’

 
‘Are small, local slaughterhouses more humane?

Something we hear often, is that the best thing to do if you are concerned about the welfare of animals, is to only buy meat from local sources, where animals are slaughtered in smaller numbers, closer to where they were bred.

The Local Meat Co, is one of the smallest that we have investigated, primarily servicing the local community of Sheffield, Tasmania. It is owned by 2024 Tasmanian of the year, Steph Trethewey, and her husband Sam, who operate a ‘beef’ farm in the local area.

Operating only two days a week, The Local Meat Co kills cows, sheep and pigs. Cows are shot with a rifle to immoblise them before their throats are slit, while sheep and pigs are paralysed using electrical stunning.

In September 2023, we installed cameras over the race and knockbox at the facility, this is what we found...’

A look at locally sourced small-scale slaughter

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